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 Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:38 am
so on obscursu's advice ive created this topic here...there are different kits you should take with you according to how long your going to go away for...and if you are "never coming home" then you need a kit that will sustain that.
first of all i think that everyone should own a bow. everyone. thats one of the first preperations you should make the bow should preferably be at the very least about 40-50 pounds force to kill large animals such as deer...www.paleoplanet.net is a website that has tons of advice and how tos of how to make bows,harpoons,spears etc on the website you can also buy decent bows and other stuff in the trading section... another thing to consider is to perhaps have a pistol crossbow...because if you end up going many days without being able to eat then you will likely not be able to pull a bow....so then that rabbit/racoon/cat or whatever will not end up in your stomach. also you can position yourself much more comfortably.
if you have firearms then thats a no brainer, bring them with you [but dont be too laden down]
i am not sure if people should bother with explosives or make their own black powder....if you can hide/bury it well then it could be considered...when hannibal [the ancient general, enemy of the romans] crossed the alps with his troops he came across large rocks blocking the path, he threw vinegar over the rocks and set light to it....apparently this destroyed the rocks...so once youve set up your cave/forest hide out you could consider stealing some vinegar. apprently white/cider vinegar has some medicinal properties, but you shouldnt bring it with you as its not worth it,
a grappling hook could be considered if you live in an urban or mountainous enviroment....
so here is the must haves and considerations:
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brass wire/thin line for trap making
a ranged weapon: a bow or a catapult/slingshot [but sling shots have a relatively limited life because the rubber will eventually fail] or fire arms or a crossbow no more than 2 ranged weapon should be carried, reusable and varied ammunition is essential for the woods/forests etc...but firearms especially useful if up against human opponents
a couple of knives, no more than 2 or 3, good strong combat/all rounder knife an absolute necessity and if you can get a good sword/kukiri [preferably handmade] anywere then you should take that with you as it will be invaluable if you enounter hostile people/wild boar/bears/violent dogs/wolves etc...
you must have good boots [preferably leather combat/work boots as i feel that hiking boots are a liability due to personal experience because of glue failure at tips of shoes and your feet heat up far too quickly causing burns etc] if the shoes are leather make sure they are well maintained with animal fat or shoe polish.
this here list is incredibly limited and i have not even scratched the surface...i would invite everyone to come and reply.
also i have a question...a lot of the military trousers [pants] ive looked at have a fabric content of usually something like 50% cotton 50% polyester so if fire were to get near your pants would they melt onto your legs or would they be set alight?
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:40 pm
In my experience you need three main things to survive comfortably:
1. A good knife. It doesn't have to be a huge knife but it needs to be sharp.
2. A way to start fire, preferably with damp tinder. Magnesium and synthetic flint combos are cheap and easy to use.
3. Something to boil water in.
Gear is not as important as knowledge. If you have no idea what you're doing then all the gear in the world will not save you. Learn as much as you can about survival and actually practice it. Practice starting fire with friction methods, learn about and look for edible plants to try, learn how to track animals and practice it. You see where I'm going with this.
As to military trousers, you can get some 100% cotton but the military surplus that I've seen has been 50/50 cotton/polyester. Unless you set fire to it I don't suspect it will melt. If that's the case then the cotton is going to go up like tinder anyway.
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:39 am
Obscurus In my experience you need three main things to survive comfortably: 1. A good knife. It doesn't have to be a huge knife but it needs to be sharp. 2. A way to start fire, preferably with damp tinder. Magnesium and synthetic flint combos are cheap and easy to use. 3. Something to boil water in. Gear is not as important as knowledge. If you have no idea what you're doing then all the gear in the world will not save you. Learn as much as you can about survival and actually practice it. Practice starting fire with friction methods, learn about and look for edible plants to try, learn how to track animals and practice it. You see where I'm going with this. As to military trousers, you can get some 100% cotton but the military surplus that I've seen has been 50/50 cotton/polyester. Unless you set fire to it I don't suspect it will melt. If that's the case then the cotton is going to go up like tinder anyway. have you checked out sean kennedy yet? also what do you think about grappling hooks etc...?
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:26 pm
cute manga guy 35 Obscurus In my experience you need three main things to survive comfortably: 1. A good knife. It doesn't have to be a huge knife but it needs to be sharp. 2. A way to start fire, preferably with damp tinder. Magnesium and synthetic flint combos are cheap and easy to use. 3. Something to boil water in. Gear is not as important as knowledge. If you have no idea what you're doing then all the gear in the world will not save you. Learn as much as you can about survival and actually practice it. Practice starting fire with friction methods, learn about and look for edible plants to try, learn how to track animals and practice it. You see where I'm going with this. As to military trousers, you can get some 100% cotton but the military surplus that I've seen has been 50/50 cotton/polyester. Unless you set fire to it I don't suspect it will melt. If that's the case then the cotton is going to go up like tinder anyway. have you checked out sean kennedy yet? also what do you think about grappling hooks etc...? I've listened to a couple of rants of Sean Kennedy's so far and I have to say that I like what he has to say. I don't know if I agree with everything, but I haven't found myself disagreeing with much of what he says. I think that grappling hooks might be useful in an urban survival scenario in the aftermath of civil unrest or disaster. I've used a grappling hook in a forested setting and it's definitely useful for climbing, but you have to weigh how dangerous it is to fall with whatever reason you have for climbing. I was training and found it an acceptable risk. In a post-apocalyptic world with no healthcare I may find that it's not acceptable anymore. This said, I have several feet of rope and a hook in my bag of gear next to my hatchet, prybar, and collapsible shovel. This is not my everyday hiking kit, but it's what I'm going to grab if the s**t hits because it has my heavy cumbersome gear that's going to be useful in the long term but not necessarily in the short term (that stuff is in a smaller, lighter kit). I live in a major metro area so my prime directive is get the ******** out of the city when something big goes down. Ideally I wouldn't be lugging all of this gear around on a 500 mile hike back to the Appalachian foothills I hail from (where I know I can survive and evade for an extremely extended period of time) but if that's the case it's not so much gear that it would severely hinder me.
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:27 am
Obscurus In my experience you need three main things to survive comfortably: 1. A good knife. It doesn't have to be a huge knife but it needs to be sharp. 2. A way to start fire, preferably with damp tinder. Magnesium and synthetic flint combos are cheap and easy to use. 3. Something to boil water in. Gear is not as important as knowledge. If you have no idea what you're doing then all the gear in the world will not save you. Learn as much as you can about survival and actually practice it. Practice starting fire with friction methods, learn about and look for edible plants to try, learn how to track animals and practice it. You see where I'm going with this. As to military trousers, you can get some 100% cotton but the military surplus that I've seen has been 50/50 cotton/polyester. Unless you set fire to it I don't suspect it will melt. If that's the case then the cotton is going to go up like tinder anyway. Don't forget a blanket. You don't want to freeze to death.
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:27 am
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:24 pm
Clover_IceQueen Obscurus In my experience you need three main things to survive comfortably: 1. A good knife. It doesn't have to be a huge knife but it needs to be sharp. 2. A way to start fire, preferably with damp tinder. Magnesium and synthetic flint combos are cheap and easy to use. 3. Something to boil water in. Gear is not as important as knowledge. If you have no idea what you're doing then all the gear in the world will not save you. Learn as much as you can about survival and actually practice it. Practice starting fire with friction methods, learn about and look for edible plants to try, learn how to track animals and practice it. You see where I'm going with this. As to military trousers, you can get some 100% cotton but the military surplus that I've seen has been 50/50 cotton/polyester. Unless you set fire to it I don't suspect it will melt. If that's the case then the cotton is going to go up like tinder anyway. Don't forget a blanket. You don't want to freeze to death. If you've got one or can carry one then by all means. If not then the fire starter and knife will do the same job with a little elbow grease. My list is what I consider the bare minimum. My pack contains a mylar blanket for emergencies because I'm not some Rambo trying to prove how tough he is.
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:32 am
you want metal currency, in different denominations and metallic values. I was at an army surplus recently, they were pretty excited at the idea of trading goods for gold or silver, particularly the latter one.
Silver is probably the best metal to "have" and gold is the best metal to "carry". Mainly because silver is incredibly useful (mirrors, silver ware, dental, electrical conductor, sterile, etc.) and gold is incredibly light and compact per dollar of value. A single dime can be worth as much as $200, and a roll of a dimes you can put in your pocket or use to punch people in the face is worth $10,000. I have reason to believe silver arrow heads in broadhead form would make excellent arrows, because while they won't hold an edge for long, the added density is ideal for an arrow that only has to hit once. You could always melt down or reshape and sharpen the arrow heads when you are done cleaning the animal. If you are confused about converting the numbers, 1 ounce of silver equals 2 to 3 arrow heads, so a morgan is at least one big arrow, or two light ones, while a kennedy half dollar is one heavy arrowhead of 192 grains. You'll find that quality arrow heads cost a lot as it is, so the argument that such would be wasted is simply not true.
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:05 am
Michael Noire you want metal currency, in different denominations and metallic values. I was at an army surplus recently, they were pretty excited at the idea of trading goods for gold or silver, particularly the latter one. Silver is probably the best metal to "have" and gold is the best metal to "carry". Mainly because silver is incredibly useful (mirrors, silver ware, dental, electrical conductor, sterile, etc.) and gold is incredibly light and compact per dollar of value. A single dime can be worth as much as $200, and a roll of a dimes you can put in your pocket or use to punch people in the face is worth $10,000. I have reason to believe silver arrow heads in broadhead form would make excellent arrows, because while they won't hold an edge for long, the added density is ideal for an arrow that only has to hit once. You could always melt down or reshape and sharpen the arrow heads when you are done cleaning the animal. If you are confused about converting the numbers, 1 ounce of silver equals 2 to 3 arrow heads, so a morgan is at least one big arrow, or two light ones, while a kennedy half dollar is one heavy arrowhead of 192 grains. You'll find that quality arrow heads cost a lot as it is, so the argument that such would be wasted is simply not true. at my local market in the town i live there is a man who sells cheap metal...he has steel sheets that are laser cut and cost £1 [about $2] each the sheets are 3mm thick by about 1 foot by 10 inches...i can easily get 20 brodhead arrows out of that. but im hoping to get a bunsen burner [or some sort of blowtorch] along with some charcoal powder so that i can case harden the heads...[because atm they are only mild steel] ive also made shurikens out of the same material [both the ninja star and samurai single/double point types] to make 1 shuriken costs me 30p [less than a dollar, 100p being £1]
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:09 am
Obscurus Clover_IceQueen Obscurus In my experience you need three main things to survive comfortably: 1. A good knife. It doesn't have to be a huge knife but it needs to be sharp. 2. A way to start fire, preferably with damp tinder. Magnesium and synthetic flint combos are cheap and easy to use. 3. Something to boil water in. Gear is not as important as knowledge. If you have no idea what you're doing then all the gear in the world will not save you. Learn as much as you can about survival and actually practice it. Practice starting fire with friction methods, learn about and look for edible plants to try, learn how to track animals and practice it. You see where I'm going with this. As to military trousers, you can get some 100% cotton but the military surplus that I've seen has been 50/50 cotton/polyester. Unless you set fire to it I don't suspect it will melt. If that's the case then the cotton is going to go up like tinder anyway. Don't forget a blanket. You don't want to freeze to death. If you've got one or can carry one then by all means. If not then the fire starter and knife will do the same job with a little elbow grease. My list is what I consider the bare minimum. My pack contains a mylar blanket for emergencies because I'm not some Rambo trying to prove how tough he is. do you have any idea whats happened to truthermei? i mailed her not so long ago about what could be done to increase activity here on the forum but she never replyed...i know that on the forums here she posted that she had a fiancee so is she just busy with married life/children? what the bloody hell is goping on?
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:19 pm
Mei has had some IRL stuff going on for a while. I don't really know specifics, just that she works a lot and doesn't have that much time for Gaia anymore.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:25 pm
bow hunting is sick stuff, I just read a magazine with a guy who took out a 12 ft gator with a bow and arrow. I've seen photos of moose kills and even elephant kills with bows. If you put these animals on a table and have the types of bows used listed next to them, you can match them up to rifles used for the same game, and you'll be quite shocked. Bows are way "badasser" (to quote the katana chick from walking dead) than most guns.
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:06 pm
I agree with the bow, but if you know you're going to use a bow you need to make sure you know how to use it. Just like with any other weapon. So the same with the pistol.
And when it comes to weather, the proper clothing makes a surprising difference, and also a shelter, even if its not that great. Its like when its really cold outside, once I get into an enclosed space, even when its still technically outside, there's a significant change in temperature that I can notice immediately.
Without knowledge you might not get anywhere, really. I'm not sure I could survive very long because all I know about survival is from survival shows, Which i'm sure helped a little but I've still had no practical experience.
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:54 am
Obscurus Clover_IceQueen Obscurus In my experience you need three main things to survive comfortably: 1. A good knife. It doesn't have to be a huge knife but it needs to be sharp. 2. A way to start fire, preferably with damp tinder. Magnesium and synthetic flint combos are cheap and easy to use. 3. Something to boil water in. Gear is not as important as knowledge. If you have no idea what you're doing then all the gear in the world will not save you. Learn as much as you can about survival and actually practice it. Practice starting fire with friction methods, learn about and look for edible plants to try, learn how to track animals and practice it. You see where I'm going with this. As to military trousers, you can get some 100% cotton but the military surplus that I've seen has been 50/50 cotton/polyester. Unless you set fire to it I don't suspect it will melt. If that's the case then the cotton is going to go up like tinder anyway. Don't forget a blanket. You don't want to freeze to death. If you've got one or can carry one then by all means. If not then the fire starter and knife will do the same job with a little elbow grease. My list is what I consider the bare minimum. My pack contains a mylar blanket for emergencies because I'm not some Rambo trying to prove how tough he is. lets talk about blowguns....what is the best, most powerful thing you can use? i was reading a thing on paleoplanet about a man who used electrical conduit with tungsten welding rod as the darts with foam superglued onto them [if you go on to paleoplanet.net its under the topic blowgun help] im trying to make on myself going to use bamboo [dont know how thick to make it] some people use bamboo skewers as darts but ive came across 2mm steel needles that are about 6 inches long [at least] and the points on those are far sharper and they dont deteriorate so if im making darts i should just use those steel needles right? or should i go for the tungsten welding rod? also what about poisons? id want to use something that either paralyzes or weakens anything up to the size of a horse but it would need an antidote what do you suggest?
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:45 am
cute manga guy 35 Obscurus Clover_IceQueen Obscurus In my experience you need three main things to survive comfortably: 1. A good knife. It doesn't have to be a huge knife but it needs to be sharp. 2. A way to start fire, preferably with damp tinder. Magnesium and synthetic flint combos are cheap and easy to use. 3. Something to boil water in. Gear is not as important as knowledge. If you have no idea what you're doing then all the gear in the world will not save you. Learn as much as you can about survival and actually practice it. Practice starting fire with friction methods, learn about and look for edible plants to try, learn how to track animals and practice it. You see where I'm going with this. As to military trousers, you can get some 100% cotton but the military surplus that I've seen has been 50/50 cotton/polyester. Unless you set fire to it I don't suspect it will melt. If that's the case then the cotton is going to go up like tinder anyway. Don't forget a blanket. You don't want to freeze to death. If you've got one or can carry one then by all means. If not then the fire starter and knife will do the same job with a little elbow grease. My list is what I consider the bare minimum. My pack contains a mylar blanket for emergencies because I'm not some Rambo trying to prove how tough he is. lets talk about blowguns....what is the best, most powerful thing you can use? i was reading a thing on paleoplanet about a man who used electrical conduit with tungsten welding rod as the darts with foam superglued onto them [if you go on to paleoplanet.net its under the topic blowgun help] im trying to make on myself going to use bamboo [dont know how thick to make it] some people use bamboo skewers as darts but ive came across 2mm steel needles that are about 6 inches long [at least] and the points on those are far sharper and they dont deteriorate so if im making darts i should just use those steel needles right? or should i go for the tungsten welding rod? also what about poisons? id want to use something that either paralyzes or weakens anything up to the size of a horse but it would need an antidote what do you suggest? I've made a blowgun out of an aluminum arrow before. I made the darts out of quilting pins and cotton with some tape. It wasn't particularly powerful but it was impressive for the scale (a little over two feet in length). I would consider the characteristics of the dart material. The needles are probably going to be lighter so they'll go farther and faster. The tungsten rods are probably going to be heavier and hit with more force. It really sort of depends on what you're trying to do with the darts in my opinion. As to poisons, my knowledge of that extends to poisoning fish to make them easier to collect as food. I have no practical knowledge of human poisons and antidotes, just foods/animals to avoid that are poisonous.
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