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 Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:51 pm
I don't plan to band crap but I just heard of it today and I'm ..sort of interested.
I just can't find how it works. I know you're supposed to put a band on the scrotum and keep tightening it but what does that do, exactly? In my head it's telling me that it cuts off blood supply to kill the testicles. But my head is also telling me 'gangrene', or something like that...
Anyone with livestock have any info?
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:59 pm
it just cuts off the blood so they fall off eventually. my sister had the same thing happen to her snake's tail with stuck shed.
i find it pretty inhumane but i understand why ranchers do it rather than pay alot of money to get their animals fixed
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:00 pm
you get what is called an elasterator, (or something close to that, I dont know exactly how its spelled) and you get these special rubber bands, they are like this (_______) big, and this thick (__) and the hole is only about this big (__) and you slip it onto the elasterator and when you use it, the thing stretches the bands out really big, and you put the testicles in there, usually you spray some disinfectant, you dont HAVE to, the one time I banded an animal, I didnt, what you have to worry about is Tetanus, so usually as long as they have had their tetanus shot they are ok, and it takes a few days to a while longer (they cant really feel it after the first few hours and it doesnt really bother them much) the testicles first shrivel up, then they fall off, they do that with tails to on lambs
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:14 pm
Cowgirl-with-heart you get what is called an elasterator, (or something close to that, I dont know exactly how its spelled) and you get these special rubber bands, they are like this (_______) big, and this thick (__) and the hole is only about this big (__) and you slip it onto the elasterator and when you use it, the thing stretches the bands out really big, and you put the testicles in there, usually you spray some disinfectant, you dont HAVE to, the one time I banded an animal, I didnt, what you have to worry about is Tetanus, so usually as long as they have had their tetanus shot they are ok, and it takes a few days to a while longer (they cant really feel it after the first few hours and it doesnt really bother them much) the testicles first shrivel up, then they fall off, they do that with tails to on lambs Ugh D: Something just seems dangerous about that, somehow. I mean I'm not knocking you for doing it, it just confuses me.
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:27 pm
iDiru Cowgirl-with-heart you get what is called an elasterator, (or something close to that, I dont know exactly how its spelled) and you get these special rubber bands, they are like this (_______) big, and this thick (__) and the hole is only about this big (__) and you slip it onto the elasterator and when you use it, the thing stretches the bands out really big, and you put the testicles in there, usually you spray some disinfectant, you dont HAVE to, the one time I banded an animal, I didnt, what you have to worry about is Tetanus, so usually as long as they have had their tetanus shot they are ok, and it takes a few days to a while longer (they cant really feel it after the first few hours and it doesnt really bother them much) the testicles first shrivel up, then they fall off, they do that with tails to on lambs Ugh D: Something just seems dangerous about that, somehow. I mean I'm not knocking you for doing it, it just confuses me. I think I used to think it was horrible, but when you actually SEE it, and get involved, its not really as bad as it sounds, and I think its better than the alternative, since it is used mostly by large farms, it must not be too dangerous, or they wouldnt use it, they NEED those animals to make money
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:14 pm
I used to do that with my goats every year. As long as they've had their vaccines it's perfectly safe. It's actually safer then cutting them as timing wise that's when the flies are the worst and risk of infection from flies in the wound are much higher then banding. There's also the Emasculator which crushes the blood vessels and vas defrens. Then the testicles just shrivel up inside the scrotum.
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:04 pm
This is very related and interesting: http://www.ted.com/talks/mike_rowe_celebrates_dirty_jobs.htmlIt's Mike Rowe from Dirty Jobs recounting his experience at a sheep ranch and the "art" of castration... by mouth. It discusses the ASPCA and PETA's guidelines on the band and the differences he noticed between the two procedures.
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:44 pm
Ailinea This is very related and interesting: http://www.ted.com/talks/mike_rowe_celebrates_dirty_jobs.htmlIt's Mike Rowe from Dirty Jobs recounting his experience at a sheep ranch and the "art" of castration... by mouth. It discusses the ASPCA and PETA's guidelines on the band and the differences he noticed between the two procedures. Thank you, THANK YOU for this. Because, honestly, working at Thanksgiving Point this sounds so spot on it make me want to scream. Our "petting zoo" as it is sometimes called is really not. It is a working farm. And there are a few animals that get fixed by the vet... but the rest get done, on location, by our farm workers. And, with all due respect to those in the farming livelihood (I know you do what you do because you have to do it that way. And Shearaha and Cowgirl, PLEASE do not take offense.), I have seen lambs and kids while they are being banded and they ARE in pain. Same goes for the banding method of dehorning. Oh don't even start me on that. They are in pain, and I do not agree with it. I understand sometimes that is the way it has to be done. But if I have control of the situation, I am against these methods with out pain control. And the fact is, farms do not give pain control. Because it is expensive. But I hurt a lot with my kids that I work with because "production animals" do NOT get the ethical, humane care that pets do. And yeah, I dated a deep country Utah sheepherder and he did castrate by biting them off. I think they ought to have pain control for THAT too... but I think Mike Rowe is right in preferring that to banding. The way vets do it... way kinder. I have seen that done, too, in my vet tech classes that I am now out of. And my goat kids will be anesthetized when I have them, if I have to do it myself. Oh, and I also prefer the Emasculator to Banding. Still OUCH but better.
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:25 pm
Kipluck Ailinea This is very related and interesting: http://www.ted.com/talks/mike_rowe_celebrates_dirty_jobs.htmlIt's Mike Rowe from Dirty Jobs recounting his experience at a sheep ranch and the "art" of castration... by mouth. It discusses the ASPCA and PETA's guidelines on the band and the differences he noticed between the two procedures. Thank you, THANK YOU for this. Because, honestly, working at Thanksgiving Point this sounds so spot on it make me want to scream. Our "petting zoo" as it is sometimes called is really not. It is a working farm. And there are a few animals that get fixed by the vet... but the rest get done, on location, by our farm workers. And, with all due respect to those in the farming livelihood (I know you do what you do because you have to do it that way. And Shearaha and Cowgirl, PLEASE do not take offense.), I have seen lambs and kids while they are being banded and they ARE in pain. Same goes for the banding method of dehorning. Oh don't even start me on that. They are in pain, and I do not agree with it. I understand sometimes that is the way it has to be done. But if I have control of the situation, I am against these methods with out pain control. And the fact is, farms do not give pain control. Because it is expensive. But I hurt a lot with my kids that I work with because "production animals" do NOT get the ethical, humane care that pets do. And yeah, I dated a deep country Utah sheepherder and he did castrate by biting them off. I think they ought to have pain control for THAT too... but I think Mike Rowe is right in preferring that to banding. The way vets do it... way kinder. I have seen that done, too, in my vet tech classes that I am now out of. And my goat kids will be anesthetized when I have them, if I have to do it myself. Oh, and I also prefer the Emasculator to Banding. Still OUCH but better. No offense taken. That's why I always kept a bottle ready. As soon as we banded I'd put the bottle in-front of their face. By the time they were done with the bottle the pain part was over and they acted like normal. Burning horns hurts too, but that's why I've taken to putting a topical analgesic on after wards. And same as with the banding bottle in the face as soon as their done. Never had one refuse that bottle.
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