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 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:38 am
Well, it was bound to come up. So, I made a new thread for the discussion of the problem.
Why is it that no religion seems to be able to get beyond fighting over the little stupid differences and notice the big stupid similaritties?
Play nice, this can be a touchy one.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:15 pm
i think its because what people are taught when growing up like i use to live in the bible belt and when people found out im wiccan the told there kids that i was a devil worshiper and all kinds of crap i even had some kids throw stuff at me but i dont live there any more i think hate breeds hate but thats just my opinion
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:25 pm
the dragon craft i think its because what people are taught when growing up like i use to live in the bible belt and when people found out im wiccan the told there kids that i was a devil worshiper and all kinds of crap i even had some kids throw stuff at me but i dont live there any more i think hate breeds hate but thats just my opinion I can forgive getting bad info. What annoys me is when people don't want to learn because their minds are already made up. I mean if all I ever heard about Chritianity was "drink of my blood, eat of my flesh and gain eternal life" I might think it was some kind of wierd vampire cult. And I think most Christians would want to set me straight on my error, and who could blame them? Why aren't peole willing to listen? Are they afraid they might learn the truth? confused
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:33 pm
The plain and simple fact about the different religions and their denominations, sects, traditions, whatever you want to call them is that they all think they're right. Well most of them. Each and every one of them think they are the holders of absolute truth. It really just boils down to human nature.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:03 pm
vwytche the dragon craft i think its because what people are taught when growing up like i use to live in the bible belt and when people found out im wiccan the told there kids that i was a devil worshiper and all kinds of crap i even had some kids throw stuff at me but i dont live there any more i think hate breeds hate but thats just my opinion I can forgive getting bad info. What annoys me is when people don't want to learn because their minds are already made up. I mean if all I ever heard about Chritianity was "drink of my blood, eat of my flesh and gain eternal life" I might think it was some kind of wierd vampire cult. And I think most Christians would want to set me straight on my error, and who could blame them? Why aren't peole willing to listen? Are they afraid they might learn the truth? confused people fear what they dont understand
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:23 pm
Ravynne Sidhe The plain and simple fact about the different religions and their denominations, sects, traditions, whatever you want to call them is that they all think they're right. Well most of them. Each and every one of them think they are the holders of absolute truth. It really just boils down to human nature. I just don't get why such a big deal gets made out of sprinkling vs imersion, and wine vs grape juice, and Hebrew vs English ect. It seems like such a small thing to make war with brethren about considering the profound concept religion deals with. I just don't get it. sad
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:00 pm
vwytche Ravynne Sidhe The plain and simple fact about the different religions and their denominations, sects, traditions, whatever you want to call them is that they all think they're right. Well most of them. Each and every one of them think they are the holders of absolute truth. It really just boils down to human nature. I just don't get why such a big deal gets made out of sprinkling vs imersion, and wine vs grape juice, and Hebrew vs English ect. It seems like such a small thing to make war with brethren about considering the profound concept religion deals with. I just don't get it. sad Most people need the minute details to make it all seem more real, they focus on the details until the details are the only thing that exists. They can't see the big picture because the details are all they see. The small insignificant details become everything, once that happens if your small details aren't the same as theirs the must correct you. After all only one of you can be right, so one of you must be wrong and it certainly can't be them, so it must be you.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:02 pm
I myself, I don't worry about the details, I am free to feel and experience the world, my folk and my Gods any way and any time that suites myself and them. My best magic has been done while dancing.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:57 am
bearcatthorin vwytche Ravynne Sidhe The plain and simple fact about the different religions and their denominations, sects, traditions, whatever you want to call them is that they all think they're right. Well most of them. Each and every one of them think they are the holders of absolute truth. It really just boils down to human nature. I just don't get why such a big deal gets made out of sprinkling vs imersion, and wine vs grape juice, and Hebrew vs English ect. It seems like such a small thing to make war with brethren about considering the profound concept religion deals with. I just don't get it. sad Most people need the minute details to make it all seem more real, they focus on the details until the details are the only thing that exists. They can't see the big picture because the details are all they see. The small insignificant details become everything, once that happens if your small details aren't the same as theirs the must correct you. After all only one of you can be right, so one of you must be wrong and it certainly can't be them, so it must be you. For Wicca, the minute details is within what many people consider to be the "core". Every religion has some sort of core that they agree on and what makes certain sects apart of that religion. For Christianity it's Jesus. Buddhism it's the Buddha. Satanism it's Satan (whether he be an actual deity or an archtype for the human self). British Traditional Wiccans believe that the orthopraxic nature is the core. While many Solitary Wiccans believe that it's the belief in the Lord and Lady of the Isles, and other Solitaries believe it's the Wiccan Rede. While Solitaries may use the Outer Court knowledge and don't have access to the Inner Court of Wicca, they still practice the rituals in the same manner. So while a Solitary may not be initiated, they can still make oaths to the Lord and Lady, and the deities might reveal to be different deities according to the Charge of the God and Goddess. So really the bigger picture isn't what BTW considers orthopraxy or the Wiccan Rede, but it's the rituals themselves. That would be the actual core of Wicca, in which both BTW and Solitaries do.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:23 am
Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin vwytche Ravynne Sidhe The plain and simple fact about the different religions and their denominations, sects, traditions, whatever you want to call them is that they all think they're right. Well most of them. Each and every one of them think they are the holders of absolute truth. It really just boils down to human nature. I just don't get why such a big deal gets made out of sprinkling vs imersion, and wine vs grape juice, and Hebrew vs English ect. It seems like such a small thing to make war with brethren about considering the profound concept religion deals with. I just don't get it. sad Most people need the minute details to make it all seem more real, they focus on the details until the details are the only thing that exists. They can't see the big picture because the details are all they see. The small insignificant details become everything, once that happens if your small details aren't the same as theirs the must correct you. After all only one of you can be right, so one of you must be wrong and it certainly can't be them, so it must be you. For Wicca, the minute details is within what many people consider to be the "core". Every religion has some sort of core that they agree on and what makes certain sects apart of that religion. For Christianity it's Jesus. Buddhism it's the Buddha. Satanism it's Satan (whether he be an actual deity or an archtype for the human self). British Traditional Wiccans believe that the orthopraxic nature is the core. While many Solitary Wiccans believe that it's the belief in the Lord and Lady of the Isles, and other Solitaries believe it's the Wiccan Rede. While Solitaries may use the Outer Court knowledge and don't have access to the Inner Court of Wicca, they still practice the rituals in the same manner. So while a Solitary may not be initiated, they can still make oaths to the Lord and Lady, and the deities might reveal to be different deities according to the Charge of the God and Goddess. So really the bigger picture isn't what BTW considers orthopraxy or the Wiccan Rede, but it's the rituals themselves. That would be the actual core of Wicca, in which both BTW and Solitaries do. As I am not Wiccan I don't know to much about what you referred to but as I understand Christianity I will say this, While all Christians do have Jesus as the core of their religions the various denominations have a lot of small differences that keep them apart. In a small town in Florida population of a few thousand there are 69 churches because they just can't agree on minor points. Even the denominations can't agree, there is a Baptist, Southern Baptist and an Independent Baptist church all within a few miles of each other, all because they can't agree on small points. But maybe it's just the nature of the beast, people seem to love to argue. Us vs. them, we're right they're wrong.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:27 am
bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin vwytche Ravynne Sidhe The plain and simple fact about the different religions and their denominations, sects, traditions, whatever you want to call them is that they all think they're right. Well most of them. Each and every one of them think they are the holders of absolute truth. It really just boils down to human nature. I just don't get why such a big deal gets made out of sprinkling vs imersion, and wine vs grape juice, and Hebrew vs English ect. It seems like such a small thing to make war with brethren about considering the profound concept religion deals with. I just don't get it. sad Most people need the minute details to make it all seem more real, they focus on the details until the details are the only thing that exists. They can't see the big picture because the details are all they see. The small insignificant details become everything, once that happens if your small details aren't the same as theirs the must correct you. After all only one of you can be right, so one of you must be wrong and it certainly can't be them, so it must be you. For Wicca, the minute details is within what many people consider to be the "core". Every religion has some sort of core that they agree on and what makes certain sects apart of that religion. For Christianity it's Jesus. Buddhism it's the Buddha. Satanism it's Satan (whether he be an actual deity or an archtype for the human self). British Traditional Wiccans believe that the orthopraxic nature is the core. While many Solitary Wiccans believe that it's the belief in the Lord and Lady of the Isles, and other Solitaries believe it's the Wiccan Rede. While Solitaries may use the Outer Court knowledge and don't have access to the Inner Court of Wicca, they still practice the rituals in the same manner. So while a Solitary may not be initiated, they can still make oaths to the Lord and Lady, and the deities might reveal to be different deities according to the Charge of the God and Goddess. So really the bigger picture isn't what BTW considers orthopraxy or the Wiccan Rede, but it's the rituals themselves. That would be the actual core of Wicca, in which both BTW and Solitaries do. As I am not Wiccan I don't know to much about what you referred to but as I understand Christianity I will say this, While all Christians do have Jesus as the core of their religions the various denominations have a lot of small differences that keep them apart. In a small town in Florida population of a few thousand there are 69 churches because they just can't agree on minor points. Even the denominations can't agree, there is a Baptist, Southern Baptist and an Independent Baptist church all within a few miles of each other, all because they can't agree on small points. But maybe it's just the nature of the beast, people seem to love to argue. Us vs. them, we're right they're wrong. And even the various traditions within British Traditional Wicca have their own minute differences, but they all follow a core that they believe Gardner set up. And yeah, fighting is just apart of human nature :s
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:30 am
Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin vwytche Ravynne Sidhe The plain and simple fact about the different religions and their denominations, sects, traditions, whatever you want to call them is that they all think they're right. Well most of them. Each and every one of them think they are the holders of absolute truth. It really just boils down to human nature. I just don't get why such a big deal gets made out of sprinkling vs imersion, and wine vs grape juice, and Hebrew vs English ect. It seems like such a small thing to make war with brethren about considering the profound concept religion deals with. I just don't get it. sad Most people need the minute details to make it all seem more real, they focus on the details until the details are the only thing that exists. They can't see the big picture because the details are all they see. The small insignificant details become everything, once that happens if your small details aren't the same as theirs the must correct you. After all only one of you can be right, so one of you must be wrong and it certainly can't be them, so it must be you. For Wicca, the minute details is within what many people consider to be the "core". Every religion has some sort of core that they agree on and what makes certain sects apart of that religion. For Christianity it's Jesus. Buddhism it's the Buddha. Satanism it's Satan (whether he be an actual deity or an archtype for the human self). British Traditional Wiccans believe that the orthopraxic nature is the core. While many Solitary Wiccans believe that it's the belief in the Lord and Lady of the Isles, and other Solitaries believe it's the Wiccan Rede. While Solitaries may use the Outer Court knowledge and don't have access to the Inner Court of Wicca, they still practice the rituals in the same manner. So while a Solitary may not be initiated, they can still make oaths to the Lord and Lady, and the deities might reveal to be different deities according to the Charge of the God and Goddess. So really the bigger picture isn't what BTW considers orthopraxy or the Wiccan Rede, but it's the rituals themselves. That would be the actual core of Wicca, in which both BTW and Solitaries do. As I am not Wiccan I don't know to much about what you referred to but as I understand Christianity I will say this, While all Christians do have Jesus as the core of their religions the various denominations have a lot of small differences that keep them apart. In a small town in Florida population of a few thousand there are 69 churches because they just can't agree on minor points. Even the denominations can't agree, there is a Baptist, Southern Baptist and an Independent Baptist church all within a few miles of each other, all because they can't agree on small points. But maybe it's just the nature of the beast, people seem to love to argue. Us vs. them, we're right they're wrong. And even the various traditions within British Traditional Wicca have their own minute differences, but they all follow a core that they believe Gardner set up. And yeah, fighting is just apart of human nature :s This is a question, Can they (Wiccans) get together despite those differences?
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:40 am
bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Most people need the minute details to make it all seem more real, they focus on the details until the details are the only thing that exists. They can't see the big picture because the details are all they see. The small insignificant details become everything, once that happens if your small details aren't the same as theirs the must correct you. After all only one of you can be right, so one of you must be wrong and it certainly can't be them, so it must be you. For Wicca, the minute details is within what many people consider to be the "core". Every religion has some sort of core that they agree on and what makes certain sects apart of that religion. For Christianity it's Jesus. Buddhism it's the Buddha. Satanism it's Satan (whether he be an actual deity or an archtype for the human self). British Traditional Wiccans believe that the orthopraxic nature is the core. While many Solitary Wiccans believe that it's the belief in the Lord and Lady of the Isles, and other Solitaries believe it's the Wiccan Rede. While Solitaries may use the Outer Court knowledge and don't have access to the Inner Court of Wicca, they still practice the rituals in the same manner. So while a Solitary may not be initiated, they can still make oaths to the Lord and Lady, and the deities might reveal to be different deities according to the Charge of the God and Goddess. So really the bigger picture isn't what BTW considers orthopraxy or the Wiccan Rede, but it's the rituals themselves. That would be the actual core of Wicca, in which both BTW and Solitaries do. As I am not Wiccan I don't know to much about what you referred to but as I understand Christianity I will say this, While all Christians do have Jesus as the core of their religions the various denominations have a lot of small differences that keep them apart. In a small town in Florida population of a few thousand there are 69 churches because they just can't agree on minor points. Even the denominations can't agree, there is a Baptist, Southern Baptist and an Independent Baptist church all within a few miles of each other, all because they can't agree on small points. But maybe it's just the nature of the beast, people seem to love to argue. Us vs. them, we're right they're wrong. And even the various traditions within British Traditional Wicca have their own minute differences, but they all follow a core that they believe Gardner set up. And yeah, fighting is just apart of human nature :s This is a question, Can they (Wiccans) get together despite those differences? Depends on how far their elitist stick is shoved up their a**. In all seriousness, it depends on the BTW themselves. I have met a few British Traditional Wiccans that are absolutely fine with solitaries. What we normally see on Gaia isn't the same for all the internet communities out there. There are some who are elitist, but that seems to be the extreme minority.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:45 am
Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Most people need the minute details to make it all seem more real, they focus on the details until the details are the only thing that exists. They can't see the big picture because the details are all they see. The small insignificant details become everything, once that happens if your small details aren't the same as theirs the must correct you. After all only one of you can be right, so one of you must be wrong and it certainly can't be them, so it must be you. For Wicca, the minute details is within what many people consider to be the "core". Every religion has some sort of core that they agree on and what makes certain sects apart of that religion. For Christianity it's Jesus. Buddhism it's the Buddha. Satanism it's Satan (whether he be an actual deity or an archtype for the human self). British Traditional Wiccans believe that the orthopraxic nature is the core. While many Solitary Wiccans believe that it's the belief in the Lord and Lady of the Isles, and other Solitaries believe it's the Wiccan Rede. While Solitaries may use the Outer Court knowledge and don't have access to the Inner Court of Wicca, they still practice the rituals in the same manner. So while a Solitary may not be initiated, they can still make oaths to the Lord and Lady, and the deities might reveal to be different deities according to the Charge of the God and Goddess. So really the bigger picture isn't what BTW considers orthopraxy or the Wiccan Rede, but it's the rituals themselves. That would be the actual core of Wicca, in which both BTW and Solitaries do. As I am not Wiccan I don't know to much about what you referred to but as I understand Christianity I will say this, While all Christians do have Jesus as the core of their religions the various denominations have a lot of small differences that keep them apart. In a small town in Florida population of a few thousand there are 69 churches because they just can't agree on minor points. Even the denominations can't agree, there is a Baptist, Southern Baptist and an Independent Baptist church all within a few miles of each other, all because they can't agree on small points. But maybe it's just the nature of the beast, people seem to love to argue. Us vs. them, we're right they're wrong. And even the various traditions within British Traditional Wicca have their own minute differences, but they all follow a core that they believe Gardner set up. And yeah, fighting is just apart of human nature :s This is a question, Can they (Wiccans) get together despite those differences? Depends on how far their elitist stick is shoved up their a**. In all seriousness, it depends on the BTW themselves. I have met a few British Traditional Wiccans that are absolutely fine with solitaries. What we normally see on Gaia isn't the same for all the internet communities out there. There are some who are elitist, but that seems to be the extreme minority. Well that's good. Oh by the way, are rituals ever open to on BTW perhaps by invitation or not. Asatru rituals are often right out in the open and may be viewed by anyone, public parks and the like.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:51 am
bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin Ravynne Sidhe bearcatthorin As I am not Wiccan I don't know to much about what you referred to but as I understand Christianity I will say this, While all Christians do have Jesus as the core of their religions the various denominations have a lot of small differences that keep them apart. In a small town in Florida population of a few thousand there are 69 churches because they just can't agree on minor points. Even the denominations can't agree, there is a Baptist, Southern Baptist and an Independent Baptist church all within a few miles of each other, all because they can't agree on small points. But maybe it's just the nature of the beast, people seem to love to argue. Us vs. them, we're right they're wrong. And even the various traditions within British Traditional Wicca have their own minute differences, but they all follow a core that they believe Gardner set up. And yeah, fighting is just apart of human nature :s This is a question, Can they (Wiccans) get together despite those differences? Depends on how far their elitist stick is shoved up their a**. In all seriousness, it depends on the BTW themselves. I have met a few British Traditional Wiccans that are absolutely fine with solitaries. What we normally see on Gaia isn't the same for all the internet communities out there. There are some who are elitist, but that seems to be the extreme minority. Well that's good. Oh by the way, are rituals ever open to on BTW perhaps by invitation or not. Asatru rituals are often right out in the open and may be viewed by anyone, public parks and the like. It depends on the coven. Some covens do allow people to join their public rituals every sabbath, though some people consider that outer court material. What occurs within the coven though is very hush hush.
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