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Cobra_X
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:54 am


Alright, so we all know how awesome Konaga are and what their deal is, right? If not, check out the Bloodline [HERE]

Now, this is not mentioned in the Bloodline entry, but I have been thinking about making an addendum of some kind. Looking at the Konaga as a biological entity, it's a pretty crazy thing. They have floods of chakra raging through their bodies at all times, creating pain beyond understanding every second of the day. The body however reacts to this, adjusts, and endures, allowing them to at least operate as each member learns their own way to survive under the duress.

The issue with poisons therefore is really just an issue of 'effect'. Konaga Chakra has always been described as it's own malevolent entity inside of a Konaga's body... and it doesn't quite tolerate foreign objects in it's system. My thought is that in many cases, poisons simply wouldn't work against Konaga... or at least, can only survive in a Konaga's system for a brief period of time before it is eradicated.

Some poisons for example, which might cause pain of some kind, would be barely noticeable to a Konaga due to the extreme levels of pain already present in their systems. Then, comes those which affect the senses, but even that is strange for a Konaga for certain senses, such as touch, which is already deadened for a Konaga.

How do you all think we should handle this? Case by Case as the situation presents itself?... or should Konaga have some sort of 'Poison Resistance' added to the Bloodline details?


PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:59 am


I was thinking that the Chakra would merely heighten the poison and not destroy the poison. Thus you would suffer under the effects just the same as anyone else. Of course, if someone were to drain the poison from a Konaga and put it into another, it would work twice as fast and twice as strong. I honestly believe that they don't need a poison resistance.

duckmasta

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:22 am


duckmasta
I was thinking that the Chakra would merely heighten the poison and not destroy the poison. Thus you would suffer under the effects just the same as anyone else. Of course, if someone were to drain the poison from a Konaga and put it into another, it would work twice as fast and twice as strong. I honestly believe that they don't need a poison resistance.

It's not a question of NEEDING poison resistance, it's a question of what makes sense given the construct of the Bloodline I have created.

Why would the chakra HEIGHTEN the effect of the poison? How does that make sense at all? It is pure, raw, energy in it's most violent and potent form coursing through every cell in their body. You think that would STRENGTHEN or even tolerate a foreign presence? It barely even tolerates the Clan member's use of their own chakra!

IMO, it would eradicate any foreign object in the system simply by merit of the fact that no foreign pathogen/chemical could survive in the harsh environment that is the Konaga's body.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:45 am


Cobra_X
duckmasta
I was thinking that the Chakra would merely heighten the poison and not destroy the poison. Thus you would suffer under the effects just the same as anyone else. Of course, if someone were to drain the poison from a Konaga and put it into another, it would work twice as fast and twice as strong. I honestly believe that they don't need a poison resistance.

It's not a question of NEEDING poison resistance, it's a question of what makes sense given the construct of the Bloodline I have created.

Why would the chakra HEIGHTEN the effect of the poison? How does that make sense at all? It is pure, raw, energy in it's most violent and potent form coursing through every cell in their body. You think that would STRENGTHEN or even tolerate a foreign presence? It barely even tolerates the Clan member's use of their own chakra!

IMO, it would eradicate any foreign object in the system simply by merit of the fact that no foreign pathogen/chemical could survive in the harsh environment that is the Konaga's body.
How can it tolerate? Chakra is not an intelligent creature. If I were to make a poison that affected chakra, that used the Chakra system as a delivery method throughout the victims body, would not the case of having such Chakra actually enhance the spread of the poison?Some Diseases, viruses, and venom have been known to adapt to vaccines. What's to say that the poison, if designed to do so, would not? This is all hypothetical of course.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:00 am


duckmasta
Cobra_X
duckmasta
I was thinking that the Chakra would merely heighten the poison and not destroy the poison. Thus you would suffer under the effects just the same as anyone else. Of course, if someone were to drain the poison from a Konaga and put it into another, it would work twice as fast and twice as strong. I honestly believe that they don't need a poison resistance.

It's not a question of NEEDING poison resistance, it's a question of what makes sense given the construct of the Bloodline I have created.

Why would the chakra HEIGHTEN the effect of the poison? How does that make sense at all? It is pure, raw, energy in it's most violent and potent form coursing through every cell in their body. You think that would STRENGTHEN or even tolerate a foreign presence? It barely even tolerates the Clan member's use of their own chakra!

IMO, it would eradicate any foreign object in the system simply by merit of the fact that no foreign pathogen/chemical could survive in the harsh environment that is the Konaga's body.
How can it tolerate? Chakra is not an intelligent creature. If I were to make a poison that affected chakra, that used the Chakra system as a delivery method throughout the victims body, would not the case of having such Chakra actually enhance the spread of the poison?Some Diseases, viruses, and venom have been known to adapt to vaccines. What's to say that the poison, if designed to do so, would not? This is all hypothetical of course.

Tolerating something isn't necessary a conscious act. Oil does not tolerate to be dissolved in water. I'm not saying the chakra is alive... but what I am saying is that it's raw unbridled form has instinct... in that it will attack to purify anything which makes it unpure. That is the whole essence of the bloodline and the reason why Konaga have so much of it at their command.

Konaga chakra is TOTALLY different from normal chakra. it is chakra in it's purist, most violent form... whereas in most people, it is a symbiotic force which integrates with their system without any ill effect.

I'm not saying that you could create a poison which attacks via the chakra system... but Konaga chakra is not your typical Chakra. You'd have to create a Konaga-specific poison for it to have the effect you're looking for. The signatures of chakra themselves are completely different. MAYBE it would have SOME effect on a Konaga, but it wouldn't be the same... it would be diminished simply due to how the Biology is written.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:10 am


I think the problem Duck has with this is that Konaga are already pretty powerful in their current state, and adding in a poison resistance, while certainly making logical sense, would just make them even stronger. ( Although I don't think I've seen anyone use poisons. )

I do have to agree, however, that poison resistance would make sense due to the nature of their chakra, which you've already said. It is nearly impervious to genjutsu, which is foreign chakra trying to manipulate the brain, and out-right rejects any sort of foreign bloodline that may enter the body, even of the user's own will. However, they do have a skill, albeit a high rank, to purge any poison in there system at a painful cost. Why don't we just leave it at that?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:32 am


A good call Despair. I guess it is as you said, much more of a balance issue then it is a logic issue.

I think we will leave it at that, but the symptoms of poison and how a Konaga deals with that will still be hard to address. Then again, it would actually then be a handicap for a Konaga, since they wouldn't be able to tell whether or not they were being affected by a poison, since their systems would naturally drowned out everything else which is a 'lesser symptom'
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:30 pm


How does the immune system in a Konaga work? I think it would be really weak seeing as the chakra is so destructive, but because the chakra can pretty much wipe out any bactria so the Konaga don't get sick to often.

Well what would happen if a virus got in that was strong enough to withstand the chakra? For example a Chuunin makes a custom poison, the concotion isn't strong enough to withstand the Konaga Chakra so it is null and void and does very little to the Konaga.

Well the Chuunin ranks up and makes a better poison that can withstand the Charka, with a weak immune system the poison should work better if it is strong enough to withstand the chakra right?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:04 pm


Immune system works the same... they are cells like every other cell in the body, and thus work with, or are saturated by the Konaga Chakra.

But yeah... whatever constitutes as 'being sick' for a Konaga would be hard to figure out given the immense amount of pain they are already in. Likely, they would be tired and or weak, but not know why. I don't think their immune systems would be any weaker/stronger then another people's.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:20 pm


Not all poison necessarily attacks chakra, you know. If the Konaga were affected by, say, a poison that affected a person's sense of balance, or caused them to stop sweating (deadly in hot environments), I believe they would be as affected as anybody else. Just because their chakra is so active within their bodies does not mean that their more human systems would not be affected.

Gregar828
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:28 pm


Gregar828
Not all poison necessarily attacks chakra, you know. If the Konaga were affected by, say, a poison that affected a person's sense of balance, or caused them to stop sweating (deadly in hot environments), I believe they would be as affected as anybody else. Just because their chakra is so active within their bodies does not mean that their more human systems would not be affected.

Chakra in a Konaga is integrated into every aspect of their physiology though Greg... there is very little separation between the two. that's why they have so much of it naturally.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:49 pm


Cobra_X
Gregar828
Not all poison necessarily attacks chakra, you know. If the Konaga were affected by, say, a poison that affected a person's sense of balance, or caused them to stop sweating (deadly in hot environments), I believe they would be as affected as anybody else. Just because their chakra is so active within their bodies does not mean that their more human systems would not be affected.

Chakra in a Konaga is integrated into every aspect of their physiology though Greg... there is very little separation between the two. that's why they have so much of it naturally.


Even so, that does not make a Konaga invincible to poison. If they ingest (by means other than eating or drinking) a poison that causes them to vomit uncontrollably, would their chakra force their stomach to calm down? If they got the no-sweating poison, would the chakra just override the chemicals interfering and cause the pores to sweat again? If its a complete yes to both these things, perhaps the Konaga needs to be edited a bit. They're already immune or highly resistant to most means of attack, being completely immune to poison in addition to all of that, for RP reasons, is getting a bit ridiculous.

Gregar828
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:59 pm


Oh, I agree. I wasn't arguing for immunity to poisons. despair made a good point that it wasn't balance-able.

I was just arguing the concepts after that. IMO, Konaga chakra would eradicate most foreign contents on sight... therefore eliminating the chemical effects they might have on the body... since ya know, they've been disintegrated into nothingness by pure energy.

Obviously however, that's too much.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:14 pm


I'm curious.

How would a Konaga tolerate medicine then? Even though it's aiding the body is it still targetted by their chakra and destroyed. Also wouldn't healing attempts completely backfire as their Konaga's chakra forcefully expels the foreign chakra?

Martin Spiralwave
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:08 pm


This could go either way really. On the one hand, the chakra might cancel it out with it's constant flooding through the system, and obliterate the poison. On the other, the chakra, being a spiritual component, might completely ignore the poison, a genetic component, alowing it to run it's course. A poison targeting the chakra would either be powered up, or wiped out, depending on how it's made, but going by other aspects of the Konaga, I'd say the chakra would do little to nothing against a biological poison.

Other aspects being, they can eat, and the chakra doesn't reject the food. A Konaga goes through food faster than normal, but that's different. The chakra overflow increases the metabolism causing that. On that note though, there might be space for a slight immunity there. The Konaga metabolism could run a poison through faster than normal, getting rid of the ill effects in a much decreased length of time.

In the end, it really depends on the type of poison, and probably shouldn't be integrated as anything but that slight reduction I just mentioned. Konaga are already freakishly OP after all, with the pain resistance and everything.

Edit: As for the immune system, I'd say it would be higher than normal. An increased metabolism would increase the immune system as well, would it not?
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