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 Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:39 am
Can someone who is against gay marriage please explain to me why you are against it? If your using something as a reference, could you please give me your reference. Thank you.
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:20 am
Why does it matter? Isn't every one entitled to their opinion whether they are for or against it? Do they have to have a specific reason?
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:28 am
Shadows-shine Why does it matter? Isn't every one entitled to their opinion whether they are for or against it? Do they have to have a specific reason? It is nice, when someone has an opinion that limits the rights and/or freedoms of another, that they can justify their opinion. ... could kick your a** !!
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:13 pm
*agrees with Root*
Personally, I'm for gay marriage, if only because it doesn't hurt anyone else and it's their decision.
Also, the Catholic Church (which I'm most familiar with) doesn't condemn homosexuality because it's "wrong"--the problem is premarital sex. And as there's no way for them to be married in a church under the current system, they're screwed.
Ehehe. lol Lame pun is very lame.
Not to mention all the revenue from state marriages we could get. Wouldn't that help the U.S. economy?
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:21 pm
Sashaajnin Can someone who is against gay marriage please explain to me why you are against it? If your using something as a reference, could you please give me your reference. Thank you. I am not against, i am for, but i know the main reasons for why some are against ..... unless i'm mis-informed. sweatdrop It is a referrence to the Old Testament, The Exodus from Egypt. To be certain that the decendants of Abraham would manage the walk back to their "homeland"/promised land, God would bless them with children, if they were to join, wed, as man and woman. It had nothing to do with emotional love and caring between the man and woman, it was only a blessing to get (more) children. And this is why i am for gay marriage. Since then, marriage has been used for several other reasons, including Love, and for manipulating buisness. The acclaimed "original reason" is long lost, and it is instead believed that You marry for love. So, if people want to marry because they love and care for each other, i don't mind, no matter what gender there are on the couple.
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:24 pm
Eccentric Detective Wouldn't that help the U.S. economy? Someone's seen Prop 8: The Musical. ... could kick your a** !!
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:36 am
Renkon Root Shadows-shine Why does it matter? Isn't every one entitled to their opinion whether they are for or against it? Do they have to have a specific reason? It is nice, when someone has an opinion that limits the rights and/or freedoms of another, that they can justify their opinion. ... could kick your a** !! I think people can have their own opinions without justification, but these opinions SHOULD NOT influence law. Gosh America needs an over haul when it comes to equality... Also, Its not just Biblical reasons for being against gay marriage. I know Atheists who dont like it.
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:36 am
Renkon Root Eccentric Detective Wouldn't that help the U.S. economy? Someone's seen Prop 8: The Musical. ... could kick your a** !! Yes, yes I have. It is a valid point... though I don't suppose it'll convince anyone for one side or another, it's just icing on the cake. Kind of like all the taxes we could get from selling marijuana. Call Me Apple Renkon Root Shadows-shine Why does it matter? Isn't every one entitled to their opinion whether they are for or against it? Do they have to have a specific reason? It is nice, when someone has an opinion that limits the rights and/or freedoms of another, that they can justify their opinion. ... could kick your a** !! I think people can have their own opinions without justification, but these opinions SHOULD NOT influence law. Gosh America needs an over haul when it comes to equality... I know where you're coming from. Law should come from the greatest good for all and not depend on what the majority thinks is evil. We're not forcing gay marriage opposers into these marriages. Why does it concern them so much?
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:48 am
Eccentric Detective We're not forcing gay marriage opposers into these marriages. Why does it concern them so much? This right here is one of the things that make it so hard for me to understand people opposed to gay marriage. Honestly, how will Jeff and Bob getting married effect them? What's the problem? ... could kick your a** !!
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:26 pm
Renkon Root Eccentric Detective We're not forcing gay marriage opposers into these marriages. Why does it concern them so much? This right here is one of the things that make it so hard for me to understand people opposed to gay marriage. Honestly, how will Jeff and Bob getting married effect them? What's the problem? ... could kick your a** !! See my earlier post. As for Atheists that is against it, they are probably traditionalists (in that area), or has been so affected by the homophobia, that they just dislike the idea on a principality, or they have even adopted the alleged "Abramic view" on homosexuality without knowing where it comes from. ......... I put "Abramic view" inside quotation, because, according to the Gnostic around here (i'm bad with names), the original texts may actually not have been as much against homosexuality as they are interpreted as ........
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:34 pm
Tiina Brown ......... I put "Abramic view" inside quotation, because, according to the Gnostic around here (i'm bad with names), the original texts may actually not have been as much against homosexuality as they are interpreted as ........ spot on. the one I hear quoted the most as far as anti-gay is "Go forth and multiply," said by god to the Israelites. obviously, this is very open to interpretation, the anti-gay interpretation being (bluntly) "go F*ck each other" (which is NOT a very god-like thing to say XD) my personal interpretation would be closer to "go forth and prosper" (Spock!)
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:53 pm
Emet_Paladin of Truth Tiina Brown ......... I put "Abramic view" inside quotation, because, according to the Gnostic around here (i'm bad with names), the original texts may actually not have been as much against homosexuality as they are interpreted as ........ spot on. the one I hear quoted the most as far as anti-gay is "Go forth and multiply," said by god to the Israelites. obviously, this is very open to interpretation, the anti-gay interpretation being (bluntly) "go F*ck each other" (which is NOT a very god-like thing to say XD) my personal interpretation would be closer to "go forth and prosper" (Spock!) "Multiply" do not include an automatic "do not have infertile copulation" ...... The Anti-Gay cannot have "go F*ck each other", because that do not include procreation at all ..... "Live long and Prosper": Spock (a Vulcan saying) .... Sorry if i get irritating ..... sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:14 pm
Tiina Brown Sashaajnin Can someone who is against gay marriage please explain to me why you are against it? If your using something as a reference, could you please give me your reference. Thank you. I am not against, i am for, but i know the main reasons for why some are against ..... unless i'm mis-informed. sweatdrop It is a referrence to the Old Testament, The Exodus from Egypt. To be certain that the decendants of Abraham would manage the walk back to their "homeland"/promised land, God would bless them with children, if they were to join, wed, as man and woman. It had nothing to do with emotional love and caring between the man and woman, it was only a blessing to get (more) children. And this is why i am for gay marriage. Since then, marriage has been used for several other reasons, including Love, and for manipulating buisness. The acclaimed "original reason" is long lost, and it is instead believed that You marry for love. So, if people want to marry because they love and care for each other, i don't mind, no matter what gender there are on the couple.
My problem with people using Bible verses to justify keeping same-sex marriage banned is this:
Let's ignore the fact that people have to twist Bible verses pretty far before they even resemble their point. Never mind that the Bible has been translated so many times that it's naive to believe that it's even close to the original words. My problem is that even if the entire contents of the Bible were the words "HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG" in plain English, it shouldn't matter.
What happened to freedom of religion? When did it become okay to force religious morals on people, regardless of their beliefs? What is the difference between telling people what is and isn't immoral based only on what the Bible allegedly says and forcing people to go to church every Sunday?
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:43 pm
Renkon Root Eccentric Detective We're not forcing gay marriage opposers into these marriages. Why does it concern them so much? This right here is one of the things that make it so hard for me to understand people opposed to gay marriage. Honestly, how will Jeff and Bob getting married effect them? What's the problem? ... could kick your a** !! Renkon quoted me... *faints* To an extent, I can see them not wanting to "live in sin" and all that, but... you can't convert everybody, and you can't force them to live by your religious laws until they agree to follow them. That's the spirit of the Law (I capitalize it here because I'm referring to the Biblical laws). You should want to obey God's will, or you're missing part of your Christianity: devotion.
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:43 pm
Eccentric Detective surprised Renkon quoted me... *faints* neutral ? ... could kick your a** !!
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