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 Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:10 am
I have heard many theories on the origins of these creatures. I personally believe they live in different planes and when our plane crosses theirs we can see glimpses. So people actually saw these creatures and might have fabricated a little. Or more than a little.
What are you theories?
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:09 am
Okay. You're asking for me to open a long closed jar.
I personally believe that they had existed at some point in this dimension/timestream/whatever. How else could one come up with such creatures as the sprite or brownie or changling? I know some people are going to argue ignorance for the early man. Yet some of the more educated people of the times as well as some church/religious officials believed. There are still places on this earth that cultured people, like ourselves, will not go for fear of such creatures. Places in Europe, such as Ireland and Germany, are said to be the haunts of beasties most foul.
The Black Forest in Germany is said to host a number of these things that the scientific community wrote off as nonexistant since many foolish travelers went in and ne'er came out alive or at all. Some have claimed werewolves while others have claimed more sinister forces while yet more have said it is nothing but old wives tales.
The fairy rings of Ireland are left undisturbed to this day. It is said, and has been proven, that buildings built on or in the path of it are cursed. People see strange creatures about knee high running around in the darkest parts of the building. Machines stop working that were in the best shape. No reason for the machines to up and give out. Homes usually have footsteps heard in rooms unoccupied or the occupants wake to find things rearranged or missing. Some have even woken to see little creatures circling them or staring at them. Most usually feel the sense of being hunted.
(This is to my most recent research if anything is known otherwise or if I am mistaken, feel free to correct me. I'm still looking up different things like this for a paper I'm working on.)
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:29 pm
What i know of:
There are places on Iceland that is not built on for similar reasons, as well.
My guesses & opinions:
Personally, i think the mythical beings that did exist decided to let their offspring be born humans .......
This ties in with the so called "Otherkin" .........
However, i do not think Centaurs nor actual werewolves has existed, really:
I think Centaurs was something that was unkown at the time: Humans riding on horses.
I also think Werewolves was humans that dressed in wolfpelts, and decided to learn how to run on all fours. When they went down on all four, they looked like large wolves: It looked like shapeshifting, but was not.
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:24 pm
pantherdor Okay. You're asking for me to open a long closed jar. I personally believe that they had existed at some point in this dimension/timestream/whatever. How else could one come up with such creatures as the sprite or brownie or changling? I know some people are going to argue ignorance for the early man. Yet some of the more educated people of the times as well as some church/religious officials believed. There are still places on this earth that cultured people, like ourselves, will not go for fear of such creatures. Places in Europe, such as Ireland and Germany, are said to be the haunts of beasties most foul. The Black Forest in Germany is said to host a number of these things that the scientific community wrote off as nonexistant since many foolish travelers went in and ne'er came out alive or at all. Some have claimed werewolves while others have claimed more sinister forces while yet more have said it is nothing but old wives tales. The fairy rings of Ireland are left undisturbed to this day. It is said, and has been proven, that buildings built on or in the path of it are cursed. People see strange creatures about knee high running around in the darkest parts of the building. Machines stop working that were in the best shape. No reason for the machines to up and give out. Homes usually have footsteps heard in rooms unoccupied or the occupants wake to find things rearranged or missing. Some have even woken to see little creatures circling them or staring at them. Most usually feel the sense of being hunted. (This is to my most recent research if anything is known otherwise or if I am mistaken, feel free to correct me. I'm still looking up different things like this for a paper I'm working on.)
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:46 pm
I say existed because...well i haven't seen anything like that and there are no clear pictures. Then again i am not near any of the hot spots where they still exist. Where I'm at in the world Existed is a better word. The dimension/timestream/whatever cross hasn't happened here for centuries. I never said they were extinct.
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:00 am
Dragons and Unicorns could very well just be actual now-extinct Animals, who due to their obvious Intelligence and Majesty, were exaggerated by human tales.
Elves could also very well have just been another Bipedal Cognitively-competent Language-speaking Tool-using Civilization-building race/species which later died off following the laws of Natural Selection.
i do believe that Elves are Extra-Dimensional beings though. i have reason to trust my experiences as true that one of my very own past lives is that of an Elvish woman.
another theory for Dragons is that they are a reptilian Extra-Terrestrial species. the idea of Dragons being ETs is a well-researched theory with plenty of supporting evidence. more evidence than that of them being a native-born species.
Mermaids and Unicorns and the like are not so difficult to imagine, are they? who knows whether they were real or just mistaken assemblages of fossils (like the Gryphon or Cyclops)? even if they did exist, t wouldn't be so wierd. i wouldn't expect them to be as magical as many people claim...
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:09 am
ugh, Panthor, Tiina.... xp your ideas are realy pretty crazy in my opinion... i've heard'em before from other people, but still feel the same...
it's like reading a sloppy amateur sci-fi fantasy novel and taking those half-explanations straight from it. confused it doesn't make sense, it doesn't add up. it's like half trying to be scientific about the answer, and half making s**t up as you go.
i don't mean this to be rude, just to explain why i can't take those kinds of answers seriously myself. :shrugs.: there is plenty of evidence that fits logically that explains these creatures and more logical possibilities and theories about their existence and why we can't see them anymore.
as for Otherkin... i think Reincarnation explains that well enough on it's own. no need for offspring to be suddenly born human from a direct bloodline of their Otherkin type. perhaps a Past Life was that creature, or maybe even that past life was killed or miscarried as a baby and you still had instincts of that creature when you were violently thrust to a secondary body. still others claim that they have a Soul of a particular species, but i say that's rediculous. because a Spirit is a Spirit. the form only depends on the Body or Mind.
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:24 am
Dragons and Unicorns are not as farfetched as the others.
Although I do think the 2 animals have been greatly exaggerated, like the size of them.
I hate when people say "the ideas had to come from somewhere!" as proof they exist. rolleyes
Also, I think soon the APA is going to label "otherkin" mindset as a mental disorder .... ninja
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:32 pm
For the most part, I'm a skeptic on anything mythological except right after I read a book like Percy Jackson or Airborn. Dragon stories come from dinosaur bones, and mermaids were really manatees.
However that doesn't mean I'm not open to the possibility they exist in another realm. Maybe they do. I just am not going to believe that without more people having had a brush with something like a griffin or a unicorn.
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:52 am
Call Me Apple Also, I think soon the APA is going to label "otherkin" mindset as a mental disorder .... ninja Really? Intriguing...where did you hear about this? I would touch on my own experiences with beings of a less-than-physical variety...but I'm sure I'm already firmly on the 'kooky' side of the continuum, and though I'm happy there, some people don't like the veiw. wink I do like the theory of extraterrestrial dragons, a bit more coherant than the gorn, or jemhaddar wink We as a species seem to demonise reptilians in all respects but 'proper' dragons. By which I mean traditional Eastern or Western, rather than Wyvern, Wyrm, and such which dragons tend to distance themselves from. Like humans distance themselves from apes. A unicorn is simply a horse that comes to a point, but because horses don't grow horns, it's more likely the result of an antelop species growing it's horns in a single spiral.
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:31 am
Chieftain Twilight ugh, Panthor, Tiina.... xp your ideas are realy pretty crazy in my opinion... i've heard'em before from other people, but still feel the same... it's like reading a sloppy amateur sci-fi fantasy novel and taking those half-explanations straight from it. confused it doesn't make sense, it doesn't add up. it's like half trying to be scientific about the answer, and half making s**t up as you go. i don't mean this to be rude, just to explain why i can't take those kinds of answers seriously myself. :shrugs.: there is plenty of evidence that fits logically that explains these creatures and more logical possibilities and theories about their existence and why we can't see them anymore. as for Otherkin... i think Reincarnation explains that well enough on it's own. no need for offspring to be suddenly born human from a direct bloodline of their Otherkin type. perhaps a Past Life was that creature, or maybe even that past life was killed or miscarried as a baby and you still had instincts of that creature when you were violently thrust to a secondary body. still others claim that they have a Soul of a particular species, but i say that's rediculous. because a Spirit is a Spirit. the form only depends on the Body or Mind. I said nothing about bloodline, did i? I could be saying the same about Your assumptions that You say about my guesses, by the way. Also, don't make the mistake of thinking that i agree fully with pantherdor, because i don't.
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:54 am
Chieftain Twilight Dragons and Unicorns could very well just be actual now-extinct Animals, who due to their obvious Intelligence and Majesty, were exaggerated by human tales. Elves could also very well have just been another Bipedal Cognitively-competent Language-speaking Tool-using Civilization-building race/species which later died off following the laws of Natural Selection. i do believe that Elves are Extra-Dimensional beings though. i have reason to trust my experiences as true that one of my very own past lives is that of an Elvish woman. another theory for Dragons is that they are a reptilian Extra-Terrestrial species. the idea of Dragons being ETs is a well-researched theory with plenty of supporting evidence. more evidence than that of them being a native-born species. Mermaids and Unicorns and the like are not so difficult to imagine, are they? who knows whether they were real or just mistaken assemblages of fossils (like the Gryphon or Cyclops)? even if they did exist, t wouldn't be so wierd. i wouldn't expect them to be as magical as many people claim... Alternate Unicorn: Goatbreeders somewhere (don't know where, sadly) has a tradition of bindin their goat's horns together, until the two horns becomes, or seems like, one horn. Mermaid ...... I'll leave those for now. Elves .... and just how could "another Bipedal Cognitively-competent Language-speaking Tool-using Civilization-building race/species" die out due to Natural selection? To use Your own words: it doesn't make sense, it doesn't add up. Dragons as ET's? Not according to the glimpsed past life memories of those who seem to have a dragon as a past life, as far as i know. As i see it, we guess, and keep guessing, until we find proof, or at least guess right enough, so we might be able to look for proof.
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:50 pm
Tiina Brown Chieftain Twilight Dragons and Unicorns could very well just be actual now-extinct Animals, who due to their obvious Intelligence and Majesty, were exaggerated by human tales. Elves could also very well have just been another Bipedal Cognitively-competent Language-speaking Tool-using Civilization-building race/species which later died off following the laws of Natural Selection. i do believe that Elves are Extra-Dimensional beings though. i have reason to trust my experiences as true that one of my very own past lives is that of an Elvish woman. another theory for Dragons is that they are a reptilian Extra-Terrestrial species. the idea of Dragons being ETs is a well-researched theory with plenty of supporting evidence. more evidence than that of them being a native-born species. Mermaids and Unicorns and the like are not so difficult to imagine, are they? who knows whether they were real or just mistaken assemblages of fossils (like the Gryphon or Cyclops)? even if they did exist, t wouldn't be so wierd. i wouldn't expect them to be as magical as many people claim... Alternate Unicorn: Goatbreeders somewhere (don't know where, sadly) has a tradition of bindin their goat's horns together, until the two horns becomes, or seems like, one horn. Mermaid ...... I'll leave those for now. Elves .... and just how could "another Bipedal Cognitively-competent Language-speaking Tool-using Civilization-building race/species" die out due to Natural selection? To use Your own words: it doesn't make sense, it doesn't add up. Dragons as ET's? Not according to the glimpsed past life memories of those who seem to have a dragon as a past life, as far as i know. As i see it, we guess, and keep guessing, until we find proof, or at least guess right enough, so we might be able to look for proof. for elves... see Neanderthals. they were classified as Homo Sapiens Neanderthalis. we humans are Homo Sapiens Sapiens. when we moved into regions where Neanderthals were, we were the ones who won out. Natural Selection. who's to say we didn't do the same to Elves? Dragons... just because they could be ETs doesn't exclude people rom living earlier lives as them as well. they could have been anything in our universe, including beings from other planets, other galaxies. my folsk even suggested the possibilities that lives could reincarnate between Dimensions! who knows? could be true. and no, i'm not saying you and her are agreeing, just saying that you are both examples of folks who's reasoning i have difficulty taking seriously. and i respect that you criticize mine as well, not in retaliation, but with honest disagreement of the logic. we basically just see things differently, our senses of logic are different. i'm certainly no one to determine who's saneand who's not... i would venture to say neither are you, being just as mortal as i am, but that ain't my place either. still, i am the apperrently Schitzophrenic one, so i'll let you have that and use it to justify your reasoning vs mine.
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:55 pm
xxEternallyBluexx For the most part, I'm a skeptic on anything mythological except right after I read a book like Percy Jackson or Airborn. Dragon stories come from dinosaur bones, and mermaids were really manatees. However that doesn't mean I'm not open to the possibility they exist in another realm. Maybe they do. I just am not going to believe that without more people having had a brush with something like a griffin or a unicorn. ... but how can you say that when you have all this apparrent literal belief in the mythology of christianity? confused regardless of whether any of it is true or false or metaphorical or literal, it is by definition mythology.
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:45 pm
Chieftain Twilight xxEternallyBluexx For the most part, I'm a skeptic on anything mythological except right after I read a book like Percy Jackson or Airborn. Dragon stories come from dinosaur bones, and mermaids were really manatees. However that doesn't mean I'm not open to the possibility they exist in another realm. Maybe they do. I just am not going to believe that without more people having had a brush with something like a griffin or a unicorn. ... but how can you say that when you have all this apparrent literal belief in the mythology of christianity? confused regardless of whether any of it is true or false or metaphorical or literal, it is by definition mythology. Because nothing crucial depends on my believing in unicorns, except that it would probably make me happy. Besides that, I pretty much tend to believe in something if enough people have a revelation of it, or at least that there's something behind it. Ghosts are real, I think. Other religious revelations are probably either from something we aren't supposed to mess with, or something malevolent. Aliens...who knows? And revelations about God are probably from Abraham's God. If He's real, and omnipotent, then I don't see why He can't do all the things the Bible says He does. And I don't view what's in the Bible as mythology, so there's that. But if it makes you any happier, I'll put it this way: I don't believe in anything mythological that isn't in the Bible.
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