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It seems to me that Uber is just a excuse for people to use. I have noticed this for awhile, but hearing the Latias thing just upset me a bit to actually complain about it. Ubers are pokemon that are extremely strong, usually very strong, and hit very hard. Garchomp is a perfect example. It has amazing speed, and a high attack stat to boost, so if you were to face one in a battle and you lose, the opponent is cheating because he used an Uber. Frankly i find the whole Uber classification ridiculous, i can understand Legendaries. The whole point of pokemon is to raise a team, and become a awesome trainer( in my opinion, people have similar goals) So can you really say youre a good trainer, when all the truly strong and good pokemon are banned? Latias can be taken down extremely quickly, one hit from my Jirachi's Draco Meteor and game over. Anyway back on topic, once again i shall use Garchomp as an example. I will admit, Garchomp is a complete beast, but can be taken down with Ice Beam with one shot, i have done it with my Froslass. And then someone is going to mention that you have to add a pokemon on your team just to counter Garchomp, Tyranitar, ect. Well in all honesty you have to be prepared for a battle! Make a well rounded team and then see how it works, and if you lose start again! Im really just tired of people complaining about getting the butts kicked by a certain pokemon, its as if people are taking away all the good pokemon out, so then they can get easy wins! Ugh so frustrating, i honestly dont care how strong a pokemon is, they shouldnt be banned from play, because they are hard to beat, its Pokemon, its supposed to be a challenge! ( Legendaries excluded) Sorry just had to rant this is really getting on my nerves. People that complain, suck it up and get better! Once again sorry for ranting this just really makes me mad for some reason.

I use them in my in game team(Bibbral sp) and I have some level of respect for mine. One alone took on the steel gym and part of another gym(ice). My D/P/Plat teams ingame had them on even aganst the E4. I might for fun want to ev train one to see what it could do.

Trust me Chomps are OP, as they are hard to kill and it was needed to carry a counter just for Chomp. Latias's stats are low enough without the Orb that it is not a threat.

To put it simply, id two trainers of the same skill challenged each other. One use Ubers, and the other did not, the one with Ubers is more likely to win because of the statistic advantage. However, remove the Ubers and it is anyone's guess who will win. The useage of Ubers is just an unnecessary handicap. A pokemon of that power in the wrong hands can be devistating on many levels. I'd rather not go into all the details about why we have thrown Garchomp and latias into the Uber teir. Just realize that it was a very, very long conversation with people debating every possible pros and cons.

I think it is also safe to say you have not fought very many well trained ubers. If you were to every face one, I am sure you can see why we decided to do what we did.

There is a huge difference between Ubers and legendaries. I'm sure we all know what legendaries are, but Ubers are Pokemon whom are classified as unbalancingly powerful, not neccessarily in attacking but also some walls. Take Giratina and Lugia for example. Yes, most Ubers are legendaries, but that's just because the game creators gave some legends such high base stats that they are unbalancingly powerful. Others are complete failures in the Metagame. Take Regice and Gigas, for example. Regice fell into NU for whatever reason and Gigas is there due to its horrid ability. From what I get from your post, you think that instead of banning Ubers, we should only ban legendaries. How would you like facing a Wobbufet and Garchomp every battle? Yache berry will allow Chomp to survive Ice Beam, and Wobbufet guarantees a KO. Like the clauses, the Uber tier is there to create the need for skill, not luck or overpowered Pokemon, to win in the standard metagame.

Generally speaking, Latias is one of those Pokemon that is too powerful for OU and too weak for Ubers. However, seeing how it over centralizes the tier most commonly used (OU), I honestly felt this was the right decision that Smogon has made (finally) and am glad it finally followed suit with something we decided on a long time ago (back in August of 2009). We felt it good reason to refuse Latias from getting out of the Uber tier from the get-go.


Edit: Okay... with risk of sounding a bit like an a-hole, here we go.

If that is what you truely believe, then I honestly weep for your ignorance. I hope you do realize that Latias is a legendary Pokemon as well, thus this wishy-washy statement alone kills your own argument.


Your damn right I feel like a better trainer for not resorting to using the most highly powered Pokemon in the game. I have strategic skill and don't need to hide behind statistically superior beasts to prove my worth. Even more so when I crush you (or anyone else) while your using ubers.


You obviously don't understand how over centralized such a Pokemon as Garchomp can become. It's hardly fun to see every team consist of one spot JUST to counter Garchomp, in most cases, that being Weavile or even Scarf'd Salamence with Draco Meteor in the case of YacheChomp (though even those are proven useless in a Sandstorm thanks to Chomp's Sand Veil ability). It's not so much that people complain about losing, it's the complaint of the elimination of a wide range of Pokemon from being used because said Pokemon is allowed to be used (and thus is used) by at least 95% of everyone you battle. And I can assure you, you are looking at it the wrong way. With Garchomp on your team, your more likely to be guaranteed easy wins, not the other way around.


Your right, Pokemon should be a challenge, so perhaps you should look at the challenge that has been laid before you, try and become a good trainer WITHOUT the CRUTCH of Uber Pokemon and quit complaining because your life isn't made easier without your precious Latias.

I think im going to crawl in a hole and die now xD