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 Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:37 pm
I don't know if we really got into this in the main thread on homosexuality but it's a mentality I'm seeing more and more of these days. I'm curious as to why someone would come to the conclusion made in the title, how accurate do you all think it is and on the other side of this, to those who do oppose gay marriage have you ever been called a bigot before even stating your reasons why? How would you respond to such idividuals.
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:54 pm
I wouldn't say that every one who opposes gay marriage is a religious bigot. I know lots of people opposed to it who are not even religious in the smallest sense of the word.
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:17 pm
Well, I couldn't call anyone a religious bigot before hearing their claim but most that I have met either believed in no homosexuality because of religion or just used the same arguments most religious debaters on the opposing side use.
EX: It is not natural.
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:36 pm
To be honest, I've never heard a serious argument against same-sex marriage, or homosexuality at all for that matter, that was not religious at its core.
And I honestly can't think of a reason why anyone would be so against homosexuality outside of the church other than, I suppose, that it makes him or her uncomfortable.
I don't think I've ever called anyone a religious bigot just because he or she was against gay marriage, but almost all of the arguments I've seen against gay marriage come from someone else's skewed religious viewpoint.
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:43 pm
Interesting. It seems to me that the reasoning is everything. Homosexuals are feared because they're different. People fear change, for some reason. Others are trapped in what they were raised.
If a person can logically justify why gay marriage is wrong (well thought out reasons why they don't like it) I will never call that person a bigot. If their reasons are that homosexuals are bad people then thats another story.
As for religiously, there is evidence that can make a person believe god doesn't want that. If they know where they believe it's forbidden or what was (basically) said then their fine. If they just say the bible forbids it without knowing where or how, then they are probably bigots.
EDIT: Then again, not all Christians know the Bible that well. If they have some idea why, then it can pass.
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:54 pm
I don't know...I think it depends on how much the person knows and if they're taking a strong stance on it. If someone says they think it's wrong because they were raised that way, but they say it only when pressed for an opinion, that's completely different from someone who vehemently protests it because they heard the Bible says so somewhere. It also depends on if the person honestly wants to know if it's right or wrong, or just wants an excuse to hate on people. Some people against gay rights are bigots, but there's always people on both sides of any argument who are foolish.
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:17 pm
Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it.
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:27 pm
XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it.
I would even argue against his argument for the fact that even if half of the earth's population was homosexual it would not lower population growth so greatly. Not to mention it's not like the entire planet will become homosexual.
and finally, we reach the real flaw in his argument...
Homosexuality does not mean you can't reproduce. Sex isn't the only way. He may be an Atheist but he sure as hell doesn't seem to be a skeptic or humanist. :
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:31 pm
Captain_Shinzo XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it.
I would even argue against his argument for the fact that even if half of the earth's population was homosexual it would not lower population growth so greatly. Not to mention it's not like the entire planet will become homosexual.
and finally, we reach the real flaw in his argument...
Homosexuality does not mean you can't reproduce. Sex isn't the only way. He may be an Atheist but he sure as hell doesn't seem to be a skeptic or humanist. :No, he's not. I personally think he's incredibly smart (but unable to touch me) but the point I was making was mainly about that it wasn't religious. Not that it was correct. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:36 pm
Depends on your morals.Dosen't matter if your theist or atheist
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:40 pm
But he didn't give any religious reasons. Didn't even say it was against nature or anything.
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:53 pm
XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Captain_Shinzo XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it.
I would even argue against his argument for the fact that even if half of the earth's population was homosexual it would not lower population growth so greatly. Not to mention it's not like the entire planet will become homosexual.
and finally, we reach the real flaw in his argument...
Homosexuality does not mean you can't reproduce. Sex isn't the only way. He may be an Atheist but he sure as hell doesn't seem to be a skeptic or humanist. :No, he's not. I personally think he's incredibly smart (but unable to touch me) but the point I was making was mainly about that it wasn't religious. Not that it was correct. 3nodding
and I know, it is just that that is a common argument some religious folk use on me to try to get "scientific" on me.
However, it's a "what if" question if everyone was homosexual and it still relies on reproduction by sex. :
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:50 pm
I agree with Shinzo. I've heard this argument before, and I usually find that it's not the real reason that the person is against homosexuality. I find that it's usually covering for the person's own discomfort with homosexuality or their unwillingness to say that the real reason is religious.
I say this because it's really an awful argument once thought about for a moment, for the reasons Shinzo already stated and then some.
I think, I guess, that the stereotype that I tend to assign to people who oppose gay marriage or homosexuality is that the person is willfully ignorant.
I really can't wrap my head around why people protest this outside of ignorance and fear.
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:14 pm
That is kind of how it works, either your religious or your slightly ignorant.
I have heard people tell me homosexuality is un-natural but that is flawed because that applies to homosexual sex and not actual homosexuality. Not to mention the definition of natural disproves such.
and I find religious reasons worse because they will argue either of text that can easily be mistranslated, read from Levitcus scrolls or wrong text. Not to mention other reasons also involve homosexuality not being "natural" because of reproduction but...again...that applies to homosexual sex and not homosexuality.
If anything, it just all seems like Homophobia and satire. XD It's hilarious.
EDIT: I also forgot to mention that gay marriage shouldn't be illegal just because of religion. We are the separation of church and state, not a Theocracy. So if anything, allow all states Civil marriage and ATLEAST half with Religious marriage.
I mean, have the people speak what they want but allow civil marriage since it IS just a political issue then and not religious.
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:35 pm
i'm opposed to homosexual marriage because marriage is a religious institution and it is against my religion...
i dont have any problems with homosexuals
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