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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:07 am
I dont get it.There are so many miracles of Allah and still the disbeleivers dont come to our religon.The Sand fountain, the girl who cried sharp crystals, the boy who had Allah written on his ear, he mosques who stood after the tsunamis and earthquakes.etc.
No offence to disbeleivers but my Islamiat sir told me the Christians make their own religon up.Soon they might be starting to worship Elisha.
I am not going to offend anyones religon because it is a bad thing to do so.It might bring me a few steps closer to Hell (Jahannum).
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:29 am
well.. thing is in all forms of Christianity there are tons of miracles as well .. so think about those in Christianity that maybe thinking the same thing you are. If you want i can throw some examples up later im at work atm. Oh and no offence to whatt you just said but in a christian look at this, the scriptures that come to mind when we see miracles from other religions would be : Be not deceived for even Satan can show him self as a angel of light, causing fire to come down even if possible to deceive the very elect, there will be false prophets, there are more but i don't have the time too look them up right now.
in alot of country's the catholics have people that endure the signs of the cross "stigmata's" and statues of Mary crying wemon sweating olive oil etc.... i mean theres alot in catholiscm alone
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:18 am
miracles don't create faith, they only strengthen faith that already exists in someone.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:32 pm
Personally, and please don't take offense to this statement, as far as my knowledge extends, as a woman, I could never submit myself to Islam. It appears to be a VERY male driven faith that not only doesn't see women as equal partners, it almost condems women.and I am a very liberally minded woman. I myself am a Unitarian Universalist, and don't believe in grand miracles of faith, but rather small miracles of the human spirit. Such as friendship, hope, love, and so on. However, I am fascinated with theology, and have never heard of those miracles of Islam. If you find the time, I would greatly appreciate a quick overview of you take on them. ^^
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:57 pm
Plumsicle Personally, and please don't take offense to this statement, as far as my knowledge extends, as a woman, I could never submit myself to Islam. It appears to be a VERY male driven faith that not only doesn't see women as equal partners, it almost condems women.and I am a very liberally minded woman. I myself am a Unitarian Universalist, and don't believe in grand miracles of faith, but rather small miracles of the human spirit. Such as friendship, hope, love, and so on. However, I am fascinated with theology, and have never heard of those miracles of Islam. If you find the time, I would greatly appreciate a quick overview of you take on them. ^^ I don't know, from what I've seen (apart from the fanatic groups) Islam doesn't seem "anti-women" and in it's day Muhammed was very progressive in his attitudes towards women.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:22 pm
fallen_vampire_immortal I dont get it.There are so many miracles of Allah and still the disbeleivers dont come to our religon.The Sand fountain, the girl who cried sharp crystals, the boy who had Allah written on his ear, he mosques who stood after the tsunamis and earthquakes.etc. No offence to disbeleivers but my Islamiat sir told me the Christians make their own religon up.Soon they might be starting to worship Elisha. I am not going to offend anyones religon because it is a bad thing to do so.It might bring me a few steps closer to Hell (Jahannum). It's not that simple. Christians have seen many miracles too. And you know, Islam seems made up in a way. Muhammad didn't really have any proof, while Jesus came and performed tons of miracles and preached things that tied in with much of the Torah (at least in my opinion.) You claim some of Yahweh's prophets as your own and even Jesus who said He was the Son of God. From what He said He either would of had to be a liar, delusional, a lunatic, or right. None of those really allow for prophet. Plus there's Talis's point, that Satan can do things too. Oh and no offense either. Just thought I'd point the above out. wink
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:54 am
Well Im starting to understand your religon and why its so hard to leave it. Well do you know who made the crack on the moon?We beleive Muhammed (SAW) showed the Kafirun (Disbeleivers) a miracle but they didnt beleive him.Try to understand the religon of the One God Allah.
Do you know about Dajaal? He will be born forty years before Isa (AS)[Jesus] will come back. Dajaal will force us to prostrate to him.He'll pull out our nerves and other torture tactics to force us.Its horibble.
My religon is sometimes a little freaky.I searched the net for His miracles and i saw a picture of a rock.It was litrally floating!!!!!
We all know about Satan.
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:02 am
I still have a bunch of questions about miracles. I use to think some of my older relatives were crazy when I was told about some of there dreams and visions. Now that I have dreams and a few visions, I can finally relate. Thats why I don't judge any religion. I think GOD deals with us all in diffrent manners depending on our needs and purpose.
I don't think Islam put women down, my experience with them left me with the impression that they don't consider the women to be as important as the men. When I came to that conclusion I was no longer intrested in the religion because I could not understand it. The women bring forth the children are helpmates to the spouse etc... I was not comfortable with the concept.
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:34 pm
quietstorm 2 I still have a bunch of questions about miracles. I use to think some of my older relatives were crazy when I was told about some of there dreams and visions. Now that I have dreams and a few visions, I can finally relate. Thats why I don't judge any religion. I think GOD deals with us all in diffrent manners depending on our needs and purpose. I don't think Islam put women down, my experience with them left me with the impression that they don't consider the women to be as important as the men. When I came to that conclusion I was no longer intrested in the religion because I could not understand it. The women bring forth the children are helpmates to the spouse etc... I was not comfortable with the concept. Well i dont get what your trying to say but women are important as men too.The whole marraige concept requires a man and woman. Take a look at this.  That is written Allah in the arabic language.
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:04 pm
First off, if you're going to start listing miracles, make sure they aren't hoaxes, or outright lies. Secondly, your miracles mean nothing to me. I could claim that any "miracle" is the work of any god, or magic, or consequence. Likewise, why would Allah use vague, strange occurrences to make Himself known? Why not just make people believe? Third, the existence of miracles don't point to a god, and existence of a god does not automatically point to religion. There are people who believe in a supreme god but do not follow any monotheistic religion.
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:20 pm
First of all He doesnt make miracles to show the other non-beleivers, he did it to show us.Noone wants the Muslims to lose faith in Allah.It happened before.2000 years after Ibrahim AS(Abraham) preached about the religon of Islam, slowly the people forgot the religon and Prophet Muhammed SAW came to teach them.It was a hard time for him.
Second of all our God doesnt lie of make Hoaxes.It is the other religon trying to break down Islam.They'll have to try much harder then distributing fake Qurans and spreading false rumours.
Surah Al Fatihah Last Ayah
Lead us to the Path of those who have done good, Not the Path of those who earned your anger (like the Jews) or have gone astray (Like the Christians)
Try reading the transalation of the Quran once in a while.
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:40 pm
fallen_vampire_immortal Well Im starting to understand your religon and why its so hard to leave it. Well do you know who made the crack on the moon?We beleive Muhammed (SAW) showed the Kafirun (Disbeleivers) a miracle but they didnt beleive him.Try to understand the religon of the One God Allah. Do you know about Dajaal? He will be born forty years before Isa (AS)[Jesus] will come back. Dajaal will force us to prostrate to him.He'll pull out our nerves and other torture tactics to force us.Its horibble. My religon is sometimes a little freaky.I searched the net for His miracles and i saw a picture of a rock.It was litrally floating!!!!! We all know about Satan. I still don't understand yours. You want me to leave my religion? I think Christianity has more to it, down to the fact that we serve a God who loves us enough to send His Son to die for us. Can you say the same for Allah? What solution does your religion offer for man's sins? And Ani, some miracles are true. There's some hoaxes, but I'd have a hard time believing that all the miracles were hoaxes coincidences or what have you. He doesn't 'just make us believe' because He wants us to choose Him. He already has angels to serve Him. But you're right, in a way. God gave us a great power with the freedom of choice. If there's a God, then it makes sense for Him to take interest in His creation. That means He probrably sent a message to humanity in some way, if He cares.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:31 am
xxEternallyBluexx fallen_vampire_immortal Well Im starting to understand your religon and why its so hard to leave it. Well do you know who made the crack on the moon?We beleive Muhammed (SAW) showed the Kafirun (Disbeleivers) a miracle but they didnt beleive him.Try to understand the religon of the One God Allah. Do you know about Dajaal? He will be born forty years before Isa (AS)[Jesus] will come back. Dajaal will force us to prostrate to him.He'll pull out our nerves and other torture tactics to force us.Its horibble. My religon is sometimes a little freaky.I searched the net for His miracles and i saw a picture of a rock.It was litrally floating!!!!! We all know about Satan. I still don't understand yours. You want me to leave my religion? I think Christianity has more to it, down to the fact that we serve a God who loves us enough to send His Son to die for us. Can you say the same for Allah? What solution does your religion offer for man's sins? And Ani, some miracles are true. There's some hoaxes, but I'd have a hard time believing that all the miracles were hoaxes coincidences or what have you. He doesn't 'just make us believe' because He wants us to choose Him. He already has angels to serve Him. But you're right, in a way. God gave us a great power with the freedom of choice. If there's a God, then it makes sense for Him to take interest in His creation. That means He probrably sent a message to humanity in some way, if He cares. There is a verse in the Quran: "Ar Rahman nir Raheem" Transalation: The most gracious and most merciful. Im not saying to leave your religon.Your life your choice. Allah forgives all sins exept Shirk.Shirk is associating partners with Allah. If someone beleives in Zeus for example that is Shirk My God has no father, brother, sister, mother or any relative.He does not eat or sleep.He is immortal.And most important, He is Oft-forgiving and All Knowing
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:53 am
fallen_vampire_immortal xxEternallyBluexx fallen_vampire_immortal Well Im starting to understand your religon and why its so hard to leave it. Well do you know who made the crack on the moon?We beleive Muhammed (SAW) showed the Kafirun (Disbeleivers) a miracle but they didnt beleive him.Try to understand the religon of the One God Allah. Do you know about Dajaal? He will be born forty years before Isa (AS)[Jesus] will come back. Dajaal will force us to prostrate to him.He'll pull out our nerves and other torture tactics to force us.Its horibble. My religon is sometimes a little freaky.I searched the net for His miracles and i saw a picture of a rock.It was litrally floating!!!!! We all know about Satan. I still don't understand yours. You want me to leave my religion? I think Christianity has more to it, down to the fact that we serve a God who loves us enough to send His Son to die for us. Can you say the same for Allah? What solution does your religion offer for man's sins? And Ani, some miracles are true. There's some hoaxes, but I'd have a hard time believing that all the miracles were hoaxes coincidences or what have you. He doesn't 'just make us believe' because He wants us to choose Him. He already has angels to serve Him. But you're right, in a way. God gave us a great power with the freedom of choice. If there's a God, then it makes sense for Him to take interest in His creation. That means He probrably sent a message to humanity in some way, if He cares. There is a verse in the Quran: "Ar Rahman nir Raheem" Transalation: The most gracious and most merciful. Im not saying to leave your religon.Your life your choice. Allah forgives all sins exept Shirk.Shirk is associating partners with Allah. If someone beleives in Zeus for example that is Shirk My God has no father, brother, sister, mother or any relative.He does not eat or sleep.He is immortal.And most important, He is Oft-forgiving and All Knowing Sorry sweatdrop but you did imply it when you said,"Well Im starting to understand your religon and why its so hard to leave it." And a just god can't just forgive. The penalty for sin was death. How does Allah free you from that penalty and still be true to his nature (assuming that justice is part of Allah's nature)?
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:06 am
xxEternallyBluexx fallen_vampire_immortal xxEternallyBluexx fallen_vampire_immortal Well Im starting to understand your religon and why its so hard to leave it. Well do you know who made the crack on the moon?We beleive Muhammed (SAW) showed the Kafirun (Disbeleivers) a miracle but they didnt beleive him.Try to understand the religon of the One God Allah. Do you know about Dajaal? He will be born forty years before Isa (AS)[Jesus] will come back. Dajaal will force us to prostrate to him.He'll pull out our nerves and other torture tactics to force us.Its horibble. My religon is sometimes a little freaky.I searched the net for His miracles and i saw a picture of a rock.It was litrally floating!!!!! We all know about Satan. I still don't understand yours. You want me to leave my religion? I think Christianity has more to it, down to the fact that we serve a God who loves us enough to send His Son to die for us. Can you say the same for Allah? What solution does your religion offer for man's sins? And Ani, some miracles are true. There's some hoaxes, but I'd have a hard time believing that all the miracles were hoaxes coincidences or what have you. He doesn't 'just make us believe' because He wants us to choose Him. He already has angels to serve Him. But you're right, in a way. God gave us a great power with the freedom of choice. If there's a God, then it makes sense for Him to take interest in His creation. That means He probrably sent a message to humanity in some way, if He cares. There is a verse in the Quran: "Ar Rahman nir Raheem" Transalation: The most gracious and most merciful. Im not saying to leave your religon.Your life your choice. Allah forgives all sins exept Shirk.Shirk is associating partners with Allah. If someone beleives in Zeus for example that is Shirk My God has no father, brother, sister, mother or any relative.He does not eat or sleep.He is immortal.And most important, He is Oft-forgiving and All Knowing Sorry sweatdrop but you did imply it when you said,"Well Im starting to understand your religon and why its so hard to leave it." And a just god can't just forgive. The penalty for sin was death. How does Allah free you from that penalty and still be true to his nature (assuming that justice is part of Allah's nature)? Justice is to the people who commit Shirk If we commit Shirk the penalty is Hell for a lifetime And Allah is Most Gracious Most Merciful
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