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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:51 am


This is my own personal guide for you all on how to EV train your Pokemon. This guide will explain what exactly are EVs, how they work and even give you a few hints about the best places on where to train for them. As this (much like the Introduction to Competitive Breeding) is still a work in progress, any and all questions are welcomed and I will do all I can to answer them to the best of my ability.


Index
What are EVs? + Vitamins + Pokerus
Training Hotspots + EV-enhancing items + Extra Information
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:54 am


What are EVs?


Effort values (often abbreviated as "EVs" and previously called "Stat XP") are attributes which give bonuses to a Pokemon's stats and improve differently depending which Pokemon they defeat. (This includes gaining experience through an EXP share.) These bonuses are gained in addition to bonuses gained by increasing level. It is often believed that a Pokemon which increases in level using a Rare Candy instead of battling does not gain any "EVs", making it weaker than a Pokemon who increases in level normally. Although, visually true, depositing your Pokemon into the PC Box, closing and then opening it back open and reclaiming it will refresh your Pokemon and all it's stats will be updated to express the EV training.

That little trick aside, roughly speaking, defeating fast Pokemon increases Speed better than fighting slow Pokemon, defeating Pokemon with high hit points improves HP more than defeating Pokemon with low HP, and so on. For example, fighting 100 Machop will improve a Pokemon's attack stat more than fighting 100 Abra of the same level, whereas the Abra will improve the Special Attack stat more.

To further explain the reason as to why, well, for every 4 EV points you invest into a particular stat, you gain one extra point in that stat at level 100. In all statistics combined, you may have a total of 510 EVs. This means you can gain up to 127 points overall. In each individual statistic however, you may only have a max of 255 EVs (Though you will only gain stat points up to 252 EVs as that is the highest obtainable number of EVs that can be obtained that are still divisible by 4). This means you can gain up to 63 extra points, in any given statistic. For those of you who are not fond of math, this means you can have 2 stats maxed out and have an extra point left over. (If you really cared to know.)

There is no way to tell how many EVs you have directly. There are a few ways, however, that you may indirectly check. At the Market in Sunyshore City there is a lady who gives an "Effort ribbon" to the first Pokemon in your party if it is completely EV trained. If your Pokemon can get the ribbon from this lady, it has all 510 EV points filled.

During training, if you feel that you have messed up somewhere, worry not. There are berries you may feed your Pokemon that decrease your EV points. These berries work differently than they did in the Advance generation. The first berry reduces the base stat to 100. After the base stat is at least 100, the EV is reduced by 10 for every berry you give it. You cannot achieve negative EVs, thus this is a good indirect way to check what a Pokemon's EVs currently are.

List of EV-affecting Berries
Pomeg Berry = Lowers EVs for HP
Kelpsy Berry = Lowers EVs for Attack
Qualot Berry = Lowers EVs for Defense
Hondew Berry = Lowers EVs for Special Attack
Grepa Berry = Lowers EVs for Special Defense
Tamato Berry = Lowers EVs for Speed


Reminder: If you plan on training a Pokemon that wasn't freshly caught/hatched, be sure to feed it as many berries listed above until no stat decreases are possible before you start EV training. This way, your ensured of a clean start.

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Vitamins


Vitamins are a key part of the EV training process, as they can make your training session go by much faster. You will find that vitamins are exceptionally useful in training EVs 100 points, or lower. Vitamins can be bought at the Veilstone department store for $9,800 each, or at the in-game Battle Tower for one point a piece.

For each vitamin you give a Pokemon, it gives it 10 EVs in that stat. You may get up to 100 EVs this way. You may only use this for the first 100 EVs in any given stat. (For example, you give your Garchomp 110 Attack EVs and then remember you haven’t used vitamins. Since you already have 100 attack EVs, you will not be able to gain any more through vitamins).


Here is a Quick List of Vitamins:
HP-UP = +10 Hit-Points EVs
Protein = +10 Attack EVs
Iron = +10 Defense EVs
Calcium = +10 Special Attack EVs
Zinc = +10 Special Defense EVs
Carbos = +10 Speed EVs


Reminder: If you plan on using any at all, always use these before you go EV training.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:55 am


Pokerus


Often referred to as an "infection", "disease" or "virus", Pokerus is a special status condition that a Pokemon may get randomly while walking around/battling wild Pokemon. The first time you have it the lady in the Poke Center will inform you about it when you go to get your Pokemon healed.

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The other way to see if you have Pokerus is to check the top left corner of the screen when you are looking at the summary of your Pokemon. If it has active Pokerus there will be a small purple box reading Pkrs (shown above).

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If it has unactive pokerus you will see a small circle with a red dot in the middle, near the bottom left hand corner (shown above).

Active Pokerus is held by your Pokemon for 3 days before it becomes inactive. However for time to pass on the "Pokerus clock", your Pokemon must be in your party, not in a box. While your Pokemon has active Pokerus it will spread it to all the other Pokemon in your party. This happens randomly while you're walking around and generally doing stuff. It has been found to be a known fact that if your Pokemon is deposited into a PC box however, it will not spread its Pokerus, but will retain it's active Pokerus long than the normal 3 day limit as long as you remember to deposit it back into a PC box after every use.

Now that we know what Pokerus is, how it spreads, and how to tell if you have it, we will discuss what it does. Plain and simple, Pokerus doubles the total of EVs you gain after a battle. This is calculate after factoring in all power items and/or macho brace.

For example, say you fight a Gyarados while wearing a Power Bracer. This would give you the base 2 EVs + the 4 EVs from the Bracer, totaling out at 6 EVs. If the Pokemon that fainted the Gyarados had Pokerus, it would gain double the total EVs, giving it 12 EVs in Attack from fighting a single wild Pokemon.

And explaination on the Power Items / Macho brace and where you can obtain them will be discussed later.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:00 pm


Training Hotspots (Diamond/Pearl/Platinum)



HP
Location: Route 212 [Surfing]
Pokemon: Wooper (1), Quagsire (2)
Levels: TBA
Comments: You will see a small body of water, which you can hope on in and surf on. In this water you will see Woopers which give one point each, and Quagsires which give 2 points each. Together they both have a 100% encounter rate, though Woopers are far more common. I suggest only training on the Woopers. This is for the pure simplicity of calculations, because when using power items, the Woopers always give an EV amount divisible by 5.

Location: Route 209 [Trainer Battle: Cowgirl Shelly]
Pokemon: Bidoof (1)
Levels: TBA
Comments: Alternatively you may use the VS Seeker to repeatedly challenge a girl on Route 209 named Cowgirl Shelly. She has 5 Bidoofs which give 1 HP EV each. She is a great alternative place.


Attack
Location: Route 229 [Fishing: Super Rod]
Pokemon: Gyarados (2)
Levels: TBA
Comments: Though attack is simpler than HP training, it requires more attention. The best place to train attack EVs is East of the Fight Area, or West of the resort area (Easier this way) on route 229. Here with your Super Rod you may fish for Gyarados, which appear 100% of the time you actually get a catch, granting you a generous 2 EV points each.

Location: Twinleaf Town [Fishing: Super Rod]
Pokemon: Seaking (2)
Levels: TBA
Comments: Another good place to fish is Twinleaf Town. Here you can encounter Seakings, which give 2 EV points in attack each as well. I realize some people have issues getting the rod to work, so here is exactly how to do it. I suggest that you first assign the Super Rod to your Y-Button. After you have done this, press your Y-Button, while standing next to the water and pay attention to the screen. When you see the exclamation point above your characters head, quickly tap the A Button once. You do not have to have super reflexes to get this right, though you do need to be paying attention.


Defense
Location: Maniac Tunnel
Pokemon: Geodude (1)
Levels: TBA
Comments: The best place to do this is in the Maniac Tunnel. This is outside of where you catch the Unown, the tunnel you actually find the guy in. Here you will find primarily Geodudes, though Hippopotas are not completely uncommon. Each of these guys give 1 EV point each for defense. The low level of these creatures make defense EV training much simpler than it might seem at first.

Location: Iron Island
Pokemon: Geodude (1), Graveler (2), Mawile (1), Onix (1), Steelix (2)
Levels: 29 - 34
Comments: Alternatively, Iron Island makes a great spot for training Defense as well but due to the higher levels and the varying amount of EVs yielded by the Pokemon in this area, you will definitely need to pay closer attention to your training.

Location: Oreburgh Mine
Pokemon: Geodude (1), Onix (1)
Levels: 4 -10
Comments: N/A


Special Attack
Location: Resort Area [Surfing]
Pokemon: Golduck (2)
Levels: TBA
Comments: The best place to train this is in the Resort Area. In this small little town you will find a small pool of water near the bottom right-hand corner of the town. In this pool of water you may surf, and find Golducks. These guys give a generous 2 EV points for everyone you faint. On top of that, they are a 100% encounter rate.

Location: Old Chateau
Pokemon: Gastly (1), Haunter (2), Gengar (3)
Levels: TBA
Comments: Another place you may train special attack is in the Old Chateau, though it is only worth it if you have a GBA Pokemon game. Here you will find Gastlys that give 1 special attack EV each. If you have a GBA game inserted into your DS, you will also encounter Haunter and Gengar. These guys give 2 and 3 special attack EVs each, respectively.


Special Defense
Location: Route 223 [Surfing]
Pokemon: Mantyke (1), Tentacruel (2)
Levels: TBA
Comments: The best place to train this stat, is North of Sunyshore city. Once you’ve flown there, head North until you find Jasmine, the Steel Type Gym Leader from GSC who gives you the HM. Now, swim out into the water. Here you will find, Tentacruels. They are a 60% encounter rate. You will occasionally run into Mantykes, who gives 1 Special Defense EV each.

Location: Pastoria City [Surfing]
Pokemon: Tentacool (1)
Levels: TBA
Comments: An alternative and possibly better place to train is in Pastoria City. East of the Move Tutor's home you will see a pool of water. If you surf in here you will encounter Tentacools which give 1 special defense EV each. This is a 100% encounter.


Speed
Location: Route 205 [Trainer Battle: Fisherman Andrew]
Pokemon: Magikarp (1)
Levels: TBA
Comments: The best way is using the Versus Seeker. On Route 205, you will find many fishermen fishing. (You get to Route 205 by exiting Eterna City via the eastern exit.) Challenge the second fisherman from the right, Fisherman Andrew. He has 6 Magikarps that give 1 Speed EV each.

Location: Route 226
Pokemon: Spearow (1), Fearow (2), Ratatta (1), Raticate (2),
Levels: TBA
Comments: There is however another good training area. You will find the training area east of the Survival area. Head east of the Poke center until you find a place you can rock climb. Climb up, and you are on the ledges. Here you will find Fearows and Raticates, both of which give 2 speed EV points each. You also (though much more rarely) find their pre-evolved forms, Rattata and Spearow, who offer 1 EV point each. The reason EV training here is not as effective as fighting Fisherman Andrew, is the lack of a 100% encounter rate. You will find that Golduck and Machoke are fairly common here. Though this makes the location inferior to Fisherman Andrew, it is still a good place to train.

Location: Twinleaf Town [Fishing: Old Rod]
Pokemon: Magikarp (1)
Levels: 3 - 10
Comments: This area can be sometimes be a decent alternative to the two listed above, but seeing how inaccurate (and frustrating) the Old Rod can be, this might slow down your training a bit. However, with the Old Rod, Magikarps here have a 100% encounter rate and most are too low level to do anything except Splash.

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Training Hotspots (HeartGold/SoulSilver)



HP
Location: Union Cave [First Floor, Surfing] and Cliff's Edge Gate [Surfing]
Pokemon: Wooper (1), Quagsire (2)
Levels: 10-25 / 20-40
Comment: Cool spots, and they'll be the only ones you'll find for both places. For Cliff's Edge Gate, though, you will need Rock Climb to access it, but you at least get higher-levelled Woopers and Quagsires.


Location: Slowpoke Well [First Floor, Surfing]
Pokemon: Slowpoke (1)
Levels: 5-25
Comment: Yup, it's the only one you'll find when you surf, so enjoy killing Slowpoke and it's 100% encounter rate!


Location: National Park [Nighttime]
Pokemon: Hoothoot (1)
Levels: 10-14
Comment: Don't like Surfing? Go to National Park at Nighttime and enjoy all the Hoothoot. HeartGold users have Caterpie as an option during Morning and Daytime, which also gives 1 HP EV.


Location: Route 15 [Nighttime]
Pokemon: Nidorina (2), Noctowl (2), Quagsire (2), Chansey (2)
Levels: 23-25
Comment: N/A


Attack
Location: Route 42 [Surfing]
Pokemon: Goldeen (1), Seaking (2)
Levels: 10-25
Comment: These are the only Pokemon you'll find in this route, which makes it quite a good hotspot.

Location: Lake of Rage [Fishing: Super Rod]
Pokemon: Gyarados (2)
Levels: TBA
Comment: Minus the occasional Magikarp, the Gyarados are biting quite frequently hear, although a bit inferior to the previous training spot due to that simply Magikarp annoyance.


Defense
Location: Route 45
Pokemon: Geodude (1), Graveler (2), Gligar* (1), Skarmory* (2)
Levels: 23-27
Comment: A very good training spot and there's lots of grassy spots to choose from. Gligar is exclusive to HeartGold, while Skarmory is exclusive to SoulSilver.

Location: Victory Road (All Floors)
Pokemon: Onix (1), Rhyhorn (1), Graveler (2), Bronzor* (1)
Levels: 32-36
Comment: Bronzor can only be found through Sinnoh Sound. More or less an okay-ish spot. Despite there also being Donphan in this area, try to avoid training off of them as they deceptively yields 1 Attack and 1 Defense EVs.


Special Attack
Location: Route 43
Pokemon: Mareep (1), Flaaffy (2), Girafarig (2)
Levels: 15-16
Comment: A nice route, as Flaaffy and Girafarig are the most common.

Location: Ilex Forest [Surfing]
Pokemon: Psyduck (1), Golduck (2)
Levels: 5-20
Comment: Unlike Diamond and Pearl, it's a shame Golduck's quite rare in Johto. At least here, there are psyducks-a-plenty for your training needs.


Special Defense
Location: Route 41 [Surfing]
Pokemon: Tentacool (1), Tentacruel (2), Mantine* (2)
Levels: 15-25
Comment: The only thing this route has that other surfing routes don't is... Mantine. The only problem is, it's exclusive to HeartGold. Should you want to kill more jellyfish, Tentacool and Tentacruel can be found in almost all the places where you can surf.


Speed
Location: Route 38 and Route 39
Pokemon: Raticate (2), Rattata* (1), Meowth* (1), Plusle* (1), Minun* (1)
Levels: 13-16
Comment: There are a lot more Pokemon you can battle in these routes, but the first three are the most common, so it's a decent spot. Rattata will only be found in these routes if you're playing HeartGold, and likewise for Meowth for SoulSilver. Plusle and Minun can only be found through the Hoenn Sound. Note that both routes have the exact same Pokemon.

Location: Route 7
Pokemon: Spearow (1), Rattata (1), Raticate (2), Murkrow* (1), Meowth* (1), Vulpix* (1), Persian* (2), Plusle* (1), Minun* (1)
Levels: 15-19
Comment: This area is much, MUCH better if you're playing SoulSilver, as the final three Pokemon [Meowth, Vulpix and Persian] are exclusive to that game. Furthermore, Murkrow is only available at night, while Spearow is only available during Morning and Daytime. Plusle and Minun are available through
Hoenn Sound.

Location: Route 9
Pokemon: Rattata (1), Raticate (2), Spearow* (1), Fearow* (2), Linoone* (2)
Levels: 13-15
Comment: Just like Route 7, this area is better in SoulSilver, since these will be the only Pokemon you'll see in the route's grass. HeartGold doesn't have it bad, though, since their exclusives, Mankey and Primeape, both give Attack EVs,
which means this route is really good for traing Physical Attackers/Sweepers. Spearow and Fearow are only available during Morning and Day, while Linoone is only available through Hoenn Sound.

Location: Route 10
Pokemon: Raticate (2), Voltorb (1), Electabuzz (2), Spearow* (1), Fearow* (2)
Levels: 15-18
Comment: Unlike the two previously mentioned routes, the Pokemon here are available to both versions. Spearow and Fearow are only available during Morning and Day, while Linoone is only available through Hoenn Sound.

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Additional Training Tips/Tricks


Training Split EVs

"Split EV training" is a method you may employ if you find training any given stat too difficult. It is not always practical, however, for you must train two EVs at once to use this method and for your average player, can cause great confusion. In either case, to train split EVs you must be in possession of one or more power items, depending upon which stat(s) you wish to train. Split EV training is when you attach a Power Item to your Pokemon that gains it different EVs than the wild Pokemon you are fighting. (For example, attaching a Power Band to your Pokemon while fainting Geodudes, will grant you 1 Defense and 4 Special Defense EVs for every Geodude you faint.) There really isn't much else to say on this method except that like explained above, it may be easy to get lost on exactly how many EVs you've trained where and will prove problematic without keeping close track of what EVs you've gained.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:26 pm


EV-enhancing items


EV-enhancing items are items which enhance the EVs gained when a wild Pokemon is defeated. All of them halve the Speed of the Pokemon holding them in battle while they are being held.

List of EV-enhancing items:
    Macho Brace
  • Doubles any effort values the Pokemon holding it gets, but halves its Speed in battle. Stacks with Pokerus.

  • It can be obtained as a gift from a boy in Pastoria City after showing him all three forms of Burmy (D/P) or both genders of Combee (Pt).

    Power Weight
  • Promotes HP EV gain on level up, but halves Speed stat in battle. Adds 4 EVs regardless of the Pokemon fought. Is doubled by Pokerus.

    Power Bracer
  • Promotes Attack EV gain on level up, but halves Speed stat in battle. Adds 4 EVs regardless of the Pokemon fought. Is doubled by Pokerus.

    Power Belt
  • Promotes Defense EV gain on level up, but halves Speed stat in battle. Adds 4 EVs regardless of the Pokemon fought. Is doubled by Pokerus.

    Power Lens
  • Promotes Special Attack EV gain on level up, but halves Speed stat in battle. Adds 4 EVs regardless of the Pokemon fought. Is doubled by Pokerus.

    Power Band
  • Promotes Special Defense EV gain on level up, but halves Speed stat in battle. Adds 4 EVs regardless of the Pokemon fought. Is doubled by Pokerus.

    Power Anklet
  • Promotes Speed EV gain on level up, but halves Speed stat in battle. Adds 4 EVs regardless of the Pokemon fought. Is doubled by Pokerus.


Getting the Power Items

Power items are items that can be held by your Pokemon. These nifty little things increase the EVs you receive at the end of a battle, by four. What stat they raise depends on which item it is (details listed above). All of the Power items are obtained by purchasing them at the Battle Tower Gift Shop. Each of the items cost 16 BP each and there are 6 to buy. A set will cost you 96 BP. If you plan on EV training quite a bit, I highly recommend you opt for obtaining your very own set if possible. I'm also quite sure they can be obtained from quite a few members in the Trading section of this guild, if your wanting to bypass the grueling process of taking on the in-game battle tower.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:28 pm


F.A.Q.


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I have a Treecko lead with a Power Anklet and a Tangela with EXP share. Both have Pokerus. Treecko kills a Buizel for a base 1 Speed EV. How many EVs does each one get?

Treecko gets 10 Speed EVs, Tangela gets 2 Speed EV.

Nitrox Dragon
I have a Treecko with a Power Anklet and a Tangela with a Power Anklet. Both have Pokerus. Tangela leads the battle with a Buizel and switches out to Treecko. Treecko kills a Buizel for a base 1 Speed EV. How many EVs does each one get?

In that exact scenario, they both should earn 10 Speed EVs.

Nitrox Dragon
I have a level 100 Dialga lead and a Tangela with an EXP Share and Pokerus. Dialga kills a Buizel for a base 1 Speed EV. How many EVs does Tangela get?

Dialga obviously gets 0 Speed EVs as it can no longer earn any experience points, but Tangela should still get 2 Speed EVs.

Nitrox Dragon
I have a level 100 Dialga lead and a Tangela with a Power Anklet and Pokerus. Tangela leads the battle with a Buizel and switches to Dialga. Dialga kills a Buizel for a base 1 Speed EV. How many EVs does Tangela get?

Tangela should still earn 10 Speed EVs, Dialga shouldn't earn any.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:01 pm


how were you able to figure it out?

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Awesome guide, though I am not sure how do I find what stat I want for a pokemon... is there someone in game who tells me? Because I think I remember seeing this person...
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Awesome guide, though I am not sure how do I find what stat I want for a pokemon... is there someone in game who tells me? Because I think I remember seeing this person...

Well there´s plenty of internet sites with a few suggestions on that matter... but most trainers do well in training their higher base stats...
pokémon like aerodactyl are mostly trained in Speed since 130 in speed stat is just awesome, just in pair with crobat and jolteon, and hitting first is always a plus in the game...
You must also notice... most pokémon have very lame base speed stat... such as snorlax or slowbro... those since no matter what will rarely outspeed anything over 60 base in stat, must not be trained in that one... but to focus on their ability to survive... HP, DEF, SP Defense... or given the circunstances, Attack or SP Attack

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felinoel
Awesome guide, though I am not sure how do I find what stat I want for a pokemon... is there someone in game who tells me? Because I think I remember seeing this person...

Well there´s plenty of internet sites with a few suggestions on that matter... but most trainers do well in training their higher base stats...
pokémon like aerodactyl are mostly trained in Speed since 130 in speed stat is just awesome, just in pair with crobat and jolteon, and hitting first is always a plus in the game...
You must also notice... most pokémon have very lame base speed stat... such as snorlax or slowbro... those since no matter what will rarely outspeed anything over 60 base in stat, must not be trained in that one... but to focus on their ability to survive... HP, DEF, SP Defense... or given the circunstances, Attack or SP Attack
Oh so it is my choice? Should I go by their natures then?
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felinoel
Awesome guide, though I am not sure how do I find what stat I want for a pokemon... is there someone in game who tells me? Because I think I remember seeing this person...

Well there´s plenty of internet sites with a few suggestions on that matter... but most trainers do well in training their higher base stats...
pokémon like aerodactyl are mostly trained in Speed since 130 in speed stat is just awesome, just in pair with crobat and jolteon, and hitting first is always a plus in the game...
You must also notice... most pokémon have very lame base speed stat... such as snorlax or slowbro... those since no matter what will rarely outspeed anything over 60 base in stat, must not be trained in that one... but to focus on their ability to survive... HP, DEF, SP Defense... or given the circunstances, Attack or SP Attack
Oh so it is my choice? Should I go by their natures then?

Not likely, some natures just hinder a good base stat... To get the right nature to train is also part of the whole training process
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:07 pm


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felinoel
Awesome guide, though I am not sure how do I find what stat I want for a pokemon... is there someone in game who tells me? Because I think I remember seeing this person...

Well there´s plenty of internet sites with a few suggestions on that matter... but most trainers do well in training their higher base stats...
pokémon like aerodactyl are mostly trained in Speed since 130 in speed stat is just awesome, just in pair with crobat and jolteon, and hitting first is always a plus in the game...
You must also notice... most pokémon have very lame base speed stat... such as snorlax or slowbro... those since no matter what will rarely outspeed anything over 60 base in stat, must not be trained in that one... but to focus on their ability to survive... HP, DEF, SP Defense... or given the circunstances, Attack or SP Attack
Oh so it is my choice? Should I go by their natures then?

Not likely, some natures just hinder a good base stat... To get the right nature to train is also part of the whole training process
Oh, see I thought I would have to start over with new pokemon, but someone else told me I wouldn't...

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