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Koiyuki
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:46 am


Alright, since some people don't think we're using our brains, i've decided to throw out a hardball question for ya'll to discuss: What is the difference between good and evil, and what sepereates the two from each other?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:26 pm


Yay I'm first!

Well this might be a bit cliché but I'm gonna have to say that there is no real definition of good or evil. As much as I can tell you how that is defined simply where and who you grew up with or around. This is another Nature vs. Nurture situation. What your family deems as wrong or evil may be the complete opposite to mine. But the greatest contributor to the good/bad labeling I would say would have to be religion. Whether you have one or not, religion effects actions or the lack thereof. For example: Let's take a trip to our Middle Eastern counterparts and a little place known as the Gaza Strip. There have been constant conflicts between the two mainly because of religion (Jewish and Arab factions) in a recent report one Arab radical was quoted as saying that because of their "wicked and evil way of life and beliefs." That they were not worthy to occupy the same area as [Arab affiliates] So All I can really say is that there is no real answer to that question my friend because in retrospect there are no real solid bases of good and evil on any plateau of thinking.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:56 pm


I would have to say the same thing. Reality is all about perception. Your reality may be different from mine. You may believe that the war in Iraq is an illusion. It's not exactly a popular perception, but it's a perception nonetheless.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:35 am


Good and Evil? Well, no huge differences. Often times the twin roads lead to the same place, but take different paths. For example, Most see evil as selfish, cruel and wrong, whereas good is selfless, gentle, and right.

Bah, two sides fo the same coin, if you ask me. Does not the devil call the angel evil? Perhaps in his mind, the angel is the evil one.

Now, insofar as an object being evil... it can't be. Just people, in my opinion, can be evil. The rest if just chaos.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:41 pm


Hmm... A question that seems to have a straight answer, yet it doesn't. Many people, and I tend to agree, say that good is in the nature of everything, since no one causes harm to someone naturally without having a reason. (For example, you kill to eat, not becaue you revel in the pleasure of the victim's suffering, etc.)

While there is no defining feature for my take on good, I'd say that everything that causes intentional harm to someone else without some valid, natural, logical reason, is wrong. Sure, you may have a good intention, but the act was wrong. It's really hard for me to put it in words, so I'll just leave it at that to be corrected as you guys see fit.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:11 pm


Both of them are human constructs and as such have no validity other than human experience. Most people would call most hedonistic activities as ambiguosly wrong, or having a morality tied to personal choice. Other activities such as murder, which have a negative effective on others are usually seen as unambiguously bad. Though murder can be justified if it is for a good cause. Some people on the good cause fence say this is all boulderash and they would never go about killing people. Yet, a kid having a bit of self exploration is hardly comparable to the actions of a Nicaraguan death squad.

Evil actions can become good when "used" against people that themselves are evil. Since these "evil people" think they themselves have the right of justifying their means with actions. A bunch of gray areas arise.

Finally it becomes a personal choice. They are nothing but constructs, words and beleifs.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:01 am


I tend to agree that Good and Evil is a concept that we created years gone past because we started to question people, their intentions and their actions. The difference is, is that we associate postivity for the good and negativity for the evil side of things, which isn't neccesarily true all the time.

Take for instance people who preach good morals and portray a good positive image, who actually molests children for their own pleasure? Our general society and our morals dictate that this is extremely wrong and the person should be punished. Whereas, there could be a reason for it, such as the child who is a teenager instigated it and requested the older seemingly "bad" person to fondle them.

I'm not saying molestation is good, seeing as I once was molested by my older sister. I'm saying that statutory rape is null and void if both parties are willing, regardless if the parents think otherwise.

This is when the whole Eastern train of thought of Yin and Yang is more favourable, at least in my opinion and beliefs. "There's a little good in bad, and a little bad in good." I'm a generally good person, yet it does not stop me from thinking of axing my mother once in a while. But essentially, I'm considered "good." According societal norms. It is when I cross the boundaries and act on my intentions that would classify me as evil. But if my reason behind the killing was that she was destroying my soul or hurting me, would that make me inherently evil or good? I would think what seperates good from evil is the according to the person mostly, but also whether there is justice behind the action/intention or not.

Everybody defines good and evil differently. This would be saying should the death penality be placed, or whether abortion should be legal or not. All wholly dependable on how you interpret the situation.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:23 am


Ok, back away you feebleminded pervert-PHDed masses! There only but one true evil, so gruesome that none of you would dare think it twice because if you did, you would be...well, err; you SHOULD be ashamed! That's right boys and gals, I am talking about breast reduction! That villainlous b*****d that lurk behind every corner of our well-endowed women's blame-train!

Scientifically, large mamaries are sizzling hot. This was taking by reference of the general male public (page 1, line 1, word 1). Would World chaos and World wars be fixed by the removal of this vile, evil, devilous thing called reduction? Yes! And I will prove it, by the power of unimportant online blabber!

You see, when you consider what is good in this world (a.k.a. breasts, if you haven't caught the clue train yet) a girl, bare-chested, at a party, reaking of ellusive/questionable odor of certain breverages, smiling at the masses and boucing up and down, side to side, giving out the most radiant (or oblivious, whichever) smile there is; that is the good in this world there is to save. Huge tattas (real, not plastic, thank you) are the pride of every man's fantasy.

FBI agent have recently stumbled accross something shocking; Islam is trying to bring forth worst evil than the removal of the one most pleasurable spot there is known to the Human specie; worst evil indeed; they implemented upon our female masses that all their problems are sprouted forth from one source; their tits.

I have to say, this is pretty evil. I mean, even for Islam, with their totally odd ways of worshipping something that is ultimatly crual, disgusting, thieving and not to mention stupid (my post, not your; if you're obsessive religious; shove it); giving the option of removing joy in the face of HALF the population of the world...is pretty harsh. In their countries, they have the other half that are devoid of joy. b*****d they are.

This thing, breasts reduction, is contagious. It infects the women's minds with things such as: "make sure he loves you, remove your tits; then you'll see his true colors". When the poor girl does, looking like a broken hourglass, asks her ******** if he/he/whatever loves her the way she is, not the way she looks, and that ******** screams, removes his eye, burns his hands to lose sensation and then says he does...then disappears into the night...that girl cannot get what she had. There will be no more jiggles at the parties, there will be no more radiant/oblivious smiles on her face. No, ladies and gentlemen, there will be the look of concern; concern and doubt...for as long as it is the way of the terrorists back in wherever they are now.

Now, you might say that I make little to no sense; well, let me tell you that: as YOU a terrorist. If you are there is an exit with the back button on your browser. Thanks. Now, if I stop getting interrupted by the voices in my head, I shall continue.

See, this is what is between evil and good. Existence and nothing. There and not. Here and there. Tomorrow and... err... terrorists. One will always be the opposite of what the other is. That is why it is so easy to do evil as it is easy to do good. But often, evil is harder to undo than good. The Islam are counting on this mouvement to destroy the rest of the "Infidel's world". Once all our precious, tatta rubbing, jiggle fest of women we posses are nothing more than individuals with rights, burnt bras, more ideas than jack Thompson's bad rep, b***h fest about the good ol' days (the day after)...us men will depart in search for the new land...the land of the Islam, where we will find our long lost fantasy source, the titties. That way, the terrorist would have defeated us.

But I say this; screw them, bring your own boobless gal if you care truely about amazing sex and sweet sweet jiggles; get the best of both handicapped world. Get the titties and the kitties, united!

I say stand your ground against evil, and do what is good. Grab the woman beside you and say your are doing it for what you believe in, and the future of the new generations to come. Grab them boobies. Massage them, make them feel needed and nice and good and headlighties like they are meant to be. Boobs are something that should be shared! Rawr!!

...how was that?

Skire


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:59 am


Skire, My heart, my soul, my p***s and I salute you. crying That.... was beautiful....
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:07 am


Lord Vyce
Skire, My heart, my soul, my p***s and I salute you. crying That.... was beautiful....
Oh shucks Vyce, Hehe.

Skire


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 11:17 am


The truth is that there is no such things as good and evil. Those are two words created by the victors of war. As they are the victors, they elevate their position with righteous justification of their cause making them "Good." At the same time, they lyonize their conquered foes and blame them for the troubles that existed before their struggle, thus making them "Evil." Now, reverse the positions, and the story told by the defeated is the exact opposite. They have been beaten down and opressed by the current party in power. The ruling party is unjustly discriminating against them and they are evil and must be replaced. Having done nothing wrong, the conquered party feels it is their duty to restore "balance" so that everybody is treated equally again. Therefore, this makes them "Good."
In reality, both sides are exactly the same. They are pursuing their motives by any means necessary. They are not good, nor are they evil. They just are.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:19 am


My basic view:
Good actions = anything that causes happiness or joy
Bad actions = anything that may cause unhappiness or disease
Uh those definitions are full of holes, but basically If someone does something with the intention to inflict misery, thats bad.
And vice versa.
As for good and evil people... well we are all what we were made to be. The way we were raised etc. affects how we act, so to an extent people are not entirely responsible for their actions.

Bonbonquark


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:43 am


Seems like you scholars have touched upon everything, but I can't deny you of my short answer....that would just be evil.

Good and evil is defined through the society of any given individual. As an american we are told that abortion is evil by half the population and not evil by the other half. Sooo, good and evil, right and wrong are pretty much determined by the social group you are associated with.

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