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Neferet -House of Night- Crew
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 Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:46 am
It's a good question. Can Homosexuals be Christian? Where does it say that they're prohibited?
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:02 am
no where, there are denominations out there that fully embrace homosexuals, there are even homosexual pastors, priests, and evangelists. It's a bit of a thorn in their back though because they either have to disregard the whole OT or just gloss over Leviticus, but the scriptures can be interpreted many different ways so it isn't that hard.
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Neferet -House of Night- Crew
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:35 am
Someoneiknow no where, there are denominations out there that fully embrace homosexuals, there are even homosexual pastors, priests, and evangelists. It's a bit of a thorn in their back though because they either have to disregard the whole OT or just gloss over Leviticus, but the scriptures can be interpreted many different ways so it isn't that hard. Exactly. It's even harder when you have some Christians that claim there is only one interpretation of the Bible and that there are no gray areas. That everything concerning the Bible is clearly black and white. Which is what a good friend of mine told me. She used to be so open minded.
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:15 am
Can they be Christians? Yes, bu the definition of Christianity. Can they still be homosexual and be saved and go to heaven and all that? According to many denominations, no.
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:56 pm
I do think that a homosexual can be a Christian. Though, I do not beleive or agree that Homosexuality is natural... I don't see why not. Homosexuality is just like every other sin, I suppose.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:42 am
Yes, they can.
And I am not convince that the Bible gives us enough reasons to tell that homosexual relationships are a sin.
Don't even mention Leviticus because obviously it's full of rules that Christians don't follow and don't see them as appliable to them at all. So you can't just pick and choose from the law if you don't accept it all.
Then there are some parts in the NT too, I think in Paul's letters. But we still have to remember that we have to study the Bible in its historical and cultural context. Some parts of it are related specifically to a certain culture or situation. Apparently homosexual acts were a part of cultures that worshipped other gods than Yahweh and thus Christians were forbidden from that. But the Bible doesn't actually tell us anything about homosexual relationships - as not only sexual acts of lust but as real comitted and loving relationships. Lust is wrong because we should have real love for a person and not just want their body. But I'm not convinced that Jesus really is against a loving and comitted relationship just because the persons happen to be of the same sex.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:43 am
Yes. Gene Robinson is openly gay and has a partner. He is a bishop for the Episcopal Church.
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:35 am
Kimihiro_Watanuki Can they be Christians? Yes, bu the definition of Christianity. Can they still be homosexual and be saved and go to heaven and all that? According to many denominations, no. How can they not go to Heaven, though? If homosexuality is a sin, then it's just as bad as Christian who has a habit of lying. Sin is sin, and sinners go to Heaven - why would someone homosexual be specially condemned and exempted of this? They can be as Christian as anyone else out there in the world. I think that there are members of certain denominations that love to judge and condemn people, but nowhere in the Bible has it ever said that 'all homosexuals are going to hell'.
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Neferet -House of Night- Crew
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:03 am
Watagashi Kimihiro_Watanuki Can they be Christians? Yes, bu the definition of Christianity. Can they still be homosexual and be saved and go to heaven and all that? According to many denominations, no. How can they not go to Heaven, though? If homosexuality is a sin, then it's just as bad as Christian who has a habit of lying. Sin is sin, and sinners go to Heaven - why would someone homosexual be specially condemned and exempted of this? They can be as Christian as anyone else out there in the world. I think that there are members of certain denominations that love to judge and condemn people, but nowhere in the Bible has it ever said that 'all homosexuals are going to hell'. I debated a guy once and he told me that in the Bible it said that homosexuals won't be able to go to heaven, however it didn't say exactly that they were going to hell.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:40 pm
-xXLady RaiXx- Watagashi Kimihiro_Watanuki Can they be Christians? Yes, bu the definition of Christianity. Can they still be homosexual and be saved and go to heaven and all that? According to many denominations, no. How can they not go to Heaven, though? If homosexuality is a sin, then it's just as bad as Christian who has a habit of lying. Sin is sin, and sinners go to Heaven - why would someone homosexual be specially condemned and exempted of this? They can be as Christian as anyone else out there in the world. I think that there are members of certain denominations that love to judge and condemn people, but nowhere in the Bible has it ever said that 'all homosexuals are going to hell'. I debated a guy once and he told me that in the Bible it said that homosexuals won't be able to go to heaven, however it didn't say exactly that they were going to hell. this is because of the dualism elements that are set up in many protestant denominations. That if one is not going to Heaven, means that someone is going to hell. This dualism also extents to the saying, "you are not with God, then you are against him". Hence why many protestant believe that those that are not "saved," are going hell.
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:07 am
Watagashi How can they not go to Heaven, though? Because they would have not repented of the sin. And no, I don't mean the layman's repentance when one just says their sorry. I mean the Biblical repentance in which you admit to a sin and then make a conscious effort to avoid committing that sin again. So again, you can be a homosexual and be a Christian, but you cannot be a homosexual and go to Heaven. Watagashi If homosexuality is a sin, then it's just as bad as Christian who has a habit of lying. And habitual liars don't get into Heaven either. You can be a liar and be a Christian, but you cannot be a liar and get into Heaven. The key is to repent of either sin, and then make the effort to avoid committing the sin. Watagashi Sin is sin, and sinners go to Heaven - why would someone homosexual be specially condemned and exempted of this? No. Saved people go to heaven. Sinners go to Hell. Read your Bible. Watagashi They can be as Christian as anyone else out there in the world. But they cannot be saved. Watagashi I think that there are members of certain denominations that love to judge and condemn people, but nowhere in the Bible has it ever said that 'all homosexuals are going to hell'. Ha. My father is the pastor of a Non-denominational church as has admitted he's offended by the mere mention of homosexuality. It has nothing to do with denomination, and everything to do with the Bible. God despises homosexuality. The goal of Christians is to become more like God. Thus, Christians must despise homosexuality also. If you really believe that tripe that God is just gonna let anyone into Heaven if they're sorry enough, I suggest you bring a scriptural basis with it.
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:12 am
rmcdra -xXLady RaiXx- Watagashi Kimihiro_Watanuki Can they be Christians? Yes, bu the definition of Christianity. Can they still be homosexual and be saved and go to heaven and all that? According to many denominations, no. How can they not go to Heaven, though? If homosexuality is a sin, then it's just as bad as Christian who has a habit of lying. Sin is sin, and sinners go to Heaven - why would someone homosexual be specially condemned and exempted of this? They can be as Christian as anyone else out there in the world. I think that there are members of certain denominations that love to judge and condemn people, but nowhere in the Bible has it ever said that 'all homosexuals are going to hell'. I debated a guy once and he told me that in the Bible it said that homosexuals won't be able to go to heaven, however it didn't say exactly that they were going to hell. this is because of the dualism elements that are set up in many protestant denominations. That if one is not going to Heaven, means that someone is going to hell. This dualism also extents to the saying, "you are not with God, then you are against him". Hence why many protestant believe that those that are not "saved," are going hell. Revelation 3:16 from Young's Literal: So -- because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to vomit thee out of my mouth; Clearly, you must be saved. This is not Protestant, this is Biblical. Either you are for God, or you are against him. And if you are against him, he will "vomit thee out of" his "mouth."
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:47 am
Kimihiro_Watanuki, or anyone who believes homosexual relationships are sinful, what biblical support do you have for the claim that they are sinful? And please read my previous post in this thread before replying, because I [briefly] touched some of the commonly cited "reasons" there and said why they don't apply.
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:25 am
Kimihiro_Watanuki rmcdra -xXLady RaiXx- Watagashi Kimihiro_Watanuki Can they be Christians? Yes, bu the definition of Christianity. Can they still be homosexual and be saved and go to heaven and all that? According to many denominations, no. How can they not go to Heaven, though? If homosexuality is a sin, then it's just as bad as Christian who has a habit of lying. Sin is sin, and sinners go to Heaven - why would someone homosexual be specially condemned and exempted of this? They can be as Christian as anyone else out there in the world. I think that there are members of certain denominations that love to judge and condemn people, but nowhere in the Bible has it ever said that 'all homosexuals are going to hell'. I debated a guy once and he told me that in the Bible it said that homosexuals won't be able to go to heaven, however it didn't say exactly that they were going to hell. this is because of the dualism elements that are set up in many protestant denominations. That if one is not going to Heaven, means that someone is going to hell. This dualism also extents to the saying, "you are not with God, then you are against him". Hence why many protestant believe that those that are not "saved," are going hell. Revelation 3:16 from Young's Literal: So -- because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to vomit thee out of my mouth; Clearly, you must be saved. This is not Protestant, this is Biblical. Either you are for God, or you are against him. And if you are against him, he will "vomit thee out of" his "mouth." Yes this is true but this quote is not about the saved or unsaved. It is about going all the way with doing the right thing as a Christian. And yes "saved" is a Protestant construct Catechism of the Catholic Church 1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."62 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:32 am
Luz Melian Kimihiro_Watanuki, or anyone who believes homosexual relationships are sinful, what biblical support do you have for the claim that they are sinful? And please read my previous post in this thread before replying, because I [briefly] touched some of the commonly cited "reasons" there and said why they don't apply. I don't personal believe they are sinful. I'm not a Christian. I simply point out flaws where I see them. What annoys me is these Christians who want to make Christianity acceptable to everyone by twisting and warping it. Your touching on Leviticus makes no sense. The fact of the matter is Leviticus 20:13 clearly states that, at the very least, homosexual sex between two men is an abomination to God. It also says "they shall certainly be put to death; their blood is on them." (Young's Literal) Paul's letters have nothing to do with context, time, or culture. Even though homosexuality was practices as a part of Pagan religions during that time, Paul did not say that homosexuality was a sin because of that. Even though Paul does say that God gave them up to their lust for one another, he does not say this lust was caused by their religion. Romans 1:26-27 from Young's Literal: 26Because of this did God give them up to dishonourable affections, for even their females did change the natural use into that against nature; 27and in like manner also the males having left the natural use of the female, did burn in their longing toward one another; males with males working shame, and the recompense of their error that was fit, in themselves receiving. Now, at least, homosexual sex between men and women is condemned in the Bible. The only reason you are not convinced is because you refuse to read the Bible literally, as 2 Timothy 2:15 states, and you have been brainwashed by the liberal church who wants to make Christianity seem like a touchy-feely religion of peace and love.
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