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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:37 pm


America. You wished for him. You elected him.
Is the death of millions what you wished for as well?


Yahoo News Article.



"WASHINGTON – In a long-expected move, President Barack Obama plans to sign an executive order ending the ban on federal funds for international groups that perform abortions or provide information on the option, officials told The Associated Press on Friday.


Liberal groups welcomed the decision while abortion rights foes criticized the president. Known as the "Mexico City policy," the ban has been reinstated and then reversed by Republican and Democratic presidents since GOP President Ronald Reagan established it in 1984. President Bill Clinton ended the ban in 1993, but President George W. Bush re-instituted it in 2001 as one of his first acts in office.


The policy bans U.S. taxpayer money, usually in the form of U.S. Agency for International Development funds, from going to international family planning groups that either offer abortions or provide information, counseling or referrals about abortion. It is also known as the "global gag rule," because it prohibits taxpayer funding for groups that lobby to legalize abortion or promote it as a family planning method.


The Democratic official and senior U.S. official who disclosed the plans did so on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to pre-empt Obama's announcement.


Obama was expected to sign the executive order at a low-key event, one day after the 36th anniversary of the landmark Supreme Court ruling in Roe v. Wade that legalized abortion.


The move was not a surprise as both Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who will oversee foreign aid, had promised to do away with the gag rule during the presidential campaign. Clinton is to visit the U.S. Agency for International Development, through which much U.S. foreign aid is disbursed, later on Friday.


Obama has spent his first days in office systematically signing executive orders reversing Bush administration policies on issues ranging from foreign policy to government operations. But, save for ending the ban, Obama has largely refrained from wading into ideological issues, perhaps to avoid being tagged a traditional partisan from the outset after his campaign promises to change "business as usual" in the often partisan-gridlocked capital.


Rather, Obama has chosen to focus initially on issues in which there is consensus across the political spectrum and support from the public, such as closing the prison camp for suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to making government documents more accessible.


In a move related to the lifting of the abortion ban, Obama also is expected to restore funding to the U.N. Population Fund (UNFPA) at his earliest opportunity, probably in the next budget. Both he and Clinton made this a campaign issue.


The Bush administration had barred U.S. money from going to the fund, contending that work in China supported a Chinese family planning policy of coercive abortion and involuntary sterilization. UNFPA has vehemently denied that it does.


Organizations that had pressed Obama to make the abortion-ban change were jubilant.


"Women's health has been severely impacted by the cutoff of assistance. President Obama's actions will help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, abortions and women dying from high-risk pregnancies because they don't have access to family planning," said Tod Preston, a spokesman for Population Action International, an advocacy group.


Anti-abortion groups criticized the move.


"President Obama not long ago told the American people that he would support policies to reduce abortions, but today he is effectively guaranteeing more abortions by funding groups that promote abortion as a method of population control," said Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee.
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I leave no comment.


God Forgive Us Our Sins And Keep In Your Heart The Souls Of The Unborn.


Our Father
Who Art In Heaven
Hallowed Be Thy Name.

Thy Kingdom Come, Thy Will Be Done.

On Earth As It Is In Heaven.

Give Us This Day Our Daily Bread
And Forgive Us Our trespasses
As We Forgive Those Who Trespass Against Us
And Lead Us Not Into Temptation But Deliver Us From Evil.

For Thine Is The Kingdom
The Power
The Glory
Forever And Ever.

Amen.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:47 pm


I know there are a few people here who voted for him (people can have other passions besides abortion). But I don't think anyone here who voted for him is particularly surprised that he did this.

It's a measure that has flipped back and forth with every administration since Reagan. This can be beaten again.

Cyanna


Rosary16

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:04 pm


THAT'S IT! No more Ms. Nice Pro-Lifer!
All right, if you haven't signed the FightFOCA petition on www.fightfoca.com, do it now! Even if you are pestimistic about what 539,331 signatures can do, just sign the petition. Spread the word. Let everyone know about it and urge every pro-lifer you know to sign it! This is literally our only chance to make our voices heard. If you haven't signed the petition, do it NOW!!!!
Let's go, go, go!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:36 pm


Rosary16
THAT'S IT! No more Ms. Nice Pro-Lifer!
All right, if you haven't signed the FightFOCA petition on www.fightfoca.com, do it now! Even if you are pestimistic about what 539,331 signatures can do, just sign the petition. Spread the word. Let everyone know about it and urge every pro-lifer you know to sign it! This is literally our only chance to make our voices heard. If you haven't signed the petition, do it NOW!!!!
Let's go, go, go!


What does this habve to do with the article? Seriously..

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rweghrheh

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:57 pm


That is just one reason why I don't vote, I don't trust anyone anymore.

Abortion as form of "birth" control, using tax payers money, what's next?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:04 pm


sachiko_sohma
That is just one reason why I don't vote, I don't trust anyone anymore.

Abortion as form of "birth" control, using tax payers money, what's next?


I don't even know. I'm not mentally sick enough to think of it.

And.. half of the nations tax payers dont even support it! Why should we have to pay?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:44 am


In the defense of Obama, and the other liberals, the law didn't just prevent money from going to abortion. It prevented the money from going to any organization that provided or helped people gain access to abortions.

That makes up a -lot- of family planning organizations, and even other kinds of humanitarian efforts. Even as Pro-Lifers, can we say that an organization that "provide[d] information, counseling or referrals about abortion" should be cut off from funding, even though they would have also supplied day care, and pre-natal care, birth control, young mother homes, etc, after birth?

I don't personally know what to think about the law. I don't think our tax dollars should go to abortion, here or anywhere else. Actually, I don't even think our tax dollars should go to support what is essentially a charity. Still, if I assume that the tax dollars are going to support a charity anyways, I'm not sure I would be against all of the charities that were blocked out by that law.

Just as a devil's advocate, since everyone else in here seems to be crying foul.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:51 am


Also, I would change the title; Not only will the Obama supporters in here probably see it as condescending and insulting, but it could be construed as a personal attack on Barack Obama. Calling him the spawn of Satan and whatnot.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:48 pm


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Even as Pro-Lifers, can we say that an organization that "provide[d] information, counseling or referrals about abortion" should be cut off from funding, even though they would have also supplied day care, and pre-natal care, birth control, young mother homes, etc, after birth?


This.

If I were president, I would have done the same thing.

As an Obama supporter (who never saw him as the son of god rolleyes ) I don't find the title insulting, just pathetic.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:26 pm


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Also, I would change the title; Not only will the Obama supporters in here probably see it as condescending and insulting, but it could be construed as a personal attack on Barack Obama. Calling him the spawn of Satan and whatnot.


I honestly don't care about what the title sounds like. I'm sick of the media practically worshiping him and such. I mean what I say. I'm completely against Obama and I should have my freedom of speech. The press, you, and anybody else can critisize me all they want. I have my liberties and just because the media likes the president for once does not mean I have to go with the flow.

If someone doesnt like what I say they can confront me. Thats their problem. I put up with things others say; the world can put up with what I say. =]

Not trying ot be mean but I am not backing down from my word.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:28 pm


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Even as Pro-Lifers, can we say that an organization that "provide[d] information, counseling or referrals about abortion" should be cut off from funding, even though they would have also supplied day care, and pre-natal care, birth control, young mother homes, etc, after birth?


This.

If I were president, I would have done the same thing.

As an Obama supporter (who never saw him as the son of god rolleyes ) I don't find the title insulting, just pathetic.


Haha I offically know of 2 people now who dont see him as such; I have a few democratic fans who are like O.O -WORSHIP- whenever it comes to obama.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:35 pm


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In the defense of Obama, and the other liberals, the law didn't just prevent money from going to abortion. It prevented the money from going to any organization that provided or helped people gain access to abortions.

That makes up a -lot- of family planning organizations, and even other kinds of humanitarian efforts. Even as Pro-Lifers, can we say that an organization that "provide[d] information, counseling or referrals about abortion" should be cut off from funding, even though they would have also supplied day care, and pre-natal care, birth control, young mother homes, etc, after birth?

I don't personally know what to think about the law. I don't think our tax dollars should go to abortion, here or anywhere else. Actually, I don't even think our tax dollars should go to support what is essentially a charity. Still, if I assume that the tax dollars are going to support a charity anyways, I'm not sure I would be against all of the charities that were blocked out by that law.

Just as a devil's advocate, since everyone else in here seems to be crying foul.


Well he's giving the organizations money after cutting down on our military. I may be a pro-lifer but I support our troops and we need our defense now more than ever.

In abortion; I see it as this. If you dont want to risk having kids, dont have sex; otherwise as the mother AND father of the child, both should take responsibility. The abortion clinics should not be open, and by being open I see it as saying "Go ahead, its an evil act but we'll help you with it!"

Plus, if anything there is adoption, and foster care.

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rweghrheh

PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:44 pm


I starting not to care anymore (as long as he helps fix the ecomony and improve health care then whatever). The way I see it, abortion won't go away but if he can fix some of the messes and problems that would be a big help.

I was talking to my mom today and she was telling that though she doesn't like abortion, there are more important things to worry about and if he can help with some of the issues then things might be better in the long run and I agree.

Ending the war for one thing is more important right now. Now lets see how he does.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:54 pm


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I honestly don't care about what the title sounds like. I'm sick of the media practically worshiping him and such. I mean what I say. I'm completely against Obama and I should have my freedom of speech. The press, you, and anybody else can critisize me all they want. I have my liberties and just because the media likes the president for once does not mean I have to go with the flow.

If someone doesnt like what I say they can confront me. Thats their problem. I put up with things others say; the world can put up with what I say. =]

Not trying ot be mean but I am not backing down from my word.

I'm just saying, as a long time member and mod of this guild, I've seen what happens. Some people will take any chance to rag on Pro-Lifers, and bring down our guild, if they can.

You're also going waaaay off of what I was saying; This isn't the media. This is Gaia. Gaia has a rule that says, "No personal attacks." Gaia has a right to refuse service to someone who disobeys their rules. It's not a matter of freedom of speech. Gaia doesn't have to support your freedom of speech. You have a right to call Obama whatever you want, as long as you aren't threatening his life. But you don't have a right to force a forum, like Gaia, to allow it to remain posted, just like you don't have a right to force a newspaper to print it. And I've experienced where

Also, for the record, I'm very against Obama. I just hate it when a thread is all one sided. I hate it when the Pro-Choicers gang up on things they deem to be Pro-Life, and I hate it when Pro-Lifers gang up on things they deem to be Pro-Choice. This isn't a matter of Pro-Life/Pro-Choice; I do believe a large percentage of moderates and moderately Pro-Choice folks would agree that taxes shouldn't go to abortion, but still support it going to organizations that provide other services while mentioning abortion, or helping people get abortions. I don't agree with that part, but am I going to refuse to fund a huge organization that helps lots of single moms just because they also will help a pregnant woman get an abortion?

My own big problem with this is that Obama did sign this into law, or rather out of law, and when he said that he would fund groups like Planned Parenthood that help you get abortions, he simultaneously said that he would -not- fund groups like Crisis Pregnancy Centers, that do all the same sorts of services but without mentioning abortions. -That- is highly wrong; If you're going to support single mothers through charities, do it through all the charities. It's messed up to support the ones that provide abortions, and not the ones that don't.

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Well he's giving the organizations money after cutting down on our military. I may be a pro-lifer but I support our troops and we need our defense now more than ever.

In abortion; I see it as this. If you dont want to risk having kids, dont have sex; otherwise as the mother AND father of the child, both should take responsibility. The abortion clinics should not be open, and by being open I see it as saying "Go ahead, its an evil act but we'll help you with it!"

Plus, if anything there is adoption, and foster care.
And this is just going way off topic. I'm sorry, but the question was, "Should organizations be turned down for funding because they are willing to mention abortion, despite the fact that they offer tons of other services that are very important?" It had nothing to do with the military, and it had nothing to do with what's wrong with abortion. We are all Pro-Life. We all agree that abortion is wrong.

That doesn't mean we all think that any organization that in any way supports abortion should be boycotted.

And, as a response to the off topic, I'm hugely Pro-Military. I think that the military is underfunded, and that when it tries to work with less funds it gets cut down more. I work with the military right now. I'm working at the Air Force Financial Services Center, a centralized financial services organization started up for just that problem; The Air Force is getting less money, and so has to consolidate what they can to cut costs. But you know that congress is going to see that and go, "Well I bet you can do it with even less!" so that they can funnel the money into their own pockets, or whatever pet projects.

However, I disagree with this blind hatred of Obama. I agree that the media, and most supporters, see him as a messiah figure; They may not phrase it like that, but that's how it is. That doesn't, however, make him the spawn of Satan. That's just ridiculous. How would you like it if the liberals said that Palin was the spawn of satan? In fact, they practically do, painting her as this horrible, stupid person. I don't like it. So I won't do it to Obama.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:56 pm


sachiko_sohma
Ending the war for one thing is more important right now. Now lets see how he does.

Oh, he'll end it. And so would have John McCain. You know why? Because the Democratic Iraqi government we helped create is forcing us out, coincidentally, about the exact same time Obama says he will have us out by.

And it's a good thing, but let's not make it out to be Obama's success.
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