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 Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:51 pm
What I want to know is where in the world and when did the horns and the tail with the pitchfork, come to symbolize the devil, come from? and where and when did the halo with the wings, to symbolize an angel, come from?
Not what they symbolize. But, where in the world did they start becoming a part of difference of the devil and angel? Who started this picture?
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:42 pm
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:55 am
Okay, for devils, it all started when people were taking Christianity to England (if memory serves me right) a long time ago. The missionaries there weren't having much luck because of paganism/worshiping nature was standard and they didn't have strict sins and had lots of gods. One of the leading ones was Pan, that satyr who happens to have horns and cloved hooves. To make it apparent that paganism was bad, they turned pan into Satan. That got a lot of people involved. Pitchfork, no idea. Maybe they got that idea from Triton/Neptune and added it in to make greek and roman gods evil. And in general, people fear bats so I guess that's where bat wings came in (I know that wasn't asked but it's something I thought up as well). It was all propaganda.
As for angels wings and halos, well... that's symbology. Wings were always signs of power and has been used a lot in the bible. Halos can also be interpreted as glory and holy power, like an aura. It's been simplified through the years to a simple ring around the head, kinda like a circlet for royalty, making angels also an authority figure. Some people are lost on the symbolic words in the bible so they took it too literally. but I do wonder at times if some of them do have wings ("with twain did cover his feet, and with twain did cover his face, and with twain did he fly"... read it somewhere, i think it was from Lehi's dream, one of them).
So there you have it. Symboligy taken too literally and modified, and propaganda to get more worshipers at one point in time. Somethings just stick after a while.
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:22 pm
Glimare Okay, for devils, it all started when people were taking Christianity to England (if memory serves me right) a long time ago. The missionaries there weren't having much luck because of paganism/worshiping nature was standard and they didn't have strict sins and had lots of gods. One of the leading ones was Pan, that satyr who happens to have horns and cloved hooves. To make it apparent that paganism was bad, they turned pan into Satan. That got a lot of people involved. Pitchfork, no idea. Maybe they got that idea from Triton/Neptune and added it in to make greek and roman gods evil. And in general, people fear bats so I guess that's where bat wings came in (I know that wasn't asked but it's something I thought up as well). It was all propaganda. As for angels wings and halos, well... that's symbology. Wings were always signs of power and has been used a lot in the bible. Halos can also be interpreted as glory and holy power, like an aura. It's been simplified through the years to a simple ring around the head, kinda like a circlet for royalty, making angels also an authority figure. Some people are lost on the symbolic words in the bible so they took it too literally. but I do wonder at times if some of them do have wings ("with twain did cover his feet, and with twain did cover his face, and with twain did he fly"... read it somewhere, i think it was from Lehi's dream, one of them). So there you have it. Symboligy taken too literally and modified, and propaganda to get more worshipers at one point in time. Somethings just stick after a while. Wow! Nicely informative!
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:41 am
Thanks. The demon info I got from my sister. The angel stuff I got from everywhere else. I'm the queen of random information. Don't ask for anything really practical though. I tend to get it wrong then. sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:29 pm
From what I learned in school, the Greco/Roman figure of Victory (named Nike) was a winged woman. When Christianity rose in power, elements of Victory were incorporated into the depiction of the angel Gabriel, bringing tidings of victory and joy. The wings then stuck with all depicted angels.
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:11 pm
I know this is late but I think a lot of the demons having tales and horns comes from Revelation 17:3 "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:09 pm
Sorry, but that one is innacurate. To Dante, Angels were merely essences of light, while demons did have wings but were more hideous did not have cloven hooves, and carried large hooks.
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:11 pm
10001st Fist I know this is late but I think a lot of the demons having tales and horns comes from Revelation 17:3 "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns." Hm... sounds like Tiamat. Or did that dragon have 6 heads...
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