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 Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:22 pm
Hey there, it me Randa with my very first debate. I myself are a Lesbian and I believe gay marriage should be allowed in any country. You should be allowed to marry the one you love weather it it's a man or woman. Who has the right to go up to a perfectly happy couple gay/or not and tell them it's wrong or that they'll go to hell or something? I think that Christianity is one of the main causes of discimination of Homosexuals all together, not that I have anything against Christians though, in fact some Homosexuals acctually are Christian and do believe in God but are left out of Church just because of their sexual orientaion.
No flaming please! Post your oppinion and say!
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:07 pm
I have nothing personal against the LGBT community, but I don't really like the idea of it being called "marriage." I'm going to pull that ages-old Bible reference of the definition of marriage, which is defined by the Bible and by the first definition of Webster's dictionary as, in short, the uniting of a man and a woman as husband and wife.
What else one can call it, though, I'm not sure. I used to be, but lurking in the ED has made me lose a few IQ points. Same-sex unity? I'm not sure. Personally, I believe this whole "OMG Gayness! Burn in Hell!" thing got started with a bunch of Christian zealots who, like the rest of us, are human and therefore hypocritical. Now, I haven't read Sodom and Gamora(sp), but I don't think God had anything against homosexuals themselves, but against their actions.
As far as I'm concerned, homosexual or not, you're still a person and capable of feeling, thinking, and choosing freely. Using "you" as a general reference to the whole LGBT community, I may not like what you do, but I won't hate you for doing it. You haven't wronged me, why should I have something against you? One of the most treasured principles of Christianity is to love thy neighbor as thyself. I stand by that one.
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:24 pm
I myself am straight. But I believe everyone should have the power to love who they will, and have all the chances to be happy or miserable as they choose, it is not for the government to control. I don't have a religion, so I base solely off morals. I don't see anything different with the homosexual comunity than I do with regular people other than preferences lol. I don't believe it should need to be a law, I would love for people to just accept it and be over arguing. smile My debate class discused once to call it a union instead of 'marriage' if you have a problem with that.
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:00 pm
That's the word I was looking for! Union! xD Sorry about the worthless post, but I just had to say it. >.>
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:13 pm
Same here. Everyone should have the right to make their relationships "offical," regardless of their sexuality. What really bugs me is when people who don't support it keep calling up the Bible in their defense.
I mean, I'm atheist so I'm probably a bit biased on this point, but firstly: most Christians (and I go to an United Church school so I know a lot of them) probably have nothing against gay marriage. But there are some who are against it and they are very... vocal... about it. But is it fair to deny an entire section of the population the right to marriage/union/whatever you want to call it, just because of the stance of a religion? Okay, so there are other religions against it. But seriously, it's like saying: no one can eat pig because that's against Jewish law and we don't want to do that. It's cool if you believe that, not so cool if you don't and are forced into it.
Besides, have you noticed? The majority of the people against gay marriage/union (I think it should be called union too) are straight! Just like the whole 'men controlling the debate on abortion thing,' they can't understand what it's like for the other side of the debate, as they've never had to go through that.
So yeah, I'm all for gay marriage. (and I'm straight, just so you know)
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:54 pm
I beleive that they should have the same rights to be joined in love - but the word Marriage - No. It is in the Bible that the marriage shall be on man and woman - just re-term it to be " United as One" instead of Marriage Lincense - have it state "United as One" ... Don't think I am saying they should share a life together I just do not believe that it should be called the same thing. Gays have demanded their rights for bars to be labeled "Gay Bars" for other things to be labeled as such so why would they even want the term marriage - in all rationality it is only a peice of paper - love is in the heart and it does not matter if you have that damn paper or not - you can stand on the beach and be joined together under God's love by saying your vows to each other - I really do not see that any priest or preacher or judge can make it any different - if God does not want to listen he won't no matter who is there reading from the book. Know what I mean - I want to share my life with someone but I am not into that having to have that piece of paper that says "by law" we are "married" - please that does not make a happy marriage - love makes the marriage not the paper.
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Angel of Forgotten Souls Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:42 pm
I am gay and Im against gay marriage. I think it should be a union partnership other than marriage. If they leaglize this than things could go haywire. People may want multiple wives and say if they gays get it soo should we. People might marry animals or other strange things. I'd say have rights similer to marriage, but not called marriage. The only thing I strongly thinks needs to be changed, Is say one lover is on his/her deathbed and family only is allowed visitation, the partner may not be able to come in because they're not legally family. That pisses me off!
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:02 pm
Eizoryu I have nothing personal against the LGBT community, but I don't really like the idea of it being called "marriage." I'm going to pull that ages-old Bible reference of the definition of marriage, which is defined by the Bible and by the first definition of Webster's dictionary as, in short, the uniting of a man and a woman as husband and wife. What else one can call it, though, I'm not sure. I used to be, but lurking in the ED has made me lose a few IQ points. Same-sex unity? I'm not sure. Personally, I believe this whole "OMG Gayness! Burn in Hell!" thing got started with a bunch of Christian zealots who, like the rest of us, are human and therefore hypocritical. Now, I haven't read Sodom and Gamora(sp), but I don't think God had anything against homosexuals themselves, but against their actions. As far as I'm concerned, homosexual or not, you're still a person and capable of feeling, thinking, and choosing freely. Using "you" as a general reference to the whole LGBT community, I may not like what you do, but I won't hate you for doing it. You haven't wronged me, why should I have something against you? One of the most treasured principles of Christianity is to love thy neighbor as thyself. I stand by that one. I must confide that I agree.
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tnage mutant ninja monkey
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:42 pm
Now I'm straight and i'm a christian. i dont like the fact of gays being "married" but you know I tolerate it because you should be allowed to be with the one you love no matter what. I really dont care at the moment whether or not Im going against the Bible because i really do believe that. But yes it's not necessarily RIGHT but I do tolerate it and it should be allowed. Like everyone else is saying though it shoulnt be called marriage though its needs to be something else bacause marriage is for man and women so ya "united as one' or something like that would work.
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:33 pm
Eizoryu I have nothing personal against the LGBT community, but I don't really like the idea of it being called "marriage." I'm going to pull that ages-old Bible reference of the definition of marriage, which is defined by the Bible and by the first definition of Webster's dictionary as, in short, the uniting of a man and a woman as husband and wife. What else one can call it, though, I'm not sure. I used to be, but lurking in the ED has made me lose a few IQ points. Same-sex unity? I'm not sure. Personally, I believe this whole "OMG Gayness! Burn in Hell!" thing got started with a bunch of Christian zealots who, like the rest of us, are human and therefore hypocritical. Now, I haven't read Sodom and Gamora(sp), but I don't think God had anything against homosexuals themselves, but against their actions. As far as I'm concerned, homosexual or not, you're still a person and capable of feeling, thinking, and choosing freely. Using "you" as a general reference to the whole LGBT community, I may not like what you do, but I won't hate you for doing it. You haven't wronged me, why should I have something against you? One of the most treasured principles of Christianity is to love thy neighbor as thyself. I stand by that one. So we should be called a legalised partenership or Union? Is that what you mean? Yeah sorry I didn't know that marriage was a guy girl thing, next time I'll call it a partenership. Thanks for telling me and thanks for your post^^
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:36 pm
Spacer9247 I myself am straight. But I believe everyone should have the power to love who they will, and have all the chances to be happy or miserable as they choose, it is not for the government to control. I don't have a religion, so I base solely off morals. I don't see anything different with the homosexual comunity than I do with regular people other than preferences lol. I don't believe it should need to be a law, I would love for people to just accept it and be over arguing. smile My debate class discused once to call it a union instead of 'marriage' if you have a problem with that. I so agree with you! Well I didn't know that marriage was a guy and girl thing, I was just calling it that because several other called it that. I also thought that marriage was when two people join in love.
Thank you for your post^^
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:44 pm
Purple Cookie Angel Same here. Everyone should have the right to make their relationships "offical," regardless of their sexuality. What really bugs me is when people who don't support it keep calling up the Bible in their defense. I mean, I'm atheist so I'm probably a bit biased on this point, but firstly: most Christians (and I go to an United Church school so I know a lot of them) probably have nothing against gay marriage. But there are some who are against it and they are very... vocal... about it. But is it fair to deny an entire section of the population the right to marriage/union/whatever you want to call it, just because of the stance of a religion? Okay, so there are other religions against it. But seriously, it's like saying: no one can eat pig because that's against Jewish law and we don't want to do that. It's cool if you believe that, not so cool if you don't and are forced into it. Besides, have you noticed? The majority of the people against gay marriage/union (I think it should be called union too) are straight! Just like the whole 'men controlling the debate on abortion thing,' they can't understand what it's like for the other side of the debate, as they've never had to go through that. So yeah, I'm all for gay marriage. (and I'm straight, just so you know) I see what you mean. Well some Homosexual people think it's important to be married by law because of being able their combine own insurance. If a lesbian woman had a baby and she happened to have a girl lover who was also being mother to the baby too. But if the child's birth mother died then the baby wouldn't go to the womans lover, the child would go to live with grandparents or some one else. But if they were 'joined' then the childs guardian would be the bith mother's lover.
Do you see what I mean?
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:48 pm
Heavens Forgotten Angel
I beleive that they should have the same rights to be joined in love - but the word Marriage - no. It is in the Bible that the marriage shall be on man and woman - just reterm it to be " United as One" instead of Marriage Lincense - have it state "United as One" ... Don't think I am saying they should share a life together I just do not believe that it should be called the same thing. Gays have demanded their rights for bars to be labeled "Gay Bars" for other things to be labeled as such so why would they even want the term marriage - in all rationality it is only a peice of paper - love is in the heart and it does not matter if you have that damn paper or not - you can stand on the beach and be joined together under God's love by saying your vows to each other - I really do not see that any priest or preacher or judge can make it any different - if God does not want to listen he won't no matter who is there reading from the book. Know what I mean - I want to share my life with someone but I am not into that having to have that piece of paper that says "by law" we are "married" - please that does not make a happy marriage - love makes the marriage not the paper.I'm sorry for that I didn't know that, I was only calling it marriage because several others were calling it that, I just thought marriage was when two people join. But thank you for telling me. I agree with most of what you say, thank you for your post.
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:52 pm
Murderous Lollipop I am gay and Im against gay marriage. I think it should be a union partnership other than marriage. If they leaglize this than things could go haywire. People may want multiple wives and say if they gays get it soo should we. People might marry animals or other strange things. I'd say have rights similer to marriage, but not called marriage. The only thing I strongly thinks needs to be changed, Is say one lover is on his/her deathbed and family only is allowed visitation, the partner may not be able to come in because they're not legally family. That pisses me off! Ok...I agree with you but I'm not really sure abotu the...animal thing...that's a wired post I have to say.
Also agree with you on the deathbed thing, the lover is one of the most important people that needs to be there and that's what the dead lover would have wanted. Thank you for your post.
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:57 pm
tnage mutant ninja monkey Now I'm straight and i'm a christian. i dont like the fact of gays being "married" but you know I tolerate it because you should be allowed to be with the one you love no matter what. I really dont care at the moment whether or not Im going against the Bible because i really do believe that. But yes it's not necessarily RIGHT but I do tolerate it and it should be allowed. Like everyone else is saying though it shoulnt be called marriage though its needs to be something else bacause marriage is for man and women so ya "united as one' or something like that would work. I agree with you mostly and I like that you tolerate it but it's up until you say 'it's not necessarity RIGHT'. Well it is, how would you like it if shunned you for liking men instead of woman? Well I think Christianity is not RIGHT. It doesn't make sense and it discriminates Homosexuals.
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