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 Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:20 pm
So I was recently in the abortion thread in the ED.
I was told that a fetus is a human but not a person?
I would honestly like to know how you can be a human and not a person..
Does that arguement even make sense?
Because it surely confused me to no end.
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:30 pm
The same way in the 1800's a black human was not a person but property... The same way in the 1940's Germany, jews were humans but not people.
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:37 pm
Yeah... I was gonna say, the only times it's been argued has been in order to treat another human being like they aren't a human being; i.e, slavery, the holocaust, and now abortion.
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:39 pm
is that honestly what there going to say 3:.
Also..
Why do they have an arguement now of "omg are you pro - using a baby as punishment"
That's getting irritating too..
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:41 pm
Ha, they've always used that argument. xd Apparently, taking responsibility for your actions is a punishment. Who knew?
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:50 pm
I've only seen it recently lol.
I think it's just sad..
oh wait...
And apprently being selfish and picking your life over your baby is ok too 3:.
Honestly..
I wish I could slap some sense into these people..
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:12 am
I think it's an arguement people use to make themselfs feel better about abortion.
Some might same "according to law it isn't a person" but last I checked the law doesn't create people or have anything to do with biology (also that same thing that had do with slavery and everything else everyone said) and also I believe some states concider it a double homicide if a pregnant woman is killed.
According to some people, being pregnant is a punishment rolleyes
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:57 am
It makes perfect sense.
Like being chocolate milk, but not milk.
Or being a video without light.
Or like Indiana Jones without Harrison Ford.
Perfect sense!
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:08 am
xX Umino-Hinata Xx is that honestly what there going to say 3:.
Also..
Why do they have an arguement now of "omg are you pro - using a baby as punishment"
That's getting irritating too.. As for the punishment thing, choicers never seem to take into account that we aren't talking about only one person. They refuse to look at a combination of the fetus's life AND the woman's life, but only the woman's life. Therefore, it is only a woman's issue and only punishing women. Which is of course a massive strawman logical fallacy, since we aren't arguing that women are bad and need to be punished for sex by having babies. We are arguing that women (well, anyone for that matter) don't have the right to kill a fetus (or any other human life)
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:43 am
sachiko_sohma "according to law it isn't a person" And just because it's law doesn't mean it's right. Lots of bad things are legal. Slavery was legal. The Holocaust was legal. The forced abortions in China on women who don't want them are legal. REAL subjugation of women (and men in some cultures) is legal. State sanctioned genocide is legal. Maybe not in our country but it's certainly legal in countries where our laws don't apply.
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:04 am
Yeah, when they say stuff like that, you have to ask, "Why are you able to decide what makes a person a person, up to the point where you can decide to kill them?"
It makes it sound, to their ears, like they're rationalizing death.
Which they totally do, but don't like hearing.
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:19 pm
xX Umino-Hinata Xx is that honestly what there going to say 3:.
Also..
Why do they have an arguement now of "omg are you pro - using a baby as punishment"
That's getting irritating too.. I think that comes from one of Barack Obama's speeches. Some people take it out of context, though. He meant that he didn't want his children to be punished for not receiving or having access to proper education and preventive measures. (That it would be sad that a 15 year old girl would get pregnant when she was never taught how to use birth control and be careful)
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:00 pm
Cyanna sachiko_sohma "according to law it isn't a person" And just because it's law doesn't mean it's right. Lots of bad things are legal. Slavery was legal. The Holocaust was legal. The forced abortions in China on women who don't want them are legal. REAL subjugation of women (and men in some cultures) is legal. State sanctioned genocide is legal. Maybe not in our country but it's certainly legal in countries where our laws don't apply. Yes I know that, which why I put it in quotations and said that is what some people say (or think) or that's what I ment to say original (the word same was a error).
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:37 am
sachiko_sohma Cyanna sachiko_sohma "according to law it isn't a person" And just because it's law doesn't mean it's right. Lots of bad things are legal. Slavery was legal. The Holocaust was legal. The forced abortions in China on women who don't want them are legal. REAL subjugation of women (and men in some cultures) is legal. State sanctioned genocide is legal. Maybe not in our country but it's certainly legal in countries where our laws don't apply. Yes I know that, which why I put it in quotations and said that is what some people say (or think) or that's what I ment to say original (the word same was a error). I know you know. biggrin Just using it as a gateway to throw it out there for the consideration of anyone reading this who doesn't know. smile
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:16 pm
xX Umino-Hinata Xx I've only seen it recently lol.
I think it's just sad..
oh wait...
And apprently being selfish and picking your life over your baby is ok too 3:.
Honestly..
I wish I could slap some sense into these people.. I might pick my life over that of my child. I'm not sure. It depends on the circumstances, and I've never been there. But really, it comes down to person being philosophical, and human being scientific. Scientifically, you can't deny that a fetus is a human organism. Philosophically? It's up for debate. Which is what makes me giggle whenever I hear, "They don't use science!"
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