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Tracing...
  Don't do it, don't care about other people doing it.
  I trace.
  Trace for practice purposes.
  Tracing is never okay.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:35 pm


So, someone mentioned "tracing other pictures and adding funny things to them" as a style of art. I'm not saying anything on that person, I just though I'd go into the concept of tracing more in a seperate topic.
So, here goes... some things to get the ball rolling.
Would you concider tracing as a style of art?
When(if at all) is tracing okay?
Do you/have you ever traced something?
How do you feel about your own or someone elses traced artwork?
If you do, do you concider it nothing, or just practice? Do you take credit or pride in something you've traced?
How do you feel about copying a picture exactly by just looking at it for reference, as opposed to tracing?

Theres many different aspects of tracing. Tracing something like this is completely different than tracing something like this. Do you agree?

Discuss tracing.
PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:07 pm


As usual, you can pretty much get a feel for my opinion on the matter by the way I word my questions.
I feel in most cirumstances tracing is not okay. For something first learning to draw, tracing might be okay for them to learn how the body is going to move. But taking a traced drawing, taking credit for it and calling it your own is not okay. Drawing something someone drew is different from tracing a picture of say an animal. Animals are hard to draw, yo. Unless its a photograph someone wants credit for, nobody technically owns an animal.(Without getting technical.)

So whatevs, thats my opinion.

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 8:36 am


A few years ago, when I first discovered manga-style drawing, I tried tracing a few pictures just to get used to the shapes used...but it didn't really help me. I gave it up and went back to just eye-ing (eying?) the style and changing it into what I wanted to learn to draw. If tracing helps you get better at drawing, go for it. But don't call it an original work. It's not. Tracing is not communicating something you feel, it's just a shortcut to getting the lines in someone else's communication right. That's practice, not art.

Sketching (or tracing by looking at something) is a little different. If you're sketching a drawing or photograph, it's still basically practice. If you're sketching something in the world around you, I can call that original art because you're always going to translate something of yourself in how you capture a moving, living world.
PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:14 pm


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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:53 pm


There definitely is a difference in what's right and wrong.
I think that it's okay if you need to trace some things like maybe a hand to get it down on a drawing and have that to reference to for yourself as long as you didn't post it and not leave credit. But tracing shouldn't be used as a crutch.
Also, I use tracing still on my own drawings like when I need to get the eyes looking more symmetrical. So there's more than one purpose to it.
PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 7:42 pm


My opinion highly depends on the situation. Tracing someone else's work is basically and essentially not okay. It's their work, whether a photo or not.

One exception I can think of is with something like a linear, mathematical diagram, when the entire purpose is to make it look exactly the same. For example: my brother had to illustrate a diagram overnight for homework of some ridiculously complicated electric circuit. He knew how the things worked, and taking the time to measure everything out would have been pointless. It had to look exactly the same, down to little letter symbols on each part. It was utterly ridiculous. I personally felt it was okay to let him use my light table and trace the dratted thing.

As a graphic designer/artist, sometimes tracing is necessary. If I want a sketch to come out in really good proportion or on a certain part of a page without worrying about eraser lines or having it accidentally go off the edge, it's typically best to do a lot of preliminary sketches, then one final, full-sized one, then trace that onto the final paper to eliminate any mess made by smudges/erasing/redrawing, et cetera. The final product looks a lot cleaner, and it's your work, anyway. This kind of stuff is also highly useful when drawing anything geometrical.



If you're tracing for the pure purpose of practice or reference and don't intend to use it as "your" artwork, persay. It's often good to get a handle on proportions, even if it doesn't teach actual techniques.


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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:57 pm


Well, yes, I'd definentely say tracing your own work it fine. I'd never really thought abot that either rofl
Digitally, I can just copy/pasta my eye and flip it if I need to xD

But yeah, in your brothers situation, I probably would have done the same exact thing, lmao. I'm not one for tedious things like that. D:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:21 am


Tracing, in regards to getting a feel for the style, has never really worked for me. I find it best to practice the shapes and lines for yourself, without adhering to the form of another piece.

I don't find it wrong, I don't find it sad if someone traces for their art and does what they will with the outline. what i DO find a problem with is when people do it, then claim they have crazy drawing skills... But for some reason, can't reproduce them without that original picture.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:07 am


the only time i trace a drawing is when i do it 2 my own when i mess up or the pencil markings wont erase

but no i dont consider it a art
PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:42 pm


Tracing for me is only a stepping stone in art. It helps a person be keen and mindful of details. I started tracing Digimon pictures then when I "perfected" it began to use my eyes to be aware of details. Yes you may not get the exact replica but when you're trained to be a detailed perfectionist then you can do more complicated stuff.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:32 pm


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I think there are a few things about tracing. Tracing someone else's work and calling it your own is wrong. Tracing your own work to detail it is fine. Tracing others work to practice, but not claiming the work is alright.

I mean tracing can be good and bad. Some times it's the only way to learn how to draw. I know I learned to draw by tracing photos and other images to get the feel and be able to visualize the right image. It can be a starting step, but relying on it and claiming other's work is just sort of wrong.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:06 pm


i consider tracing as practice, it helps me get the feeling on how to draw certain things, depending on wat im tracing.


i definitely think that if someone thinks tracing is a type of art style, i have to disagree.

but thats my opinion.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:14 am


Personally, the only way I'd consider tracing okay is for someone's own private practice, such as practicing anatomy and poses and whatsnot or if you're transferring mediums (For example, in the art school I go to, when you do pastels, you first draw on tracing paper, then trace over it in pastels, before transferring it to paper). Otherwise, I don't think tracing's okay in any form. You're just short-cutting your way and taking other's hard work.
I had an experience a few years ago when a classmate asked me to draw something for her and I did, only to find her tracing it a few minutes later and claiming it as her own. <.<;
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:03 pm


Wow, what a lame friend D:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:27 pm


If one is a seriously so beginner, I don't mind them tracing. It may help them get the feel of how one can make lines in different lengths and what not, but after some time I loose respect for those who trace. It shows lack of originality. I especially hate it if people trace and claim it as their own.

So it's a kind of 50/50 thing with me.
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