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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 8:08 am
One of the biggest problems facing the poor and the needy right now when it comes to getting help is the illusion that the government takes care of people. If a person is in need it is assumed that there is something horribly wrong with them, because the governemrnt takes care of people. While this is true to a small degree, it is most certaintly not true to the degree of assistance that is neccesary. When I was a kid I lived at the Path House, this is a place where people with nowhere to go can stay if they have kids. Great idea, and in the private sector to boot. My mom got a job there later and I stayed in the office over night alot (there ws always someone working there, my mom got the overnight shift alot.) She must have gotten 5 calls a day from people when there were no spaces available. There is great need for charitable people in the private sector, the means donating to places like the red cross, or churches if you're trusting (some churches it goes to administrative fees, others it goes to missions, but some go towards helping the poor) Another great way to help is by volunteering, time is valuable. red cross, habitat for humanity, anywhere you see people *really* helping people. if you choose to donate be careful, some are no better with money than the governement at handling it. What does this have to do with taxes? We can only eliminate things like welfare and medicade and ssi if we prove that we're willing to help people that are willing to help themselves. By putting forth the effort and helping these organizations, we are another step closer to pushing the government out.
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 1:18 pm
Most of our family give to United Way, which basically distributes the money to lots of different charities, all of which they monitor, etc. to make sure the money gets where it needs to.
It's interesting, because in Europe, most people actually somewhat respect poor people *chuckle*. In international terms, we're fairly low on government welfare, it might be because we still have alot of undeveloped land, or because we haven't had to lose millions fighting any wars on our on soil.
So yah, I guess I'm saying: a lot of both, if you strip away government charity and give everyone a big tax cut, it'll encourage them to give to private charity. If you give alot to private charity to the point that the government isn't needed, it'll stop going.
A problem against private charity however is that it depends on the economy, if the stock market takes a dive, then alot of people go hungry. The government on the other hand, will keep forcing the money out of people, whether the economy is bull or bear.
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 8:56 pm
If the economy is so bad, should i not pay my rent so some woman on welfare can buy a candy bar?
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:35 pm
Yah... it would go two ways. The people usually donating to charities would donate less in a recession, while the needy would need more
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:58 pm
I think America needs to start donating to these programs significantly more to change the political mood. The more people helped through private charity, the better outlook America has on private charity. People who have been helped by the charities will also respect them, giving the helped a view on private charity that is like our own.
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:43 am
We can only eliminate things like welfare and medicade and ssi if we prove that we're willing to help people that are willing to help themselves. By putting forth the effort and helping these organizations, we are another step closer to pushing the government out.
This is a Catch-22. People don't have the money to give because of taxes, so the government raises taxes to compensate the poor for the money they don't have. People give less because there is less money to go around, so taxes have to be raised again.
Perhaps we should just wean people of the government's failed welfare system. That way, we can see how generous people are. The citizens of the US are some of the most generous people on the planet.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:26 pm
Levilprivateer We can only eliminate things like welfare and medicade and ssi if we prove that we're willing to help people that are willing to help themselves. By putting forth the effort and helping these organizations, we are another step closer to pushing the government out. This is a Catch-22. People don't have the money to give because of taxes, so the government raises taxes to compensate the poor for the money they don't have. People give less because there is less money to go around, so taxes have to be raised again. Perhaps we should just wean people of the government's failed welfare system. That way, we can see how generous people are. The citizens of the US are some of the most generous people on the planet. *applaudes*
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:10 pm
DarkSakuraKnight Levilprivateer We can only eliminate things like welfare and medicade and ssi if we prove that we're willing to help people that are willing to help themselves. By putting forth the effort and helping these organizations, we are another step closer to pushing the government out. This is a Catch-22. People don't have the money to give because of taxes, so the government raises taxes to compensate the poor for the money they don't have. People give less because there is less money to go around, so taxes have to be raised again. Perhaps we should just wean people of the government's failed welfare system. That way, we can see how generous people are. The citizens of the US are some of the most generous people on the planet. *applaudes* Precisely. The government simply drags us deeper and deeper into this mess. It will continue to be more and more difficult to drag ourselves out.
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:23 pm
Besides the fact that welfare is simply the legal process of going into a rich neighborhood and demanding they give you money. I work for my money, why should I be forced to give my money to somebody who didn't put forth the same effort to get money that I have.
Also, people need to be held more accountable for their actions. If you're poor because you choose to be, then I see no need to help you out.
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:49 pm
Jahoclave Also, people need to be held more accountable for their actions. If you're poor because you choose to be, then I see no need to help you out. The government attempts to help people who did not choose to be, but that doesn't mean they're doing a good job. Religious organizations already try to do the same basic thing the government does, which is either tax their church members with a mandatory "tithe" or recommend strongly that their members give to charity. And then a lot of decent people don't need a church to tell them they could be giving money to the poor. With all these charity organizations around-- if we could trust them half as much as we are forced to trust our government-- we shouldn't need the government to repeat their efforts. The government should be making sure that these charities check out, but nothing else.
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 10:10 am
>.> Americans complaining about your taxes make me mad.
In Canada, apparently we have some pretty OK social programs. Or so I've been told. We pay for it with taxes. Though unfortunately, sometimes those tax dollars go into the pockets of our leaders rather than into the pockets of those who need it.
Though, personally, I think that if we didn't pay for these programs through taxes, most people probably wouldn't donate the money they would have spent in the taxes to the programs that need this money. So... It's a bit of a draw up.
One thing about Religious programs is that they tend to give money to people across the world rather than the poor here, and though I *like* that people in Rwanda and Uganda and other third world countries are getting this aid, I feel that our people that need help are often neglected to a vast and unforgiveable degree.
I donate canned goods to my local food bank once a month or so. At least every two months except around christmas. (Because they have all the food they need when they can guilt otherwise greedy people into donating) because I grew up receiving food from them. (The very same food bank) Though I suppose it would be better to buy my own food, I borrow canned things from my home's pantry and put the donation on my mama and papa's souls too.
This year, when I have a job of my own I plan to buy some toys for the salvation army chirstmas for kids programs. Not stuff that has been used before. Something nice.
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 7:25 pm
You're right, Tab. smile I mentioned religious organizations mostly because they come to mind first for me, but actually I was thinking of some socialogical studies and benefits I learned about recently. People here do care about our own poor, but a lot of people also have the darwinist view that they are poor because they didn't try hard enough or made a bad descision-- the "just world phenomenon." While there is some point to this occassionally, there are also factors at work that are larger than any one person who happens to be poor. For instance my boyfriend was just telling me that at places he's worked in the past, he's seen many people fired when the boss found out they did not have a home. They were doing their job fine, showed up on time and clean and all that, but as soon as they learned they were homeless... And there are many things we can do for our poor that range from giving them food like you do to improving social networks to help them find jobs and a billion other things.
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 9:56 pm
Penden You're right, Tab. smile I mentioned religious organizations mostly because they come to mind first for me, but actually I was thinking of some socialogical studies and benefits I learned about recently. People here do care about our own poor, but a lot of people also have the darwinist view that they are poor because they didn't try hard enough or made a bad descision-- the "just world phenomenon." While there is some point to this occassionally, there are also factors at work that are larger than any one person who happens to be poor. For instance my boyfriend was just telling me that at places he's worked in the past, he's seen many people fired when the boss found out they did not have a home. They were doing their job fine, showed up on time and clean and all that, but as soon as they learned they were homeless... And there are many things we can do for our poor that range from giving them food like you do to improving social networks to help them find jobs and a billion other things. It's not always - and, allegedly, usually isn't - the fault of the individual that they are poor. It's usually due to lay-offs or the like in an already sub-par conditions. It doesn't matter how you feel the subject should be dealt with, as long as you do so without any pretty rationalization - frankly, if you have to wrap youself in a warm blanket of lies to get to sleep at night, then you aren't believing what you really want to.
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:30 am
This article, while about the problems of international aid to africa, can be applied in principle to domestic welfare problems. Also, I find myself agreeing with the statement "Welfare is to charity as rape is to sex". Using force or coercion to get a normally 'good' thing just... takes most of the good out of it. In my opinion.
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:56 pm
Dracofrost "Welfare is to charity as rape is to sex". Except... welfare and charity don't apply to goats. *grin*
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