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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:36 am
I was wondering what other peoples opinions on this were. I feel I have been brought up to wait until i'm married to have sex, but in todays society i almost feel pressured and that sex is a must in a relationship and you needn't wait until you find the person you want to spend the rest of your life with. I was just wondering what other people thought of this.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:05 am
Personally, I think waiting for marriage is silly. Marriage is nothing but a legal document. A piece of paper does not prove that two people love each other or are ready for sexual activity. And I will be darned if I let a piece of paper try to tell me how to live my life. I am sexually active, and I do not plan on getting married. I see marriage as extremely outdated, sexist, and unnecessary.
Sex isn't necessary in all relationships. Married or not, some people rush into it, others wait. If you want to wait longer, go for it.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:00 pm
LorienLlewellyn Personally, I think waiting for marriage is silly. Marriage is nothing but a legal document. A piece of paper does not prove that two people love each other or are ready for sexual activity. And I will be darned if I let a piece of paper try to tell me how to live my life. I am sexually active, and I do not plan on getting married. I see marriage as extremely outdated, sexist, and unnecessary. Sex isn't necessary in all relationships. Married or not, some people rush into it, others wait. If you want to wait longer, go for it. I agree. When you're ready, you'll know, whether or not you're married. You say you feel pressured from society to have sex before marriage. Have you ever considered that your upbringing is pressuring you to wait until you're married? It's a two-way deal.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:17 pm
i personally believe that when you find the person you want to have sex with then you will know that he/she is the right person but that doesn't always mean that you will get married. my boyfriend and i have been going out for 9 months and we are slowly getting mor physicical we decided to wait to have sex till we are in collage (or 2 years) we know that we are both the persons we want to give that gift to and we are going to wait for the right moment.
so i would say as long as you know that you have the trust in the person you want to give that gift (your virginity) to than i think you are ok. just always practice safe sex and make sure it's right for you.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:21 pm
My choice is to wait until marriage.
While marriage may "just" be a legal document, it's still a commitment--and a very serious one. Marriages take a lot of work, and divorces are a b***h. You're not going to legally bind yourself to someone with the intention of going through the hassle of unbinding yourself/without considering the weight of the commitment unless you're severely naive/stupid.
If I find someone I'm willing to make that commitment with and who reciprocates that, then I'll deem them worthy of having sex with.
Plus, it's a lot more difficult to get used if the dude has to marry you first.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:41 pm
!namorata While marriage may "just" be a legal document, it's still a commitment--and a very serious one. Marriages take a lot of work, and divorces are a b***h. That's true, marriage is a commitment. However, I feel I can make a commitment to someone without having it in writing. If someone did not feel they could commit to me without having it in writing, I would see that as a serious problem. Relationships take work, whether you own a piece of paper or not. !namorata You're not going to legally bind yourself to someone with the intention of going through the hassle of unbinding yourself/without considering the weight of the commitment unless you're severely naive/stupid. Not necessarily. Many people marry for money, health insurance, the ability to stay in this country, etc. My friend married a friend of hers from South America so that he could stay here. If both people are mature, divorce doesn't have to be a big deal. It can be pretty easy and clean cut.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:50 pm
I think that its a personal choice and it is very respectable. Sex is not necessary and I believe that if your relationship is based on sex then it will probably fall apart very easily. However waiting until marriage does not guarantee anything. Things sometimes just don't work out.
I believe that it is a sign of great love and to only be shared with someone who you are truly going to be committed to.
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:07 pm
<3
I planned on waiting until marriage. I lot my virginity in December, I'm 19. I turn 20 in February. I wanted to wait because I thought that if they were willing to wait, then they really loved me. Then I realized that waiting for sex was making me want to get married just so I could have it. I didn't want to make that mistake, so I lost my virginity to my current boyfriend.
<3
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:50 pm
Me and my boyfriend were going to wait until marriage. But after two months it happened. We both wanted it; AND were still together. Even if we do end up breaking up I won't regret it because I wanted it just as badly as he did; and he didn't pressure me to do it one bit. He actually called me the night that we did it crying about how he felt bad that we did it so early in the relationship. It would have been nice to wait until marriage but oh well; at least I know that he's not only in the relationship for sex; and I know that he's good in bed. LMFAO.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:56 pm
LorienLlewellyn Personally, I think waiting for marriage is silly. Marriage is nothing but a legal document. A piece of paper does not prove that two people love each other or are ready for sexual activity. And I will be darned if I let a piece of paper try to tell me how to live my life. I am sexually active, and I do not plan on getting married. I see marriage as extremely outdated, sexist, and unnecessary. Sex isn't necessary in all relationships. Married or not, some people rush into it, others wait. If you want to wait longer, go for it. I totally agree with you on marriage being sexist! I was so happy when i saw what you wrote i almost cried; i'm so glad someone else feels the same way =D but my opinion: I think that, yes, it is a personal choice and you shouldn't have to feel pressured by anyone at all. If someone is feeling pressured to have sex, then they're probably not ready. I also think that if people make abstinence the only option and don't look at having pre-marital sex as a possibility, then they'll probably be the person to get pregnant/get someone pregnant because they didn't care to learn about safe sex. So my point: if you want to be abstinent that is a big responsibility and a good goal to set for yourself, but what you should do is also look on the other side of safe sex and how to protect yourself from pregnancy and diseases.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:55 pm
xbookxwormx LorienLlewellyn Personally, I think waiting for marriage is silly. Marriage is nothing but a legal document. A piece of paper does not prove that two people love each other or are ready for sexual activity. And I will be darned if I let a piece of paper try to tell me how to live my life. I am sexually active, and I do not plan on getting married. I see marriage as extremely outdated, sexist, and unnecessary. Sex isn't necessary in all relationships. Married or not, some people rush into it, others wait. If you want to wait longer, go for it. I totally agree with you on marriage being sexist! I was so happy when i saw what you wrote i almost cried; i'm so glad someone else feels the same way =D but my opinion: I think that, yes, it is a personal choice and you shouldn't have to feel pressured by anyone at all. If someone is feeling pressured to have sex, then they're probably not ready. I also think that if people make abstinence the only option and don't look at having pre-marital sex as a possibility, then they'll probably be the person to get pregnant/get someone pregnant because they didn't care to learn about safe sex. So my point: if you want to be abstinent that is a big responsibility and a good goal to set for yourself, but what you should do is also look on the other side of safe sex and how to protect yourself from pregnancy and diseases. I don't really understand this way of thinking that marriage is sexist. Could someone please explain this to me? Sure, maybe back in the old days when marriages were arranged or when men asked a girl's father if he could marry her, instead of the girl deciding on her own to marry the guy, and when women essentially became the man's property. But that's not how it is today, so what's the big deal? You keep all your rights to property and everything else. Hell, you don't even have to take your husband's name if you really don't want to. Marriage is something I really look forward to, and I think girls dream about getting married and having a beautiful wedding more than guys do. So I'm wondering where this kind of thinking is coming from. I think marriage is a wonderful thing, if done for love. There's a lot of other reasons people get married, which I feel are the wrong reasons, but what can you do. As for sex before marriage, it's up to the individual person. Some people don't care, some do, some are fine as long as they know they've found that special person. For me, marriage seems like a long ways off sadly, because of school and living far apart from my boyfriend, and us having no money. There was a time when I wanted to wait until I was married, if for nothing else than it seemed more romantic to actually be married and go off on a honeymoon and have everything be perfect for that first time. But since that could be years down the road, I decided I'm not going to wait that long, and just do it when the time feels right. I already know he's the man I want to marry, so it shouldn't really matter.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:40 pm
Vickicat I don't really understand this way of thinking that marriage is sexist. Could someone please explain this to me? Sure, maybe back in the old days when marriages were arranged or when men asked a girl's father if he could marry her, instead of the girl deciding on her own to marry the guy, and when women essentially became the man's property. But that's not how it is today, so what's the big deal? You keep all your rights to property and everything else. Hell, you don't even have to take your husband's name if you really don't want to. Marriage is something I really look forward to, and I think girls dream about getting married and having a beautiful wedding more than guys do. So I'm wondering where this kind of thinking is coming from. I think marriage is a wonderful thing, if done for love. There's a lot of other reasons people get married, which I feel are the wrong reasons, but what can you do. As for sex before marriage, it's up to the individual person. Some people don't care, some do, some are fine as long as they know they've found that special person. For me, marriage seems like a long ways off sadly, because of school and living far apart from my boyfriend, and us having no money. There was a time when I wanted to wait until I was married, if for nothing else than it seemed more romantic to actually be married and go off on a honeymoon and have everything be perfect for that first time. But since that could be years down the road, I decided I'm not going to wait that long, and just do it when the time feels right. I already know he's the man I want to marry, so it shouldn't really matter. I find marriage sexist because: 1. Women usually take their husband's name. You're right that they don't have to, but most do anyway for some reason. 2. Most women wear a big dress, even if they wear pants every other day of their life. If that wasn't bad enough, it's usually a white dress to symbolize virginity. Now, most women are not virgins when they get married, but for some reason, most of them still stick with the "the bride is a virgin, the groom is not" stereotype. 3. The whole purpose of marriage is sexist. If you look at the history and legality of marriage, you can see that it was never about love. It was about making a woman a man's property. You're right that marriage has changed a bit. Most couples do marry for love now. However, we can't ignore how sexist and offensive the history and original purpose of marriage is. 4. You're right; many girls do dream of having a big sexist wedding where they get to put on a puffy white dress, pretend to be a virgin, get their hair done, get their makeup done, etc. It's like society hardwires it into little girl's heads that they should look forward to this blatant display of sexism, and that's pretty sick in my opinion. Now, of course, there are ways to get married without being sexist. People can marry for love, they can both wear pants, neither can wear white, the wife can decline taking her husband's name, etc. Sadly, all of that is rarely done. If you want to get married without the sexism, however, hey, more power to you. There is even a chance that I will marry someday for health insurance or a tax break, and I assure you there will be no sexism in my marriage either. xp You may or may not agree with me. I am not trying to debate here. I gave my opinion, you asked me to elaborate, and there it is. I know a lot of people agree with me, and even more disagree with me. That's fine. 3nodding These are just my thoughts and feelings on most American marriages.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:22 pm
LorienLlewellyn Vickicat I don't really understand this way of thinking that marriage is sexist. Could someone please explain this to me? Sure, maybe back in the old days when marriages were arranged or when men asked a girl's father if he could marry her, instead of the girl deciding on her own to marry the guy, and when women essentially became the man's property. But that's not how it is today, so what's the big deal? You keep all your rights to property and everything else. Hell, you don't even have to take your husband's name if you really don't want to. Marriage is something I really look forward to, and I think girls dream about getting married and having a beautiful wedding more than guys do. So I'm wondering where this kind of thinking is coming from. I think marriage is a wonderful thing, if done for love. There's a lot of other reasons people get married, which I feel are the wrong reasons, but what can you do. As for sex before marriage, it's up to the individual person. Some people don't care, some do, some are fine as long as they know they've found that special person. For me, marriage seems like a long ways off sadly, because of school and living far apart from my boyfriend, and us having no money. There was a time when I wanted to wait until I was married, if for nothing else than it seemed more romantic to actually be married and go off on a honeymoon and have everything be perfect for that first time. But since that could be years down the road, I decided I'm not going to wait that long, and just do it when the time feels right. I already know he's the man I want to marry, so it shouldn't really matter. I find marriage sexist because: 1. Women usually take their husband's name. You're right that they don't have to, but most do anyway for some reason. 2. Most women wear a big dress, even if they wear pants every other day of their life. If that wasn't bad enough, it's usually a white dress to symbolize virginity. Now, most women are not virgins when they get married, but for some reason, most of them still stick with the "the bride is a virgin, the groom is not" stereotype. 3. The whole purpose of marriage is sexist. If you look at the history and legality of marriage, you can see that it was never about love. It was about making a woman a man's property. You're right that marriage has changed a bit. Most couples do marry for love now. However, we can't ignore how sexist and offensive the history and original purpose of marriage is. 4. You're right; many girls do dream of having a big sexist wedding where they get to put on a puffy white dress, pretend to be a virgin, get their hair done, get their makeup done, etc. It's like society hardwires it into little girl's heads that they should look forward to this blatant display of sexism, and that's pretty sick in my opinion. Now, of course, there are ways to get married without being sexist. People can marry for love, they can both wear pants, neither can wear white, the wife can decline taking her husband's name, etc. Sadly, all of that is rarely done. If you want to get married without the sexism, however, hey, more power to you. There is even a chance that I will marry someday for health insurance or a tax break, and I assure you there will be no sexism in my marriage either. xp You may or may not agree with me. I am not trying to debate here. I gave my opinion, you asked me to elaborate, and there it is. I know a lot of people agree with me, and even more disagree with me. That's fine. 3nodding These are just my thoughts and feelings on most American marriages. I totally agree with you. It makes me angry, really, to think about being called Mrs. My future husband's name. Hello, I'm a person too! I would love to get married, but my dress isn't going to be huge and it's NOT going to be white, it's not going to be in a church, I don't want to have kids, and I can't cook. Marriage should be about equality. Not Mr. and Mrs. Bob smith. It should be Mr. Smith and Ms. Lady. I am not going to change my name. I like who I am. I own myself, my future husband doesn't own me. I just don't think marriage is fair for women, even though i want to get married. I don't want to have a traditional wedding at all. And I want to be called Ms. not Mrs. so yeah. that's my opinion too.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:41 pm
xbookxwormx And I want to be called Ms. not Mrs. so yeah. that's my opinion too. When I have to fill out forms, I check "Ms." I hate how women have "Miss" and "Mrs." while men just have "Mr." I don't understand that. It's like it's implying that our relationship status matters and somehow defines who we are, but it doesn't matter for men. In high school I had a teacher who insisted on being called "Ms." If you called her "Miss" or "Mrs." she seriously freaked out.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:35 pm
LorienLlewellyn xbookxwormx And I want to be called Ms. not Mrs. so yeah. that's my opinion too. When I have to fill out forms, I check "Ms." I hate how women have "Miss" and "Mrs." while men just have "Mr." I don't understand that. It's like it's implying that our relationship status matters and somehow defines who we are, but it doesn't matter for men. In high school I had a teacher who insisted on being called "Ms." If you called her "Miss" or "Mrs." she seriously freaked out. yeah i know geez..stupid world and traditions traditions are for old people stare
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