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Khalida Nyoka

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:03 pm


It's true, and I just found out about it!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20227400/site/newsweek/


Aug. 20-27, 2007 issue - In one of history's more absurd acts of totalitarianism, China has banned Buddhist monks in Tibet from reincarnating without government permission. According to a statement issued by the State Administration for Religious Affairs, the law, which goes into effect next month and strictly stipulates the procedures by which one is to reincarnate, is "an important move to institutionalize management of reincarnation." But beyond the irony lies China's true motive: to cut off the influence of the Dalai Lama, Tibet's exiled spiritual and political leader, and to quell the region's Buddhist religious establishment more than 50 years after China invaded the small Himalayan country. By barring any Buddhist monk living outside China from seeking reincarnation, the law effectively gives Chinese authorities the power to choose the next Dalai Lama, whose soul, by tradition, is reborn as a new human to continue the work of relieving suffering.



At 72, the Dalai Lama, who has lived in India since 1959, is beginning to plan his succession, saying that he refuses to be reborn in Tibet so long as it's under Chinese control. Assuming he's able to master the feat of controlling his rebirth, as Dalai Lamas supposedly have for the last 600 years, the situation is shaping up in which there could be two Dalai Lamas: one picked by the Chinese government, the other by Buddhist monks. "It will be a very hot issue," says Paul Harrison, a Buddhism scholar at Stanford. "The Dalai Lama has been the prime symbol of unity and national identity in Tibet, and so it's quite likely the battle for his incarnation will be a lot more important than the others."

So where in the world will the next Dalai Lama be born? Harrison and other Buddhism scholars agree that it will likely be from within the 130,000 Tibetan exiles spread throughout India, Europe and North America. With an estimated 8,000 Tibetans living in the United States, could the next Dalai Lama be American-born? "You'll have to ask him," says Harrison. If so, he'll likely be welcomed into a culture that has increasingly embraced reincarnation over the years. According to a 2005 Gallup poll, 20 percent of all U.S. adults believe in reincarnation. Recent surveys by the Barna Group, a Christian research nonprofit, have found that a quarter of U.S. Christians, including 10 percent of all born-again Christians, embrace it as their favored end-of-life view. A non-Tibetan Dalai Lama, experts say, is probably out of the question.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:20 pm


Don't leave your soul within Chinese jurisdiction, that's what I say.

Seriously, though, the Dalai Lama is cool, I read some of a book he wrote, and he's a very cool guy. One of the best religious figures I've seen because he's all like "Believing what you like is totally cool" and "I'm down with science guiding the scope of religion and stuff" and he's just great. I hope he gets his successor, and China doesn't ******** it up too much.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:28 pm


Can't the Dalai Lama just order a bunch of monks to immolate themselves? Or is that a different sect? That would be one hell of a protest.

I think it's one of the dumbest things ever to try to pass legislation on reincarnation. It's not like China is gonna send out the Spirit Police and hunt you down for reincarnating without a license. What a bunch of morons.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:33 pm


Obscurus
Can't the Dalai Lama just order a bunch of monks to immolate themselves? Or is that a different sect? That would be one hell of a protest.

I think it's one of the dumbest things ever to try to pass legislation on reincarnation. It's not like China is gonna send out the Spirit Police and hunt you down for reincarnating without a license. What a bunch of morons.

Actually it is quite intelligent. You see, I'm guessing for the next generations the chinese government will be able to execute ANYONE they want for reincarnating without proper consent. And given the chinese populaces' spirituality they may very well tollerate it as long as the government doesn't go over-board.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:38 pm


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Can't the Dalai Lama just order a bunch of monks to immolate themselves? Or is that a different sect? That would be one hell of a protest.

I think it's one of the dumbest things ever to try to pass legislation on reincarnation. It's not like China is gonna send out the Spirit Police and hunt you down for reincarnating without a license. What a bunch of morons.

Actually it is quite intelligent. You see, I'm guessing for the next generations the chinese government will be able to execute ANYONE they want for reincarnating without proper consent. And given the chinese populaces' spirituality they may very well tollerate it as long as the government doesn't go over-board.


Honestly, is unlicensed reincarnation really the biggest threat to China right now though? They've got a bat-s**t crazy dictator a little south of them that's trying to get IBMs to work and a nuclear program.

Oh, and the lead paint.

I just think this is a little overboard just to control Tibet.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:09 pm


Obscurus
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Can't the Dalai Lama just order a bunch of monks to immolate themselves? Or is that a different sect? That would be one hell of a protest.

I think it's one of the dumbest things ever to try to pass legislation on reincarnation. It's not like China is gonna send out the Spirit Police and hunt you down for reincarnating without a license. What a bunch of morons.

Actually it is quite intelligent. You see, I'm guessing for the next generations the chinese government will be able to execute ANYONE they want for reincarnating without proper consent. And given the chinese populaces' spirituality they may very well tollerate it as long as the government doesn't go over-board.


Honestly, is unlicensed reincarnation really the biggest threat to China right now though? They've got a bat-s**t crazy dictator a little south of them that's trying to get IBMs to work and a nuclear program.

Oh, and the lead paint.

I just think this is a little overboard just to control Tibet.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:54 am


And how the ******** to they plan to enforce that? Are they going to have agents treading the world of shadow and the astral plane with spiritual handcuffs to arrest the offenders? neutral
PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:09 am


rofl.. thats the dumbest idea ive ever herd.. and its sad to think that there serious..

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:11 am


I heard about this one a while back. It's just silly; I couldn't help but laugh at the complete absurdity of the law.

But Obscurus does make a point about "enforcement". One I didn't think of...kind of scary, really.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:58 pm


I don't mean to necro post or anything, but there is a guild on gaia that just started up, Gaians for a Free Tibet. We want to give Tibet their independence and freedom of religion back. I'm a member, so you can find the link on my profile page.

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fluffysteel2

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:00 pm


They're just jelous.
chinese people, we all know you dont have souls.
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