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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:21 pm
All right, I'm sure we all know what Otherkin are, as well as some of what Spirit Animals are.
I myself do not believe in reincarnation, so the idea of Otherkin is kind of iffy to me. However, I try my best to keep an open mind to everything, because in the end, I just might be wrong.
Simply for me, Otherkin seems absurd because it sounds like your generic God-modding role-play character. "I'm a level 78 human-elf-werewolf-vampire-dragon that can throw fireballs." I don't mean to insult anyone who claims to be an otherkin, simply the idea of it...just seems implausible to me.
But, I was thinking; and maybe Otherkin are simply people more attuned to Spirit Animals. Indeed, it's a possibility that the animals that they see themselves as are simply their guides. Perhaps the Spirit Animals that are their guides are so closely attached to us, that their particular species is a part of our etheric or astral bodies. The point being, otherkin are people born with more extra-sensory perception than the rest of us, and can see these parts of themselves.
As the title states, it's just a theory, but I'd like to hear everyone's opinions on it.
Thanks for your time.
Cheers to mates and to knowledge!
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:39 pm
I'm still kind of skeptical about this "Otherkin" stuff. To be entirely honest, this forum is the first place I ever read about something like that, which makes me believe it is some kind of recent cultural vogue. The only thing I had heard about was the astral-energetic vampirism, but that's hardly a part-non-human phenomena. At least the one I had notice about was another kind of phenomenon. I don't want to sound disrespectful of the ones who have posted that they believe in it, but I also agree that, as far as I've seen, it sounds to me like something taken from fictional books and role-plays. So, I'm still looking for more information about it.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:27 pm
For the record, if you come into most otherkin communities claiming to have three or four kintypes then you are sort of look at as a fluffy in most places I've seen. I'm willing to accept that someone is an otherkin if they claim to have one or possibly even two, but beyond that it seems like exactly what you said.
In order to believe you're an otherkin you have to believe in reincarnation. If you don't believe in reincarnation then it sort of follows that you don't believe in otherkin.
I'm not sure that a soul can be a different species. I'm more of the view that a soul is a soul is a soul regardless of the vessel it's in. I have seen it described as pouring water into different bowls over a time, but the water dissolves something and carries it into another bowl. Hence the animal whatever characteristics.
It really just comes down to belief, although I will admit that a lot of self-described otherkin (as well as vampires, or witches, or psions, etc.) do seem rather fluffy.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:18 am
I don't want to burst your bubble, but this isn't a new theory. I've seen it several times, mainly in the otherkin community itself. Of course, I don't say this to belittle what you said; the fact that you came up with it by yourself is still the same, and that's an amazing thing. It truly is.
If you don't believe in reincarnation, it certainly makes it harder to believe in otherkin. I will come right out now and say that I am one, even though I hate the term. I could get away with it without a belief in reincarnation, however, since I'm an angelic and was sent into a body just the same as any human spirit was.
This theory is something otherkin point out to the more 'fluffy' people; especially those that have multiple kin-types (which, by the way, if someone has more than one I become EXTREMELY skeptical of them). I think it is true in a lot of cases; that a person is just more highly attuned to certain animal spirits. However, I think there are cases where true otherkin exist, even though it's pretty rare.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:51 am
Don't follow anything and question everything.
Why not believe in reincarnation? Physics kinda shows souls exist, and the soul cannot be destroyed. Thus... the entire universe would have to freaking filled to the brim with billions upon billions of souls, right? No?
The idea of "Heaven" doesn't make much sense to me, because christianity seems to just completely appeal to what everyone wants to hear, and what's been tought for as long as history exists, "Be good and finish your dinner, and you get a good dessert".
Reincarnation makes sense to me because... well, it just makes sense. Why wouldn't a soul go into a body again?
People tend to say that what they want is reality. Well, reality is RARELY ever what we want, especially when it comes to psychic stuff. I think a lot of otherkin wannabes are out there, and there are a lot of otherkin-posers.
Me? I've felt angel wings before, and I've felt a tail and wolf-ish ears on my head before. I've also gone almost completely insane and almost mauled someone out of some memory that I can't remember anymore. I've also studied angelic things and then gone into some blank blind realization without thought that made me forget the english language for an hour. It's nucking futs, and it sucking ********.
I've had hte memories, real or not, I know otherkin and reincarnation exist. Almost all psychic-type peoples believe in reincarnation for a reason.
I don't care what I am, what you are, or what the posers are. I do want to know that if we have spirit guides... WHY DON"T THEY HELP US?! scream I swear, if I have a spirit guide I will kill it. I will dissasemble it's soul energy and kill it for never helping me stressed
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:21 am
LoBo_23 I don't care what I am, what you are, or what the posers are. I do want to know that if we have spirit guides... WHY DON"T THEY HELP US?! scream I swear, if I have a spirit guide I will kill it. I will dissasemble it's soul energy and kill it for never helping me stressed Well, there are some theories (in the psychological world, no less!) that what we call spirit guide, guardian angel, daimon, or genius are all the same thing. They are holders and wardens of our destiny; they hint and demand but do not act as conscience. It's an interesting view that might explain. I mean, there is free will; their callings can be ignored, run from, embraced...but they're still there. Just something I've been reading lately.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:09 pm
wow... seeing fluffy used in such bad terms kinda hurt me. xd just kidding.
to the thread.. yeah your idea does seem plausible. in fact, i was in an early childhood class this evening and read that when a person (in your theory the soul) suffers from so much abuse over whatever amount of time, it completely shuts down and goes into primal survival mode where it only thinks about food shelter and water and how to get them... which would support your theory if prooven (about souls).
your theory reminds me of this because your idea implies to me (only becuase i still have these thoughts fresh in my head) that someone is more in touch with their soul, say becasue their soul shut donw to primal state, while they can still form cognative thoughts because their brain has developed.
im not sure if thats what you meant or if im just going off assuming things again but if im off topic then sorry about that. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:17 pm
WhiteyHimself I don't mean to insult anyone who claims to be an otherkin, simply the idea of it...just seems implausible to me. Implausible but not impossible! Frankly,I haven't found my spirit gaurdian or figured out if I am kin.But still,doubt feeds on these ideas.Doubt it and you shall not see it.
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:01 am
Dark_of_Niwa Doubt it and you shall not see it. That's not true in my case. eek
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:21 pm
Wings of Aegis Dark_of_Niwa Doubt it and you shall not see it. That's not true in my case. eek What she said. I've at least partially doubted for years, but I cannot fully disprove it. Especially considering others well-versed in energy sensing and manipulation have confirmed my suspicions. I don't consider myself special, or one of those "I'm five different types of otherkin!" people. I'm a human, first and foremost, and that will not change...I just happen to have some attributes of something else, too. Kind of like the "bowl theory" talked about earlier, I guess. I don't know how to fully explain it, which may lead to my minor doubts about some claims, but I can't deny its existence any further.
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:34 pm
Obscurus For the record, if you come into most otherkin communities claiming to have three or four kintypes then you are sort of look at as a fluffy in most places I've seen. I'm willing to accept that someone is an otherkin if they claim to have one or possibly even two, but beyond that it seems like exactly what you said. In order to believe you're an otherkin you have to believe in reincarnation. If you don't believe in reincarnation then it sort of follows that you don't believe in otherkin. I'm not sure that a soul can be a different species. I'm more of the view that a soul is a soul is a soul regardless of the vessel it's in. I have seen it described as pouring water into different bowls over a time, but the water dissolves something and carries it into another bowl. Hence the animal whatever characteristics. It really just comes down to belief, although I will admit that a lot of self-described otherkin (as well as vampires, or witches, or psions, etc.) do seem rather fluffy. I know someone that claims he doesn't believe in reincarnation and that he was meant to be something else... the thing is it seems he is similar to the people that do believe in reincarnation. I guess some people don't fathom the idea of "returning" again and again or something... sweatdrop I would think that not believing in the soul would mean you couldn't believe in otherkin... Because personally to me, I don't have that view of "soul is soul"... I find it hard to believe, personally. Either it's like the water in the bowl idea, or... well, I mean anything of a species is technically the same, yet different at the same time, am I right?
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:13 pm
aaarhus Obscurus For the record, if you come into most otherkin communities claiming to have three or four kintypes then you are sort of look at as a fluffy in most places I've seen. I'm willing to accept that someone is an otherkin if they claim to have one or possibly even two, but beyond that it seems like exactly what you said. In order to believe you're an otherkin you have to believe in reincarnation. If you don't believe in reincarnation then it sort of follows that you don't believe in otherkin. I'm not sure that a soul can be a different species. I'm more of the view that a soul is a soul is a soul regardless of the vessel it's in. I have seen it described as pouring water into different bowls over a time, but the water dissolves something and carries it into another bowl. Hence the animal whatever characteristics. It really just comes down to belief, although I will admit that a lot of self-described otherkin (as well as vampires, or witches, or psions, etc.) do seem rather fluffy. I know someone that claims he doesn't believe in reincarnation and that he was meant to be something else... the thing is it seems he is similar to the people that do believe in reincarnation. I guess some people don't fathom the idea of "returning" again and again or something... sweatdrop I would think that not believing in the soul would mean you couldn't believe in otherkin... Because personally to me, I don't have that view of "soul is soul"... I find it hard to believe, personally. Either it's like the water in the bowl idea, or... well, I mean anything of a species is technically the same, yet different at the same time, am I right? In my view, a soul is put into a certain vessel to learn a lesson from physical reality, not because it's a "human soul" or a "cat soul" or what have you. Not to say that a soul can't take on characteristics of a previous vessel, but I don't think that a soul absolutely *is* a certain variety of soul. It's just a soul.
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:16 am
Obscurus In order to believe you're an otherkin you have to believe in reincarnation. If you don't believe in reincarnation then it sort of follows that you don't believe in otherkin. I'm not sure that a soul can be a different species. I'm more of the view that a soul is a soul is a soul regardless of the vessel it's in. I have seen it described as pouring water into different bowls over a time, but the water dissolves something and carries it into another bowl. Hence the animal whatever characteristics. It really just comes down to belief, although I will admit that a lot of self-described otherkin (as well as vampires, or witches, or psions, etc.) do seem rather fluffy. This. To me, the idea that the soul carries characteristics of its vehicle depending on the species is rather silly. The only thing as far as I am concerned that dictates the destination of your soul is your karmic actions. In order for otherkin to exist, karma has to make mistakes. A balancing force as old as the universe itself ******** up and puts souls in the wrong bodies? Nah. Sorry.
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:36 am
Blind Guardian the 2nd Obscurus In order to believe you're an otherkin you have to believe in reincarnation. If you don't believe in reincarnation then it sort of follows that you don't believe in otherkin. I'm not sure that a soul can be a different species. I'm more of the view that a soul is a soul is a soul regardless of the vessel it's in. I have seen it described as pouring water into different bowls over a time, but the water dissolves something and carries it into another bowl. Hence the animal whatever characteristics. It really just comes down to belief, although I will admit that a lot of self-described otherkin (as well as vampires, or witches, or psions, etc.) do seem rather fluffy. This. To me, the idea that the soul carries characteristics of its vehicle depending on the species is rather silly. The only thing as far as I am concerned that dictates the destination of your soul is your karmic actions. In order for otherkin to exist, karma has to make mistakes. A balancing force as old as the universe itself ******** up and puts souls in the wrong bodies? Nah. Sorry. Puts them in different bodies deliberately in order to teach em s**t they couldn't learn otherwise, and also for the lulz?
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:21 am
Joshua_Ritter Blind Guardian the 2nd Obscurus In order to believe you're an otherkin you have to believe in reincarnation. If you don't believe in reincarnation then it sort of follows that you don't believe in otherkin. I'm not sure that a soul can be a different species. I'm more of the view that a soul is a soul is a soul regardless of the vessel it's in. I have seen it described as pouring water into different bowls over a time, but the water dissolves something and carries it into another bowl. Hence the animal whatever characteristics. It really just comes down to belief, although I will admit that a lot of self-described otherkin (as well as vampires, or witches, or psions, etc.) do seem rather fluffy. This. To me, the idea that the soul carries characteristics of its vehicle depending on the species is rather silly. The only thing as far as I am concerned that dictates the destination of your soul is your karmic actions. In order for otherkin to exist, karma has to make mistakes. A balancing force as old as the universe itself ******** up and puts souls in the wrong bodies? Nah. Sorry. Puts them in different bodies deliberately in order to teach em s**t they couldn't learn otherwise, and also for the lulz?That's pretty much what I believe, minus for the lulz...though that probably is an added bonus. xd I don't know. I think, at the core, our souls ARE all the same--they are made of the same substance coming from the same source. But at the same time, there are different types of souls. Think of it like a lump of clay; it's all still clay, even if you mold part of it into a dog-shape, and part of it into a human-shape. The clay is then solidified. The dog can't change itself into the human-shape, nor the other way around; the shape is permanent. You can stick the clay dog inside of a human costume, but inside it's still a dog. But it's still made of the same clay as the human figure. I suck at randomly creating metaphors. stare
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