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 Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:39 am
Umm i had sex with my spirit guide who is the angel micheal but so could i be pregnat and how do i find out????/
Jay kay. So I was reading Generation Hex (bunch of stories by youngish magicians about what they do, edited by Jason Louv, published by Disinfo), pondering on the possibilities of sex magick, and a (very) queer thought popped into my head.
Is it possible to get "pregnant" with a spirit? As in, could you aetherially/astrally/psionically concieve and birth a spirit/construct/servitor/being of some description? The implications are pretty awesome - you could have someone shag you stupid and help concieve a spirit guide with all of yours plus the other person's magickal potency, or knock someone up with a poltergeist.
And just to clarify -- By concieve, I mean with two (or more!) humans here; the two humans involved wouldn't even need to be opposite sexes, since the spirit-child would effectively be concieved using astral/psi energy.
I don't mean one person having concieving with a spirit partner... although /that/ would be interesting. In fact, discuss that too.
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:50 am
Mitsh... you scare me sometimes. xD Actually, though, I asked Winged-sensei something like this a while ago. o.O It was more of 'can a person impregnate a construct?' though... *shrugs* I'm not one to try, though. o.o Either one of those ideas.
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:02 am
It's an interesting idea, but how would it be done? I know very little about sex magic, to be honest. =/ Would perhaps, simply leaving a little bit of a construct inside one of the people work?
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:02 am
Epsilon Riddle Mitsh... you scare me sometimes. xD Actually, though, I asked Winged-sensei something like this a while ago. o.O It was more of 'can a person impregnate a construct?' though... *shrugs* I'm not one to try, though. o.o Either one of those ideas. I do my best to terrify. ;D I dunno, I'm quite interested by this idea. All constructs are made out of your own energy, but how many of them are really nurtured beforehand? Likewise, people've been making homunculi...ahem... single-handedly for years (the whole jar, horse manure, semen and blood shtick that Agrippa brought to us), so what's to stop two folk (best case scenario, two magick-users) using sex magick (which, let's face it, is pretty ******** magickal at the most mundane of times) making a single construct-thingy that has both their "energy signatures" and attributes? I think it'd be pretty sweet. o3o
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:56 am
rofltacos rofl
that intro scared me xd
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:07 pm
thats a very interesting, yet disturbing, idea mitsh.. ill admit, i was goign to ask that question once shortly after i joined teh guild but to my luck there was a thread that said "astral erectile disfunction" or something along the lines about haveing astral AIDS and i imediately droped the idea and went to my crying corner in my room.
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:54 pm
Astral STD's....LOL!!!!!!
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:26 pm
Tetraya Astral STD's....LOL!!!!!!
I think this could work, depends on how you do it. Nothing seems to be impossible, depending on wether you believe an energy creature made from you can be an independent life form, and not just a slave, servant, or machine.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:48 am
(Warning: this post will probably seem silly but I actually like the idea)
No one has mentioned Spirit rape yet...
What about forcing your energies upon someone else, and leaving that special little memento behind?
If it is possible to do so willingly, it should be possible to do so unwillingly...
Which then lead to spirit abortions. Technically it was never alive (in the biological sense), so could there be any problems with aborting the spirit fetus? What demands would arise from the "mother (carrier?)" if they took the spirit to term? How would a spirit abortion be performed?
WE MUST TEST THIS.
We need three to four people now... At least one "father(donor)" and at least two "mother(carrier/incubator)s." One "mother" who is well versed, and thinks they know what they're doing (spiritually, magickally, etc.), and one who doesn't. So we get the idea of what happens when someone is not ready for a spirit-child, and how rough it is even when someone does have an idea what to do. (optional extra "mother" for figuring out how to spirit-abort)
Any takers?
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:47 pm
Khalida Nyoka (Warning: this post will probably seem silly but I actually like the idea) No one has mentioned Spirit rape yet... What about forcing your energies upon someone else, and leaving that special little memento behind? If it is possible to do so willingly, it should be possible to do so unwillingly... Which then lead to spirit abortions. Technically it was never alive (in the biological sense), so could there be any problems with aborting the spirit fetus? What demands would arise from the "mother (carrier?)" if they took the spirit to term? How would a spirit abortion be performed? WE MUST TEST THIS. We need three to four people now... At least one "father(donor)" and at least two "mother(carrier/incubator)s." One "mother" who is well versed, and thinks they know what they're doing (spiritually, magickally, etc.), and one who doesn't. So we get the idea of what happens when someone is not ready for a spirit-child, and how rough it is even when someone does have an idea what to do. (optional extra "mother" for figuring out how to spirit-abort) Any takers?
acctualy it woldnt be a bad experiment but i dont want to do anything of the sort. crying had to pa spiritchild supposrt. donateing my energy daily....
but i honestly dont think you can have a spirit abortion. i mena, think about it. oyu would have to expell it from the 'mother spirit' like you would a fetis from the womb, right? how would you do that with bioelectricity? im pretty sure if it oculd combine together so perfectly to make another spritual being it woldnt be easily divisible, if at all possible.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:46 pm
Looking at spiritAIDS...
If one "parent" had spiritAIDS then the other would contract it... and the "child" would have it too... but could the child "die" from it? What if it lived, disembodied, and then started infecting other people who don't know/understand any shielding?
Is an understanding of shielding like a spirit-condom? Would it be possible to use said s-condoms for "practice runs?"
At that point could one make some sort of construct that would be like a spirit-birth control pill? What about a day-after pill?
This whole concept raises so many questions...
fluffysteel2:
Maybe the spirit-abortion could be ritualistic? Get some sort of fruit or something that carries the meaning of either life or fertility... then rituallistically smash the thing to hell? Maybe insert a small doll or something inside it... then smash it...
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:21 am
Spirit Rape sounds like next-generation cursing if you ask me. I'd sure like to see some experiments being made in regard to that.
Spirit Abortion makes me kind of wtf-y; Precisely how would you be aborting it? Is it severing the energy-ties between the "mother" and the "child"? Would banishing the entity be considered abortion? What happens to the "mother", and what if the "child" lived?
As per spirit-AIDS... I don't think there is such a thing as SAIDS (as in, "naturally occuring" SAIDS), and that we shouldn't go about testing it, since it'd mean a whole lot more hassle when it comes to energyworking and/or magick, and we already have enough of that.
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:48 pm
Khalida Nyoka (Warning: this post will probably seem silly but I actually like the idea) No one has mentioned Spirit rape yet... What about forcing your energies upon someone else, and leaving that special little memento behind? If it is possible to do so willingly, it should be possible to do so unwillingly... Which then lead to spirit abortions. Technically it was never alive (in the biological sense), so could there be any problems with aborting the spirit fetus? What demands would arise from the "mother (carrier?)" if they took the spirit to term? How would a spirit abortion be performed? WE MUST TEST THIS. We need three to four people now... At least one "father(donor)" and at least two "mother(carrier/incubator)s." One "mother" who is well versed, and thinks they know what they're doing (spiritually, magickally, etc.), and one who doesn't. So we get the idea of what happens when someone is not ready for a spirit-child, and how rough it is even when someone does have an idea what to do. (optional extra "mother" for figuring out how to spirit-abort) Any takers?
In which case, I'm almost considering signing up for the fatherly role of an energetic bundle of..ethereal energy. So long as it doesn't turn out like Frankenstein's monster did and wind up attacking everyone close to me. D=
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:02 pm
Khalida Nyoka Looking at spiritAIDS... If one "parent" had spiritAIDS then the other would contract it... and the "child" would have it too... but could the child "die" from it? What if it lived, disembodied, and then started infecting other people who don't know/understand any shielding? Is an understanding of shielding like a spirit-condom? Would it be possible to use said s-condoms for "practice runs?" At that point could one make some sort of construct that would be like a spirit-birth control pill? What about a day-after pill? This whole concept raises so many questions... fluffysteel2: Maybe the spirit-abortion could be ritualistic? Get some sort of fruit or something that carries the meaning of either life or fertility... then rituallistically smash the thing to hell? Maybe insert a small doll or something inside it... then smash it...
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:53 pm
I think before we get into all of this we need to define the concept of energy based "life" as opposed to other things. I believe the difference lies in purpose.
Constructs make have some elements of variability or intelligence, but I find ultimately they are servants to a programed purpose that defines their entire existence and can be grouped as very complicated machines.
People are not ultimately defined from without or limited, and have the freedom to choose their own circumstances, interests, and goals. They have an element of existence which cannot really be created or defined by something else, and I think pragmatically we can call this a soul.
To have a spirit pregnancy, first of all we will have to define we are working in a realm that has forms and bodies at least similar to our own, with critical differences we will use in our experiments. But I think the element of spirit children as opposed to making spirit constructs attached to ones body, will determine how we should proceed.
On a realm defined mostly by purpose and energy as a opposed to physics and mechanics, it would probably be easier to contract spirit diseases, which could be defined as negative energy or malicious constructs, but also easier to cure them.
So, pretty much, if we succeed, we will create a living person made of energy, and I don't think it would be a good idea to kill off a lot of those, particularly because we aren't sure when it would go from bundle of energy to something with a conciousness. lulz, energy abortion debate.
But yeah, those are my thoughts.
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