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Sorry had to edit this seeing as thier was already a thread for these two.

(edit): no no i got a better subject hope this works out.

What do you guys think of all the different relationships in Loveless? and have you noticed how diferently they act towards each other much?

not just romantic (come on >>;; ) but platonic to and even platonic and romance binded together, the way Ritsuka interacts with everybody is different, its like what Kogua mentioned earlier on.

with Soubi he is like a house wife, with Seimei he is innocent, with Yukio he is a decent friend.

Yes they do dont they ^^
Natsuo proved that in the 6th volume to.

After reading the 6th book i think its Natsuo who would be seme to X3 i dident know before, but after that.. i think Natsuo would be it i dunno... at first i tohught Natsuo would be it cause when Youji was hurt he looked like a uke caring for his seme, but other than that Youji has proved to be more uke.

like his attitude he is always angesting in a uke way and its just like Ritsuka's sometimes.

I totally agree with yah trouble is before they dident drop any hints of them being an item (or slowly becoming one like fighting pairs their age do.)

Their relationship is like Midori's and Ai's most of the time you see they are like partners, but sometimes (or at least once) you see hints between them like when Ai blushed.

but of course you can tell who the female of the relationship is then (using female and male of the relationship type of thing cause uke and seme dosent mean places in relationships really, more like in control and all that lot even in the ren-ai world this happens i learned down at Rasburesu, but eh... i dont see the true meaning anyway and 99 per cent of the manga uses it for a female and male of the relationship anyway, like in Godchild that main character is meant to be the uke to his butler.

but of course in the whole master and servant situation he is the seme but yea.. i dont think mangaka's dont see it that way as the same with 99 per cent of the population go with personality and (sadly) 90 per cent of the population goes for stuff like ''how girly they look'' or ''how tall and short they are'' or silly excuses.

if you ask me (unless of course they dont concentraite on the whole non female and male in the relationship thing) i should think the population should go with personality really, and if they want to pair their fav character up and claim him as an uke for absurd reasons they should at least admit that their would be seme when their not and just say ''to me their uke''

like what i just admitted just now ^^; before this i would of said that the female would be uke and male seme to make things easier but yea.. if the male aint a seme then i cant use it can i? its like with Sleepless, Kinka is a uke whilst Ginka but of course she is a female so she be female in the relationship (the person who wears the pants but yea... argh.. its so confusing >>;;; damn... it'd be a lot easier if it was a BL couple then we could say that the seme that is a uke by personality would be the one to turn into the girl.

like Ritsuka, by personality + total uke (most ukiest i seen to)

but of course he is a sacrifice (and unless he turns into a fighter and becomes Seimei fighter) he is a seme by the whole master and servant thing.

so all in all he would be the one to turn into a girl.

silly true meanings make my head hurt -_-;; i mean.. theirs even oe for pentraiting to aitn their? but that dosent matter on top of the whole master and servant thing plus sometimes the uke would have to be on top sometimes so..... that one should really be counted eithier (like what i mentioned above even females can be seme.)

Nah Seimei wouldent be uke to Soubi he'd be seme defently, for these two there is no devolped relationship (in any kind whatso ever) so we just use the whole controlling thing.) i know what you mean bout the whole Seimei x Soubi thing to X__X that makes me shudder, always has done always will!

i came to terms with it better a little bit well.. the right way to say it was back in them days i used to to hate the couple, see it totally forbbiden, i always feared they had somesort of past....even before i started supporting Seimei x Ritsuka i had ALWAYS disliked it, mainly due to the fact that.. well.... because of the whole brother relationship thing, i guess.. even back then deep inside my destiny of Aoyagicest was calling to me (then again im like that with any anime family really X_X i'd rather see incest happen rather than a BF go off with a family member that they have a good relaitonship with, one of them shuddering things.)

Seimei x Nisei i dislike to for i feel Nisei is taking Seimei away from Ritsuka, but good news is as time passed on and the more i learnt stuff and started reading the volumes the clearer i see ''Seimei is not interested in them whatso ever'' of course.. i hope fate dont smack me for that... so i will say the whole its not over till its over thing.. but from what i seen so far (and i think the confirmination and the begining of vol 7) i can safely say.... that Seimei only is interested in Ritsuka thus far, and unless he changes (which dear lord i HOPE not) he is gonna stay that way to.

i dont belive i would say this but.. i'd rather him dead (with or without Ritsuka) than get it on with Soubi or Nisei.

and yes dont you just hate the whole ''make them ukes cause they are girly'' situations? i mean.. i think theirs some ppl out there that think kaworu would be uke to Shinji X.X;; luckily though that population is small so its normal.

what is really annoying is the whole Yuuri x Wolfram thing, Yuuri screams uke.. and yet.. most of the population goes for that couple.

also they think Ed is a uke to because of his height and long hair URGGH so so many ppl..... ah well.. their minds.. their choices... so long as i know the true place and i like it thats all that matters.

and i think theirs even some ppl that would want to pass Soubi off as girly so they can pretend he is uke to.... damn it.. if they want him uke so badly then why dont they use the master accuse only? and if they DO go for personality then pair him up with Ritsu (young or old) cause all in all i like Ritsu x Soubi anyway and would see him uke with him, but with Ritsuka, Kiyo (as mcuh as i would like him to be uke in this relationship) he is seme.

(edit): i know this sounds weird but.. i think their is two types of semes really.. like what i seen before somebody said females can be seme to well.. i reckon their a a female like seme, and male like seme, both seme's but act differently.

like.. female semes (which would be Ritsuka if he.....er... was a woman ^^; ) would act all house wife and queen like, its like on volume 6 of the manga, when i looked at it i thought ''queen Ritsuka'' not ''King Ritsuka (no.. thats Seimei's place'') QUEEN Ritsuka.

its like Rukia from Bleach to, she'd be seme (with.. eithier Ichigo or Renji (which i think is MUCh suited with Renji) but of course we dont see Renji act all Hanatarou do we? and we dont see Rukia act like Seimei eithier, in fact.. she reminds me of Ritsuka in places..... tough like semes always are, but in the end of the day they emotional side gets the better of them.

lol i know what you mean i dont like him paired up with anybody eles eithier, and his choices of other people are well..... .... disturbing to..... somewhere (hope fate dont smack me for this but..) i think that Kouga did that on purpose, and also i seen as the series progresses Seimei x Soubi became more and more unlikely, its like at the start you think theirs something betwen them and thats where i reckon why Kouga did that guess so early so it can be out of the way.

if this was a normal anime in these situations people would think ''oh yea.. they SO got it on'' and in which they would of however Loveless aint that kind of manga, also the whole Seimei role is different to, the whole ''they seem nice but turn bad'' situation, but normally what people would do with this kind of thing is they dont reveal they are bad till you get to know them, as soon as Loveless started you found out that Seimei started to b a bad egg, i reckon she did the whole Seimei thing on purpose to.

yea X_X he is mean to Rit aint he? when he started being mean to Rit saying all that horrible stuff... and Ritsuka was upset cause of the dream i had hated him since then, reading volume 6 dident help any eithier :/ he come out and said that he hates Ritsuka, now i DEFENTLY want him to stay away from Seimei.


''f''ing tards who stuck up for him >>;;; its always ''stick up for Souuubi this'' ''stick up for niiiiseeei that'' honestly all in all they are rooting and bashing wrong teams :/ with Soubi i'd understand at some extent because he does have a miserable life, but i have not seen anybdoy stick up for ritsuka even ONCE!!!! its always Soubi and if we are lucky Nisei X_X bash bash Seimei, and forget aobut Ritsuka ;O; hellllloooooooo people RITSUKA IS THE ONE THAT SUFFERS HE MOST AND IS THE MAIN CHARACTER!!!! if they dislike Seimei then of course thats their opinion but to bash? and also they could at least have an open mind about him not being killed for Ritsuka's sake to!

not so long ago somebody commented on my comment and said ''yea.. i agree it'd be best for Seimei to live for Ritsukas sake'' and im like (in my mind) YAY finally >>;; somebody who is OPEN minded!