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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:20 am


Everyone has their weaknesses, and lately I have come to find that one of mine seems to be chastity. There's this boy, see, and he's really fun to hang out with. We dated for a few months earlier this year, then broke up, but we never stopped having feelings for each other, and over the summer we've sort of "gotten back together". For a while all we shared were chaste kisses. Then all of the sudden it got a whole lot further. And over the past week, we got more involved than I ever imagined we would. (I am still a virgin and we never touched each other between the legs, by the way) But I just didn't want to stop, and to my shame, I couldn't make myself feel truly bad about what I'd done because of the way it made me feel.

Just some more info:
He's not LDS, so he doesn't understand chastity the way I do, so it's hard to explain it to him, especially when I've let him do as much as I have. I'm leaving for one of the BYU schools in two weeks, and he's still got his senior year of high school ahead of him. I cannot say that either of us feel like we are truly in love.

So how can I make myself feel a broken heart for what I've done, when the overwhelming feeling is to think, "Oh well, I'm moving to BYU soon, so that'll end this problem"? And how far does a person "go" before they should see their bishop/not take the sacrament/not go to the temple? How do I know how bad my sins are so I can repent, because I know I have to, and especially when it feels like I'm not strong enough to choose the right?

I've always been "that girl with the stong testimony" in my ward/stake, and I know I'm supposed to be a strong example to others, and I owe it to my future E.C. to be as pure as possible, so part of me feels so ashamed that I could fail in something so elementary as chastity. I feel like almost any other weakness would be less shameful, because I really do have a strong testimony. I just can't seem to be nearly as chaste as I should be.

Please help me.

-Chased, but not Chaste
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:40 pm


First of all, chastity is not elementary. Like most temptations, it only seems so when it's not right in front of you.

Don't try to make yourself feel bad about this temptation. Seriously. You do not want to make yourself feel that sexual attraction and activity is bad and to be avoided. You owe it as much to yourself as your E.C. to have a heart ready to experience and accept these joys in their proper context.

The thing about giving in to temptation is that it doesn't always make you feel guilty. If that were so then I think this world would be very different! Not to denigrate anyone's struggle but sometimes temptation is kinda like being a kid caught eating a cookie. The cookie was yummy; the kid can't feel bad about enjoying it. All the kid knows is that he broke a rule.

Go to God and tell him you're sorry for breaking His rule and ask for His help in keeping it. Then go to the Bishop and ask for his counsel. Do not worry about your reputation as the girl with the strong testimony. No one is served by that kind of concern. Get help if you need help -- having someone know your pains and helping you through them is absolutely invaluable. Also remember something someone said to me when I was struggling with my faith: "You never know when someone is watching your sputtering candle and wishing they had the strength to stand against the wind."

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:45 pm


O.o oooo...... okay.... this is awkward....

Personally, if you have to ask whether or not you need to see your bishop, you need to see your bishop. Forget your rep and all that jazz, do waht you know to be right. The bishop can adn will help you if you're willing to accept the help. It's all confidential anyway. he'll help you out. I'm just surprized that you'd go after jailbait anyway. If you two aren't really in love, how did it ever get that far? This whole situation baffles me, but serously, my policy, if you have to ask, talk to the bishop.

One last thing: chastity isn't elementry. It's probably the hardest thing out there most people have to deal with. The easiest way to avoid violation is becoming a nun. and how are you going to find a guy in a nunnery?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:52 pm


i say you should confront the guy and apologize. even though in his mind he believes he didn't get affected negatively (quite the opposite in fact), but YOU know that you assisted in helping him to commit sin.

thats also the time when you can "break up". dont let this issue just "go away", because unless you resolve it now, you'll wish you had resolved it when it was still in your power to do so. so just get it over with, you'll feel good you did.

just listen to the advice above (those guys sure are smart...) and you'll be fine.

dersephy


Itesa

PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:47 pm


dersephy

just listen to the advice above (those guys sure are smart...) and you'll be fine.


Cool. Thanks. biggrin

I agree with what Dersephy said -- no, not just the part about listening to me! What he said about how you should handle things with the boy. I'm ashamed that I didn't think about him when I was writing my response. It won't be easy -- I've been there, with a boyfriend who doesn't understand my resolve not to do something I'd already been doing -- but it's what both of you need. You don't have to make a lecture of it. Don't explain too much; keep it short and simple. For example, you could explain to him that you believe in these standards and that you haven't been fair to the divine potential in either of you by breaking them.

Like Dersephy said, don't just let this issue "go away." Make a clean break of it. You both deserve that. And you definitely deserve to be able to come home on break and run around with your friends without it being awkward if you see him.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:17 pm


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:31 pm


Chastity is something that alot of people struggle with. More that you might think, even within the church. I've had relatives that messed up their lives and made my parents worry about whether I would mess up mine. They imposed strict guidelines on me too. But it was all done in a loving fashion.

That's not the point I'm trying to make though. In agreement with Glimare, if you wonder if you should see the bishop, definitely go and see him. I know those who have seen their bishop, not knowing if he would understand or if he would never look at them the same again, twenty years down the road. It's interesting to note, that the bishops only loved them more, and when the problems were taken care of... and the bishops were released... It would seem as if they never knew. And when asked, they can only recall that they met in the office frequently, but not what it was about. All they can remember are the good things that those individuals had accomplished. I've also seen those wait until things got worse. Seeing your bishop now, will add that key to repentance, and give you further strength to keep from going down that road in more meaningful relationships. Just because there are a lot of RM's at BYU doesn't mean they all have control over themselves. Some of them can be quite contrary. So, gird your loins, and rely on the testimony that you have, and the power of the priesthood, to help you overcome.


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Glimare
The easiest way to avoid violation is becoming a nun. and how are you going to find a guy in a nunnery?

umm... A nunnery has an opposite meaning of what you are saying, it is quite unchaste.... just thought you should know. ( see shakespeare terminology {get thee to a nunnery... yeah...}
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:38 pm


Itesa
dersephy

just listen to the advice above (those guys sure are smart...) and you'll be fine.


Cool. Thanks. biggrin

I agree with what Dersephy said -- no, not just the part about listening to me! What he said about how you should handle things with the boy. I'm ashamed that I didn't think about him when I was writing my response. It won't be easy -- I've been there, with a boyfriend who doesn't understand my resolve not to do something I'd already been doing -- but it's what both of you need. You don't have to make a lecture of it. Don't explain too much; keep it short and simple. For example, you could explain to him that you believe in these standards and that you haven't been fair to the divine potential in either of you by breaking them.

Like Dersephy said, don't just let this issue "go away." Make a clean break of it. You both deserve that. And you definitely deserve to be able to come home on break and run around with your friends without it being awkward if you see him.


But he's one of my best friends. We've been good friends for a while now, and that's never changed, despite an earlier breakup. We've just sort of always been close, and we can understand each other differently than most ofhter people can. I'm one of his only close friends who hasn't betrayed him in some way. And while we don't 100% truly, deeply LOVE each other, we really do care deeply for each other. I really don't want to lose his friendship, because he's been such a big part of my life over the past few months, in ways that have nothing to do with physical intimacy.

We talked about it a lot at the beginning of the summer, and we both said that we knew I'd have to leave, and then it'd have to end. We both know we're going to have to end this somehow.

As stubborn about these things as I am, although I can really see the truth in all your advice, I am finding it so hard to get the desire to actually act on it, instead of just shoving it aside and letting it nag on me while I remain relatively unchanged. So I'm going to try praying for the desire/strength to choose the right, and then I'll see if I can talk to my bishop for a bit tomorrow, even though I just want to keep making excuses. UGH. I'm no good at this whole "being patient and know that all things will work out eternally" thing.

AofH_lifeissues


dersephy

PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:01 am


yay for instant gratification?? sweatdrop
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:40 pm


AofH_lifeissues
I'm no good at this whole "being patient and know that all things will work out eternally" thing.


*lol* Welcome to the club. smile

BTW, when I said to make a clean break of it, I didn't mean for you to cut him out of your life and never see him again. I meant that you need to end the romantic-type relationship cleanly. If you don't, you'll come back and you'll both be wondering if really went away while you were gone or not. That's just too confusing and potentially dangerous a mix to do to yourselves.

Itesa


AofH_lifeissues

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:26 pm


An update: I talked to my bishop today after church. He told me to talk to my parents, which I did, and then we'd all talk together, which will probably happen later tonight. I'm scared for the consequences of what I've done, but I really want to repent so I can feel better. I've made a resolution to not see this boy again before I move on Thursday, and if for any reason I feel like I must talk to him, it'll be by phone.

Although there is a chance I might not be moving afterall, which is what's really scaring me right now. I'm really upset about my temple worthiness and other such things, but I know they can be resolved and I'll be back to my cheerful, worthy self in time. But BYU attendance requires an ecclesiastical endorsement, which was signed by my bishop and a member of the stake presidency (although he wasn't the one to sign it, my dad is my stake president). I'm so scared that the school I know I'm supposed to go to, that I've been looking forward to attending for so long, might no longer be an option, 4 days before I'm set to leave. I just can't even imagine what I would do, how I would feel if it turned out that I couldn't go. If I had thought about that before I made those choices, I would never have violated the Law of Chastity.

Also, I'm deleting my Myspace, and I'm going to get rid of as many other bad influences in my life as I can, like media, that I know have influenced me in these decisions. I really want to repent, I'm just scared about the consequences that must arise before I can. Thanks for all the advice, and I'm just sorry that I was acting too stupidly to follow it very well.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:03 pm


AofH_lifeissues
An update: I talked to my bishop today after church. He told me to talk to my parents, which I did, and then we'd all talk together, which will probably happen later tonight. I'm scared for the consequences of what I've done, but I really want to repent so I can feel better. I've made a resolution to not see this boy again before I move on Thursday, and if for any reason I feel like I must talk to him, it'll be by phone.

Although there is a chance I might not be moving afterall, which is what's really scaring me right now. I'm really upset about my temple worthiness and other such things, but I know they can be resolved and I'll be back to my cheerful, worthy self in time. But BYU attendance requires an ecclesiastical endorsement, which was signed by my bishop and a member of the stake presidency (although he wasn't the one to sign it, my dad is my stake president). I'm so scared that the school I know I'm supposed to go to, that I've been looking forward to attending for so long, might no longer be an option, 4 days before I'm set to leave. I just can't even imagine what I would do, how I would feel if it turned out that I couldn't go. If I had thought about that before I made those choices, I would never have violated the Law of Chastity.

Also, I'm deleting my Myspace, and I'm going to get rid of as many other bad influences in my life as I can, like media, that I know have influenced me in these decisions. I really want to repent, I'm just scared about the consequences that must arise before I can. Thanks for all the advice, and I'm just sorry that I was acting too stupidly to follow it very well.

Maybe I missed something but it sounds to me like you are doing JUST what you should at this point. Be brave and know that these consequences are, relatively, little ones... earthly ones. They are hard to face, but they aren't much compared to the big ones that are ETERNAL. Just remember that the Lord and his servants do what they do out of love. It is all steps to get you back to him. I think you are being awesome in your steps, don't be so hard on yourself.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:18 am


I second Kipluck!

And also, given that you have come to him of your own choice and are working with him and your parents to repent, I really doubt that your bishop will block your entrance to BYU. You have had some difficulties and slipped up. That's very human. You are now putting it right. God doesn't require that we never, ever make a mistake, just that we try our best and that we repent when necessary.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:04 pm


More updates:

I sent the boy an email explaining to him how sorry I am that I let his happen, and that as part of the repentace process I need to cut off comunications with him for now. I tried to hard to explain to him why, and told him to please, please try to understand, to ask his LDS relatives or go to the website for help. He wrote me a short, angry response back. I'm afraid he hates me. We'd been so close for the past 8 months or so, and then we ruined it all.

I stayed home today from the annual Ward Labor Day picnic. I know you said I did what I was supposed to, but this past week things did get even worse, despite all the advice given. My dad has been so helpful to me. It's so hard to have to tell your mom to leave the room so you can explain in detail to your own father how you've violated the Law of Chastity, and tell him exactly how close you were to having sex so that he can know, as your stake president, how serious the sin is. He gave me some things to read, including The Miracle of Forgiveness. I read them and I've been praying that I can be truly repentant.

As for school, I will find out tomorrow evening. I'm so scared. I can't stay in this town another year. I'll go insane. I'm supposed to be moving in 3 days, and instead of making the most of them and spending time with my friends, I'm crying almost incesantly over how stupid and horrible I feel for messing things up with a best friend, for jeapordizing my place at the school I've dreamed of attending, and most of all, for letting so many people- my parents, myself, the boy, his grandfather who trusted in me to be a god example, and Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. I can't believe how selfish it was of me to add so much more to His burden in the Garden of Gethsemane, that I did it willfully and repeatedly. I feel bad that although I'm still a virgin, that my future eternal companion won't have the privilege of a pure, clean, wife, because I know I wish that he would never do what I have done.

The next 24 or so hours before my talk with the bishop are going to be excruciating. I can't believe that I could feel so horrible. But I've decided to fast and pray and read my scriptures. I just want to get back to normal, to be able to go to the temple to do baptisms, to be worthy to attend the Rexburg temple dedication when it comes, to not feel horrible standing outside the temple when my sister gets married this December, even though I'm not endowed anyway.

I know you don't know me in real life, but if I would ask anyone who reads this before 5 PM tomorrow to pray for me that it will go well, please. I know it would help. Thank you so much for all your support. I believe this is possibly the biggest challenge I've faced in my life thus far, and it feels good to know that at least a couple people are responding.

AofH_lifeissues


Itesa

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:00 pm


Absolutely will pray for you. I was just starting one anyway, actually.

*hugs* I know you feel bad about hurting your friend. It's hard to feel like we're doing the right thing when it's causing someone we love pain but trust me, you are. I'll add another prayer for him too. I hope he'll be able to understand some day. I think you can still be friends later. Right now I think what you both need is time.
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