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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:15 pm
Assisted suicide is is a term for aggressive voluntary euthanasia. I've always thought that people who are suffering and know that they will die should be allowed to elect to die sooner. I think it is sad to force them to stay alive and suffer it out to the end instead of just helping them get put out of their misery.
As for other people who attempt suicide, those who are just depressed perhaps someone with a drug problem/drinking problem/whatever problem...I'm not so sure about these people who want to die. I think that first we should try to help them with their problems. See if we can bring them out of their depression and break the bad habits that are destroying their lives, if in the end of it all they still want to die I think they should be allowed to and should be able to elect an assisted suicide (it's safer for the general public in my opinion, you know, so they don't go out and try to crash their car into a building or lay on train tracks or something which could endanger other's lives, other's who may not want to die.)
Discuss: Do you believe humans have the right to choose to die and get help with it? Do you believe it should be allowed only for those who are terminally ill and the hopelessly ill, or even for your average just-feeling-really-depressed Joe?
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:15 pm
Well if it was just for your adverage depressed-Joe most of the idiotic teenage population would be gone. "Oh, my boyfriend/girlfriend dumped me, I thought we were going to get married, have children, and grow old together"
As far as assisted suicide goes. I think that if they can provide adaquate proof that this person wanted to die, then they shouldn't go to jail. They didn't really murder that person, because that person wanted to die. Most of the time assisted sucides are from people who know they'll chicken out or would rather a loved on did it.
Now as far as suicide goes assisted or other wise. It's just stupid. Almost no one has a life that bad to kill themselves over. Most of the time it is just people being over dramatic attension whores who have no real problems. I don't consider a failed relationship a real problem, wether or not they were married. I don't consider someone cheating on you a real problem. A real problem is something that actually changes your outlook on life and everything because of that experience. Relationship related problems aren't real problems because they don't change anything. You cry for a day (or longer for some idiots) and get over it. You go ahead and get another boy/girl friend. Now an experience that makes you not get another boy/girl friend is a real experience.
Also, seeing as how bi-polar disease and depression (the medical depression) are managable and treated they aren't an excuse for suicide.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:21 pm
Well I didn't really have the retarded teenage population of America in mind when I was thinking assisted suicide. I was thinking more of someone much older and more mature than that. xD
But I seriously think that if someone attempts suicide multiple times and is doing it in a way that could possibly harm the public, like how I mentioned crashing your car into buildings/other cars what-have-you then they are like a danger to society and I would rather they be euthanized than going out and about endangering society. D:
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:22 pm
Perhaps assisted suicide could be for those over a certain age, or have a disease that makes life difficult, or unbearable.
A part of society makes little sense to me. We research and spend much money to help people live longer lives, yet many of the older population would wish to die. If I was hopelessly dying of cancer, or another disease, too fragile or old for treatment, I would prefer to die painlessly and peacefully, by assisted suicide.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:24 pm
I'm on the fence. I myself don't like it for the fact that people can be very indecisive and may choose to not want it done, but can't speak up and here we have a murder on our hands. I take it as if people really want to die, they'll do it themselves and hopefully not in a stupid way like crashing their cars into someone else's.
As for people who are suffering and bed-ridden with absolutely no hope of ever recovering, or just in a vegetative state forever, they should be, as they say, put out of their misery. I know I would want to be.
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:40 am
yes they should have the choise....think...they're going to die anyway, they're proably in alot of pain, why not just end it all quickly..stop their suffering. GO DOCTER KAVORKIAN
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:19 am
If they have a virus which will lead to them dieing or just being unable to move, people should be able to decide if they want to die early, or battle until the end. Euthanasia shouldn't be frowned upon.
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:07 am
I can imagine if your in serious physical pain, and it's not curable, then someone could give you an injection or something, but not if your depressed. Lot's of people are depressed and if they all went and killed themselves, we'd have quite a drop in population. Depression can be dealed with, there are even medicines for it. But once your dead, your dead. There's no cure. There's no way to bring you back to life. You'll never see your family again. It's over for you.
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:19 am
Well, if someone is really down, I think you should try to help them, if that doesn't work, then you should let them do it them selves, if you do help with a suicide it is then called murder...
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:03 pm
Suicide it a weaklings way out, just suck it up and deal with it, life sucks so deal with it.
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:32 am
Sora Senpai Suicide it a weaklings way out, just suck it up and deal with it, life sucks so deal with it. Actually suicide is the most logical solution, what would you rather have, a lifetime of suckiness, pain and discontent with a sudden death you are not prepared for, or a death that you have planned, are ready for and a few minutes at the most of pain rather than living through an entire lifetime of pain just to die slowly of cancer at the end of it all? marshjazz Also, seeing as how bi-polar disease and depression (the medical depression) are managable and treated they aren't an excuse for suicide. They're hardly managable, the psychiatric unit I go to has majorly let me down and have just ******** things up even more, the meds have stopped working and they can't increase the dosage because there's a risk I'll have a heart attack w/ my low bmi. Psychiatrists suck a** and do ******** all but talk meaningless psychobabble, the medication wears off really quickly and doesn't stop the depression at all, it just takes the edge off of it. Saying that assisted suicide is murder is just plain moronic, if someone is dying slowly from a disease which puts them through extreme pain, loss of dignity and independance with no hope of getting better and they want to die and are unable to do it themselves then the only humane thing to do is to do it for them rather than letting them slowly rot away, sitting in their own piss and s**t in excruciating and constant agony.
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:49 am
She lay down on the grass, Looking up at the sky, thinking, it’s all she can do. If she disappeared she would not be missed. She will be gone just like everyone else.
Getting up from the grass, she walks on the sand, looking outward towards the sea. She walks into the water high up above her knees.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
Now I don't think assisted suicide is needed at all. Well, with the exclusion to pulling the plug on someone whom will suffer anyways.
As for depressed people, I think they should seek help and therapy, and that suicide should not be an option for them. I don't think it should be legalized, and I don't think that people who are suicidal, should get help. It would be the same thing as murder. And murder is never going to become legal.
My mother was telling me a little while ago, that my grandfather, who now has Alzheimer's, would have committed suicide, had he known the fate that has become his. He would never have wanted my grandmother to suffer from loneliness and depression due to his mental and physical health. My mom told me that if this same fate became her's that she would want us to pull the plug on her.
I think that these people should have the right of say in their future. I personally know that depression can be a rough mental disorder, but I truly believe that those people can get help and that suicide shouldn't be an option for them.
No matter how you see it, unless there is a will written with the words "If I am to ever become mentally of physically incapacitated, I want to be killed and not make those around me suffer", I think assisted suicide shouldn't be legalized. Some people might take advantage of that and in a way murder someone legally... Just think of that... Murder becoming legal... didn't we want murderers to rot in jail, or get the death penalty?
Cornetto1: It is murder. In the constitutional law, it is murder. Just because it's justified with giving the person peace, doesn't make it any less of murder. If you killed the person who killed the person you loved most, it is justified for you, but is it not murder? Is murder only classified as the killing of someone innocent or the actions of a sociopath?
As for your point on meds, there are other ways of treatment, perhaps your lack of enthusiasm for the psychiatric/psychological field, is making you doubt the effectiveness of medicine. Sure, some cases are so extreme that there is no help for them, but should they be helped to commit suicide? If they choose to take their own life, then they should do it by themselves. I agree that living in a mental institution would be worse fate, if they failed, but maybe they shouldn't fail. And if they do fail, then doesn't that mean that there is someone out there that cares about them? If God existed, then s/he/it would be the one who cares about them.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~ The waves softly hit her legs. She looks at the sunset and its yellow-red hues she walks into the sea, farther and farther, opening her arms towards the wave. The water is high up to her hips. The wave comes towards her. She looks at the wave with her arms stretched out; the water starts to rage, the wave hits her body hard. Then the water calms down. The water recedes, then darkness falls, and all goes dark. The sun goes down and the day is done.
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:08 am
Cornetto1 marshjazz Also, seeing as how bi-polar disease and depression (the medical depression) are managable and treated they aren't an excuse for suicide. They're hardly managable, the psychiatric unit I go to has majorly let me down and have just ******** things up even more, the meds have stopped working and they can't increase the dosage because there's a risk I'll have a heart attack w/ my low bmi. Psychiatrists suck a** and do ******** all but talk meaningless psychobabble, the medication wears off really quickly and doesn't stop the depression at all, it just takes the edge off of it. Never the less, you one case and as far as I can tell you're still alive even though the pills are only taking the edge off. It isn't an excuse. They have pills and help/support groups for it. Not an excuse, it is something that people should strive to overcome.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:30 am
Well, in my opinion, suicuide is kind of careless for themselve, I mean...Assisted Suicuide should be legal, seeing that that's how they want it to be. In the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, it states in the Legal Rights Section that People should not be treated to unusual treatment or torture, or something...anyways, that's a negative, and the positive for them is in the Fundamental Freedoms, stating that they have the freedom of thought, belief, and the so on...So yeah, I believe that assisted Suicuide should be legal, whether it is wrong or not.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:18 pm
animegirl113 I can imagine if your in serious physical pain, and it's not curable, then someone could give you an injection or something, but not if your depressed. Lot's of people are depressed and if they all went and killed themselves, we'd have quite a drop in population. Depression can be dealed with, there are even medicines for it. But once your dead, your dead. There's no cure. There's no way to bring you back to life. You'll never see your family again. It's over for you. We need the population to drop drastically. We're way past sustainability and there are way too many consumers. Its a problem that no one wants to talk about because no one wants to say that most of the worlds population has to die in order to achieve sustainability. Its so much easier to prattle on about Global Warming and the depleation of the Ozone Layer.
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