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 Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:28 pm
saint dreya so at my grove's annual meeting, we changed our hearth culture from pan Celtic to pan Indo European. what that effectively means is that instead of someone expecting most of our rites to be conducted using exclusively Welsh, Irish, Gaulish, etc., pantheon/cosmology, we might just as easily use Hellenic, Slavic, Vedic, etc. What would cause a group to want to change their hearth culture? I would think if you were dedicated to a particular pantheon, they might not be too happy if you suddenly stopped honoring them. I can see where an individual might be called in another direction, but not a whole group.
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:29 pm
I've seen a lot of ADF groups go from a "Celtic" culture to the I-E culture -- a lot of times because it allows for a great deal of inclusiveness. I, as a Hellenic, could feel more at home in an organized setting like ADF because I know that while we may not share the same individual feelings, we all share a similar culture.
Actually, I know a lot of Hellenics who work within ADF -- they find it really imaginative and community driven. And sometimes I think it embraces a very honest syncreticism.
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:27 pm
Interesting. I don't know that much about ADF, but would it be safe to say that the structure of the group is completely different than that of a coven? I just can't imagine showing up one night and finding out that we've "moved" (so to speak). I would think the energy would be funky for a while (at the very least). And at worst...what if you don't feel a connection to the new culture?
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:40 pm
My first day home and I already convinced my dad to see a neurologist. I'm good. cool
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:47 pm
I really can't see myself functioning well within a community spiritually. Be it coven or grove or whatever.
I know that Etherism isn't necessarily a solitary path but the fact that it easily allows solitary growth and spirituality is what makes it suit me so well.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:12 am
Zomg is annoyingly addictive. stare
How come your grove decided to change?
Pan IE sounds more accessible to more people. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:07 pm
Anyone know if there will be a zOMG clan for this guild, or M&Rers in general?
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:02 pm
SpaceTerminal Destiny Anyone know if there will be a zOMG clan for this guild, or M&Rers in general? I hope we have a PFRC clan!! I'm so exited now!!! I can't wait for everyone else to start playing. Is it the 4 year people first?
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:35 pm
patch99329 SpaceTerminal Destiny Anyone know if there will be a zOMG clan for this guild, or M&Rers in general? I hope we have a PFRC clan!! I'm so exited now!!! I can't wait for everyone else to start playing. Is it the 4 year people first? Head-Start Tickets first, then a few days (more days?) later, it's 2003 and 2004 users. Anyways, my residence is home to religious Studies at my university (as in my RS elective professor's office is just outside my wing sweatdrop ) and right outside one of the offices, is this massive pile of books with a "FREE" sign above it. I picked up one right now. It's called, "Ritual Theory Ritual Practice", by Catherine Bell. Published in 1992 by Oxford University Press. Anyone heard of this book? Also, we went to the Used Textbookstore yesterday at 9 o clock and my floormate picked up this massive book called "A Pictorial History of Magic and the Supernatural" by Bessy. Ancient book, this is, and it seems kind of fluffy, but I somehow really doubt it if it was used in RS courses past.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:43 pm
The JoCo gig was probably the best gig I have ever been to or will ever go to.
He signed my code monkey.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:31 pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:56 pm
Romanus Be very careful in that... Hellenic and Slavic gods for one, do not like to be "used." They are not toys. Hellenic gods have very specific purity requirements - not living up to them opens you up for a world of trouble (you would never enter into sacred space in a way that would profane the gods, would you?). From what I can tell of Slavic gods is that they have a very... tribal? mindset. They don't seem very friendly to non-Slavs. The Slavic mindset is very much one of caution toward the world and the spirits and gods that are a part of it. They also seem very much tied to place, at least as far as West Slavs are concerned. I'm definitely not an authority though. no certainly. in regards to "using" them, not at all. mostly in fact, we plan on doing anything other than what the celebrant is used to if the celebrant themselves wants to enact it, or another asks (with enough time for study and creation) for a specific hearth culture. too2sweet What would cause a group to want to change their hearth culture? I would think if you were dedicated to a particular pantheon, they might not be too happy if you suddenly stopped honoring them. I can see where an individual might be called in another direction, but not a whole group. fluid membership, particularly with most of our grove now with Teutonic deities, and a national member who transplanted who's Roman. it doesn't mean much other than that our saturday blessing rites can be expected to be from any IE hearth culture, and it will be easier to get a High Day in any other IE, as long as the community supports it. truthfully, since most of our public ritual, the High Days specifically, is for the community, and most of the community here is drawn to Celtic or Teutonic, we cater to that. saturdays, and private rites are more for the grove, but High Days are for at large. too2sweet Interesting. I don't know that much about ADF, but would it be safe to say that the structure of the group is completely different than that of a coven? I just can't imagine showing up one night and finding out that we've "moved" (so to speak). I would think the energy would be funky for a while (at the very least). And at worst...what if you don't feel a connection to the new culture? energy's the same, we're just expanding our workings to make others feel a little more welcome.
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:26 am
I think is wagon is called a vargo now.
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:54 am
I really should re-write my essay and change my thesis. It sounds like I'm saying cultural imperialism and forcible conversion ad education was a good thing. gonk
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Okay, so it's not that bad. I mentioned the "twisting" of Christianity through Santeria and Yoruba. sweatdrop
EDIT: Okay, so I just redeemed myself with that paragraph on education >.>
Go Gandhi and Ho Chi Minh (India and Vietnam, respectively)!
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:56 pm
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