*crawls in corner and beats head against the wall*
o_o -places pillow inbetween your head and the wall-
crying
:< ... -offers wool- What's wrong?
Um..well lets see where to start...........hmm...
Every night for the last two and a half weeks has been a living hell for me. It started when Brayden (My ex gf that I still have feelings for) tells me at about noon that "I'm done with Zack(the guy she broke up with) he is such a big baby. I think if things work out there may be something between me and you again Guild" then about midnight she does a complete 180 and says "I got back with Zack" then proceeds to not speak to me for a week. In that week I was depressed because of her crushing my feelings. Well Mom and dad begin fighting over stupid s**t then dad starts on me for no reason at all other than breathing out when he was breathing in. Then that went on about every day that week. Well Brayden text me when her and Kate(Her sister) were on the bus saying she wanted to talk. Three hours later Kate text me asking what we were talking about and I told her nothing because Brayden never text me back. Well Kate told me to text Bray so I did. Bray tells me her and Kate were playing truth or dare and she asked me a question. I gave her an answer and six hours go by. Kate text me again asking me what Bray was saying and I told her that she hand't said a word to me in over six hours. Well Kate acted like she got mad when she found that out. Then Bray didn't text me again till Friday or Saturday with only a "I'm depressed :c" and I said me to I've been so stressed my hair is turning gray whats the matter with you? and she says nothing else then you tell me today that she said I told her I didn't want to talk anymore? Oh and then last night my dad started making fun of me because I have extreme arachnophobia and told me that "There's always going to be spiders in the world so you might as well get over it" then he gets mad starts cussing me like a dog and gets in my face threatening to punch me because I said "Millions of people have it does that mean that just because you aren't scared of something all those millions of people who are just need to get over it?" Then tonight I was simply reading a message a friend sent me about half way through it mom ask me to run to the store to get bread. I told her sure lemme finish reading this real quick. Well apparently that was secrete code to trigger dads explosion mode because he went off on me for no reason. Then I get home and he is pissed off at me and now him and mom are fighting. In the meantime I just looked in the mirror and my hair is getting grayer and lighter all around and I know it isn't because I've been in the sun because I'm 9 time out of 10 wearing a hat.
/rant
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:12 pm
Celestine Ravencroft
Arcueil of Huron
Random//
I don't usually order art cause.. I don't know what outfit I want to be drawn in gonk
anyone else have this problem? ._. or a mentality that may help me fix that...?
Do you feel like you just have so many great outfits that it's impossible to pick your favorite? That might be the reason. You could just be drawn in the outfit you wear the most.
Well... I do have a lot of outfits.. but no "real Arc" outfit..like.. when you make an OC, that OC has usually one thing she wears and stuff. I guess if I actually design Arc as an OC I'll be able to order cute arts...?
._. idk. How about you? What do you usually ask people to draw you in?
I don't usually order art cause.. I don't know what outfit I want to be drawn in gonk
anyone else have this problem? ._. or a mentality that may help me fix that...?
Do you feel like you just have so many great outfits that it's impossible to pick your favorite? That might be the reason. You could just be drawn in the outfit you wear the most.
Well... I do have a lot of outfits.. but no "real Arc" outfit..like.. when you make an OC, that OC has usually one thing she wears and stuff. I guess if I actually design Arc as an OC I'll be able to order cute arts...?
._. idk. How about you? What do you usually ask people to draw you in?
I just put on my Crystalmancer outfit for art. Although, truth be told I hadn't requested art before joining this guild. I wasn't exactly social in the past. This is really the first time that I've been comfortable around a group of people I have never really met to the point where I can request art and talk with them. But I digress. I think that outfit with the Renaissance hat and the Ciel boots is your signature look.
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:44 pm
Guild Carver1
Um..well lets see where to start...........hmm...
Every night for the last two and a half weeks has been a living hell for me. It started when Brayden (My ex gf that I still have feelings for) tells me at about noon that "I'm done with Zack(the guy she broke up with) he is such a big baby. I think if things work out there may be something between me and you again Guild" then about midnight she does a complete 180 and says "I got back with Zack" then proceeds to not speak to me for a week. In that week I was depressed because of her crushing my feelings. Well Mom and dad begin fighting over stupid s**t then dad starts on me for no reason at all other than breathing out when he was breathing in. Then that went on about every day that week. Well Brayden text me when her and Kate(Her sister) were on the bus saying she wanted to talk. Three hours later Kate text me asking what we were talking about and I told her nothing because Brayden never text me back. Well Kate told me to text Bray so I did. Bray tells me her and Kate were playing truth or dare and she asked me a question. I gave her an answer and six hours go by. Kate text me again asking me what Bray was saying and I told her that she hand't said a word to me in over six hours. Well Kate acted like she got mad when she found that out. Then Bray didn't text me again till Friday or Saturday with only a "I'm depressed :c" and I said me to I've been so stressed my hair is turning gray whats the matter with you? and she says nothing else then you tell me today that she said I told her I didn't want to talk anymore? Oh and then last night my dad started making fun of me because I have extreme arachnophobia and told me that "There's always going to be spiders in the world so you might as well get over it" then he gets mad starts cussing me like a dog and gets in my face threatening to punch me because I said "Millions of people have it does that mean that just because you aren't scared of something all those millions of people who are just need to get over it?" Then tonight I was simply reading a message a friend sent me about half way through it mom ask me to run to the store to get bread. I told her sure lemme finish reading this real quick. Well apparently that was secrete code to trigger dads explosion mode because he went off on me for no reason. Then I get home and he is pissed off at me and now him and mom are fighting. In the meantime I just looked in the mirror and my hair is getting grayer and lighter all around and I know it isn't because I've been in the sun because I'm 9 time out of 10 wearing a hat.
/rant
sad You sound like you have a lot going on in your life.
Advice/comment (only if you feel like reading it. I'm not trying to impose.)
On Brayden- when couples break up, there is usually a 1-3 month span of the two people getting back together and breaking up again. People just don't want to feel lonely, and breaking up usually instillls feelings of doubt-- doubt about whether the decision to break up was REALLY a good choice. I know its hard, especially since you have feelings for her (and I know you don't want to hear this), but you need to excommunicate her for a while. Even if she is your friend, and that includes her sister. Her presence in your life doesn't benefit you at all-- it will just cause you further stress since she will not be able to return those feelings that you want (not until she is COMPLETELY over that other guy). And by allowing her to stay around, you're giving her the POWER to control your emotions every waking hour. You don't need another thing turning your hair gray.
Someday, and it does take a hell of a lot of time, when you text/see/communicate with Brayden, it won't hurt you. And you'll be able to be friends again. And if in that time SHE (it has to be her, not you) wants to return to you-- then you make the decision about whether or not to restart your relationship.
What you're going through is very unhealthy-- and yes, lots of people go through this (like a lot of my guy friends who aren't so lucky in the relationship field..). The healthy option that you have is to distance yourself away from anything-Brayden, until you have moved on-- BECAUSE you are still very much emotionally attached to a girl who is only going to give you grief, because her priorities are elsewhere. (If she says she wants to be friendds with you and doesnt want to see you go-- it doesn't matter. You won't be able to move on because any friendly act from her will translate into hope-- a hope that isn't realistic at this point in time).
On your family Family problems can really be the worst sometimes. They're SUPPOSED to be the main support group.. and homes should be a place of peace. I can relate because my family was once like this-- mom and dad always arguing-- dad always explosive (and more). Your dad seems to have a short fuse, and some underlying issue about how you answer him. I'm not sure how your tone was, but if it was nice and polite and he still blew up at you-- there is some subconscious turmoil in his mind.
It might not be something you can fix instantly, and I doubt that if you sit and have a chat with him RIGHT NOW that he'll respond nicely, initially-- but if you want this solved, and cannot move out of your house, a conversation with him is needed. Well, a FEW conversations is needed. Tell him how you feel, ask him (in an inquisitive and non-judgmental/fighting way) why he always seems to upset at you. His comment about phobias seems very ignorant-- I know lots of families think psych problems are "made up" and "not that serious." It may just be that-- or his comment might have been said to hint at whatever issues he has with you.
Family therapy works as well. I haven't tried it though, and it seems too out of the way.
Gray hair I actually have a very well hidden patch as well. Men get it real bad though--- and it doesn't help that testosterone makes stress = balding+gray. You can lessen it by reclaiming your sanity and wellbeing though-- but that takse effort. You have to realize that some stressors aren't as necessary as you think (Brayden)-- as well as finding things that make you happy. Even doing/watching/listening to things that only SLIGHTLY make you happy/relaxed is a good start.
I also color my hair to hide the grays emo
emotion_hug I'm sorry you're going through all of that bullshit.
I just put on my Crystalmancer outfit for art. Although, truth be told I hadn't requested art before joining this guild. I wasn't exactly social in the past. This is really the first time that I've been comfortable around a group of people I have never really met to the point where I can request art and talk with them. But I digress. I think that outfit with the Renaissance hat and the Ciel boots is your signature look.
I'm not sure why I have a hard time believing that. You seem pretty social and warm to me!
Yeah.. I think so too.. I actually made that BEFORE RO, sans the Barton neckerchief. Now I consider it the "Nightravens" outfit. I do request that one to be drawn a lot.. but I want something.. else. Yeah... idk.
I really want to be able to request a Pokemon sprite type of art! But I'd want an outfit that sort of matches that "style."
D: I was also thinking.. maybe if I learn how to make sprites and stuff.. we can have like UNofficial guild member cards!! And have them all pro looking like those on that site xD;; (I REALLY want to do this soon. haha so when things get less busy, I'll open up a free shop here.)
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:01 pm
Arcueil of Huron
Guild Carver1
Um..well lets see where to start...........hmm...
Every night for the last two and a half weeks has been a living hell for me. It started when Brayden (My ex gf that I still have feelings for) tells me at about noon that "I'm done with Zack(the guy she broke up with) he is such a big baby. I think if things work out there may be something between me and you again Guild" then about midnight she does a complete 180 and says "I got back with Zack" then proceeds to not speak to me for a week. In that week I was depressed because of her crushing my feelings. Well Mom and dad begin fighting over stupid s**t then dad starts on me for no reason at all other than breathing out when he was breathing in. Then that went on about every day that week. Well Brayden text me when her and Kate(Her sister) were on the bus saying she wanted to talk. Three hours later Kate text me asking what we were talking about and I told her nothing because Brayden never text me back. Well Kate told me to text Bray so I did. Bray tells me her and Kate were playing truth or dare and she asked me a question. I gave her an answer and six hours go by. Kate text me again asking me what Bray was saying and I told her that she hand't said a word to me in over six hours. Well Kate acted like she got mad when she found that out. Then Bray didn't text me again till Friday or Saturday with only a "I'm depressed :c" and I said me to I've been so stressed my hair is turning gray whats the matter with you? and she says nothing else then you tell me today that she said I told her I didn't want to talk anymore? Oh and then last night my dad started making fun of me because I have extreme arachnophobia and told me that "There's always going to be spiders in the world so you might as well get over it" then he gets mad starts cussing me like a dog and gets in my face threatening to punch me because I said "Millions of people have it does that mean that just because you aren't scared of something all those millions of people who are just need to get over it?" Then tonight I was simply reading a message a friend sent me about half way through it mom ask me to run to the store to get bread. I told her sure lemme finish reading this real quick. Well apparently that was secrete code to trigger dads explosion mode because he went off on me for no reason. Then I get home and he is pissed off at me and now him and mom are fighting. In the meantime I just looked in the mirror and my hair is getting grayer and lighter all around and I know it isn't because I've been in the sun because I'm 9 time out of 10 wearing a hat.
/rant
sad You sound like you have a lot going on in your life.
Advice/comment (only if you feel like reading it. I'm not trying to impose.)
On Brayden- when couples break up, there is usually a 1-3 month span of the two people getting back together and breaking up again. People just don't want to feel lonely, and breaking up usually instillls feelings of doubt-- doubt about whether the decision to break up was REALLY a good choice. I know its hard, especially since you have feelings for her (and I know you don't want to hear this), but you need to excommunicate her for a while. Even if she is your friend, and that includes her sister. Her presence in your life doesn't benefit you at all-- it will just cause you further stress since she will not be able to return those feelings that you want (not until she is COMPLETELY over that other guy). And by allowing her to stay around, you're giving her the POWER to control your emotions every waking hour. You don't need another thing turning your hair gray.
Someday, and it does take a hell of a lot of time, when you text/see/communicate with Brayden, it won't hurt you. And you'll be able to be friends again. And if in that time SHE (it has to be her, not you) wants to return to you-- then you make the decision about whether or not to restart your relationship.
What you're going through is very unhealthy-- and yes, lots of people go through this (like a lot of my guy friends who aren't so lucky in the relationship field..). The healthy option that you have is to distance yourself away from anything-Brayden, until you have moved on-- BECAUSE you are still very much emotionally attached to a girl who is only going to give you grief, because her priorities are elsewhere. (If she says she wants to be friendds with you and doesnt want to see you go-- it doesn't matter. You won't be able to move on because any friendly act from her will translate into hope-- a hope that isn't realistic at this point in time).
On your family Family problems can really be the worst sometimes. They're SUPPOSED to be the main support group.. and homes should be a place of peace. I can relate because my family was once like this-- mom and dad always arguing-- dad always explosive (and more). Your dad seems to have a short fuse, and some underlying issue about how you answer him. I'm not sure how your tone was, but if it was nice and polite and he still blew up at you-- there is some subconscious turmoil in his mind.
It might not be something you can fix instantly, and I doubt that if you sit and have a chat with him RIGHT NOW that he'll respond nicely, initially-- but if you want this solved, and cannot move out of your house, a conversation with him is needed. Well, a FEW conversations is needed. Tell him how you feel, ask him (in an inquisitive and non-judgmental/fighting way) why he always seems to upset at you. His comment about phobias seems very ignorant-- I know lots of families think psych problems are "made up" and "not that serious." It may just be that-- or his comment might have been said to hint at whatever issues he has with you.
Family therapy works as well. I haven't tried it though, and it seems too out of the way.
Gray hair I actually have a very well hidden patch as well. Men get it real bad though--- and it doesn't help that testosterone makes stress = balding+gray. You can lessen it by reclaiming your sanity and wellbeing though-- but that takse effort. You have to realize that some stressors aren't as necessary as you think (Brayden)-- as well as finding things that make you happy. Even doing/watching/listening to things that only SLIGHTLY make you happy/relaxed is a good start.
I also color my hair to hide the grays emo
emotion_hug I'm sorry you're going through all of that bullshit.
Thanks I really needed to get that off my chest thanks for the advice and hell thanks for taking time to read the wall-o-text.
I just put on my Crystalmancer outfit for art. Although, truth be told I hadn't requested art before joining this guild. I wasn't exactly social in the past. This is really the first time that I've been comfortable around a group of people I have never really met to the point where I can request art and talk with them. But I digress. I think that outfit with the Renaissance hat and the Ciel boots is your signature look.
I'm not sure why I have a hard time believing that. You seem pretty social and warm to me!
Yeah.. I think so too.. I actually made that BEFORE RO, sans the Barton neckerchief. Now I consider it the "Nightravens" outfit. I do request that one to be drawn a lot.. but I want something.. else. Yeah... idk.
I really want to be able to request a Pokemon sprite type of art! But I'd want an outfit that sort of matches that "style."
D: I was also thinking.. maybe if I learn how to make sprites and stuff.. we can have like UNofficial guild member cards!! And have them all pro looking like those on that site xD;; (I REALLY want to do this soon. haha so when things get less busy, I'll open up a free shop here.)
Heh, trust me, I was a very different person back then. Anyhow, I love your guild member card idea. That would be great. I can just see everyone putting them in their siggy and parading them around all over the place. The rest of Gaia will be jealous. I's still go with my Crystalmancer outfit for that. It's just my signature look. The only thing I am missing is the Astra Shadow Gem.
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:06 pm
Arcueil of Huron
Guild Carver1
Um..well lets see where to start...........hmm...
Every night for the last two and a half weeks has been a living hell for me. It started when Brayden (My ex gf that I still have feelings for) tells me at about noon that "I'm done with Zack(the guy she broke up with) he is such a big baby. I think if things work out there may be something between me and you again Guild" then about midnight she does a complete 180 and says "I got back with Zack" then proceeds to not speak to me for a week. In that week I was depressed because of her crushing my feelings. Well Mom and dad begin fighting over stupid s**t then dad starts on me for no reason at all other than breathing out when he was breathing in. Then that went on about every day that week. Well Brayden text me when her and Kate(Her sister) were on the bus saying she wanted to talk. Three hours later Kate text me asking what we were talking about and I told her nothing because Brayden never text me back. Well Kate told me to text Bray so I did. Bray tells me her and Kate were playing truth or dare and she asked me a question. I gave her an answer and six hours go by. Kate text me again asking me what Bray was saying and I told her that she hand't said a word to me in over six hours. Well Kate acted like she got mad when she found that out. Then Bray didn't text me again till Friday or Saturday with only a "I'm depressed :c" and I said me to I've been so stressed my hair is turning gray whats the matter with you? and she says nothing else then you tell me today that she said I told her I didn't want to talk anymore? Oh and then last night my dad started making fun of me because I have extreme arachnophobia and told me that "There's always going to be spiders in the world so you might as well get over it" then he gets mad starts cussing me like a dog and gets in my face threatening to punch me because I said "Millions of people have it does that mean that just because you aren't scared of something all those millions of people who are just need to get over it?" Then tonight I was simply reading a message a friend sent me about half way through it mom ask me to run to the store to get bread. I told her sure lemme finish reading this real quick. Well apparently that was secrete code to trigger dads explosion mode because he went off on me for no reason. Then I get home and he is pissed off at me and now him and mom are fighting. In the meantime I just looked in the mirror and my hair is getting grayer and lighter all around and I know it isn't because I've been in the sun because I'm 9 time out of 10 wearing a hat.
/rant
sad You sound like you have a lot going on in your life.
Advice/comment (only if you feel like reading it. I'm not trying to impose.)
On Brayden- when couples break up, there is usually a 1-3 month span of the two people getting back together and breaking up again. People just don't want to feel lonely, and breaking up usually instillls feelings of doubt-- doubt about whether the decision to break up was REALLY a good choice. I know its hard, especially since you have feelings for her (and I know you don't want to hear this), but you need to excommunicate her for a while. Even if she is your friend, and that includes her sister. Her presence in your life doesn't benefit you at all-- it will just cause you further stress since she will not be able to return those feelings that you want (not until she is COMPLETELY over that other guy). And by allowing her to stay around, you're giving her the POWER to control your emotions every waking hour. You don't need another thing turning your hair gray.
Someday, and it does take a hell of a lot of time, when you text/see/communicate with Brayden, it won't hurt you. And you'll be able to be friends again. And if in that time SHE (it has to be her, not you) wants to return to you-- then you make the decision about whether or not to restart your relationship.
What you're going through is very unhealthy-- and yes, lots of people go through this (like a lot of my guy friends who aren't so lucky in the relationship field..). The healthy option that you have is to distance yourself away from anything-Brayden, until you have moved on-- BECAUSE you are still very much emotionally attached to a girl who is only going to give you grief, because her priorities are elsewhere. (If she says she wants to be friendds with you and doesnt want to see you go-- it doesn't matter. You won't be able to move on because any friendly act from her will translate into hope-- a hope that isn't realistic at this point in time).
On your family Family problems can really be the worst sometimes. They're SUPPOSED to be the main support group.. and homes should be a place of peace. I can relate because my family was once like this-- mom and dad always arguing-- dad always explosive (and more). Your dad seems to have a short fuse, and some underlying issue about how you answer him. I'm not sure how your tone was, but if it was nice and polite and he still blew up at you-- there is some subconscious turmoil in his mind.
It might not be something you can fix instantly, and I doubt that if you sit and have a chat with him RIGHT NOW that he'll respond nicely, initially-- but if you want this solved, and cannot move out of your house, a conversation with him is needed. Well, a FEW conversations is needed. Tell him how you feel, ask him (in an inquisitive and non-judgmental/fighting way) why he always seems to upset at you. His comment about phobias seems very ignorant-- I know lots of families think psych problems are "made up" and "not that serious." It may just be that-- or his comment might have been said to hint at whatever issues he has with you.
Family therapy works as well. I haven't tried it though, and it seems too out of the way.
Gray hair I actually have a very well hidden patch as well. Men get it real bad though--- and it doesn't help that testosterone makes stress = balding+gray. You can lessen it by reclaiming your sanity and wellbeing though-- but that takse effort. You have to realize that some stressors aren't as necessary as you think (Brayden)-- as well as finding things that make you happy. Even doing/watching/listening to things that only SLIGHTLY make you happy/relaxed is a good start.
I also color my hair to hide the grays emo
emotion_hug I'm sorry you're going through all of that bullshit.
That is actually good advice. I wish I could come up with stuff like this.
Also, Guildy, sorry you are having a terrible time.
Thanks I really needed to get that off my chest thanks for the advice and hell thanks for taking time to read the wall-o-text.
No problem, man. I just hope things start getting better for you soon. NO ONE can be content living like that.. emotion_hug
I used to frequent Life Issues a lot emo xD Lots of Great Walls of Text there. But hey, when you have problems-- gotta let them out.
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:11 pm
Celestine Ravencroft
Heh, trust me, I was a very different person back then. Anyhow, I love your guild member card idea. That would be great. I can just see everyone putting them in their siggy and parading them around all over the place. The rest of Gaia will be jealous. I's still go with my Crystalmancer outfit for that. It's just my signature look. The only thing I am missing is the Astra Shadow Gem.
I think it'd just be so much fun haha xD;; to make and stuff.. And oo-- wow that thing is expensive o_o. How much do you have left to save? And I see that you have an Ultimate Avatar in your profile-- o-o you has lots of outfits!
That is actually good advice. I wish I could come up with stuff like this.
Also, Guildy, sorry you are having a terrible time.
XD; Thank you.. I've had to be told those things about a hundred times before it got through my thick, stubborn, emotional skull--and I still am hopeless when faced with a situation like that. And I still can't give advice that is grammatically sound A__A. BAH.
Random-- I think this is one of the first few times I've ever seen you post outside of the gaming subforum.
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:17 pm
Guild Carver1
Carver, I feel for ya. I have arachnophobia as well, and it really is not cool when people tell you to just get over it. It's not something you can just "get over". Anyhow, Arc gave some good advice. She's 100% right about all of it. It sounds to me like your dad has personal issues that he's not dealing with, and therefor turns around and uses you as a vent, which is not fair at all. He'll end up tearing the family apart if he doesn't get help. He's probably the one who needs the therapy. If you need to talk to anyone, just remember the whole guild is here to listen and help you through this.
That is actually good advice. I wish I could come up with stuff like this.
Also, Guildy, sorry you are having a terrible time.
XD; Thank you.. I've had to be told those things about a hundred times before it got through my thick, stubborn, emotional skull--and I still am hopeless when faced with a situation like that. And I still can't give advice that is grammatically sound A__A. BAH.
Random-- I think this is one of the first few times I've ever seen you post outside of the gaming subforum.
You're welcome is all I can say. I do not know what else to say. I find it hard to believe you suck at giving advice.
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:23 pm
Arcueil of Huron
Guild Carver1
Thanks I really needed to get that off my chest thanks for the advice and hell thanks for taking time to read the wall-o-text.
No problem, man. I just hope things start getting better for you soon. NO ONE can be content living like that.. emotion_hug
I used to frequent Life Issues a lot emo xD Lots of Great Walls of Text there. But hey, when you have problems-- gotta let them out.
Oh no I'm perfectly fine with being so emotionally drained that my hair is turning gray and I am becoming a shell of the man I once was.../sarcasm
Heh, trust me, I was a very different person back then. Anyhow, I love your guild member card idea. That would be great. I can just see everyone putting them in their siggy and parading them around all over the place. The rest of Gaia will be jealous. I's still go with my Crystalmancer outfit for that. It's just my signature look. The only thing I am missing is the Astra Shadow Gem.
I think it'd just be so much fun haha xD;; to make and stuff.. And oo-- wow that thing is expensive o_o. How much do you have left to save? And I see that you have an Ultimate Avatar in your profile-- o-o you has lots of outfits!
I'm an item hoarder, so I have every outfit slot filled, and need about 100 more slots for the rest. Half the reason I'm selling those EIs in the guild is to try to raise more money for my wishlist items. I could technically buy the Shadow Gem now, but I'm waiting for a while to see if the price comes down more. I think some people get them in the monthly chance items, and put them up for sale. I'll never be able to afford my ultimate avi, so I may look for alternative items. The Michael's Wings are the part I can basically forget about. Lady Luck isn't really a possibility either. I was thinking the white/silver Hollywood whatever item for the dress instead.
