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 Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:27 pm
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:36 pm
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:48 pm
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Totle Totally Tampons! I personally think that holding the door is a matter of manners, rather than chivalry. Opening regular doors is fine with me, but when people start opening my car door or pulling out my chair for me, I start wondering what the fresh hell is wrong with you. I was refering to this quote, what's the difference between the two doors?
But if someone makes an effort to tell me to not open the door because they'll get it, get out, travel around the damn car and open my door for me, I begin to get a bit fired up. I am certainly capable of reaching out six inches and using a handle, rather than someone going through all that trouble. Likewise, I can pull up a chair on my own. I feel no desire to be taken care of in such a manner.
Perhaps the intimacy of the car door/chair scenario is another divider between that and "regular door" set of circumstances. Car doors and chairs are things you'd see more in an intimate, date-like setting, while anyone can hold a door for anyone else passing through.
Or did you mean something else? |
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:56 pm
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:09 pm
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:22 pm
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:57 am
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:12 am
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:58 pm
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DC-Chan. Totle It basically boils down to you being awsome, DC! Skyscraper on wheels... this guild's excellence must be mostly based on members Shut up, you know it's a good idea. Soon, all of New York will be filled with people driving their skyscrapers to work!
And I know I'm awesome. whee |
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:43 pm
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:53 pm
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Totle No, that answered my question. I was refering to your reaction to both and you answered it. I always wondered, but I guess it varies from person to person. Now, I hate to generalize, but I've noticed that girls at my school (as I can only speak for them) are selective in their choice of chivalry... they kinda pick and choose bits and pieces from it. I had a friend come from Europe and there chivalry has evolved to a whole new level of, lets say, things a girl does and when he came here, he was getting chewed out by a bunch of girls cuz they thought he was sexist and was trying to supress their feminist spirit. I kinda laughed a little at the irony of the situation.
Personally, I can see where someone would come from when they say that chivalry to an extreme level is sexist, because some polite gestures today grew from sexist roots. Doors were originally held for people thought incapable of doing it for themselves; children, cripples, and women. It evolved into the more chivalrous form we see today.
Honestly, I like it when people hold doors for me, because I'm lazy. And I'm not saying the girls are right for chewing him out, unless they repeatedly asked him to stop and he persisted anyway. In the end, the meaning behind the action falls not in the action, but in the people. The meaning is within people. These girls obviously saw a meaning different than intended.
However, unless those girls yelling at him about supressing their feminist spirits was, in fact, supressing his feminist spirit, I can't see the irony. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:45 pm
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Totally Tampons! Totle No, that answered my question. I was refering to your reaction to both and you answered it. I always wondered, but I guess it varies from person to person. Now, I hate to generalize, but I've noticed that girls at my school (as I can only speak for them) are selective in their choice of chivalry... they kinda pick and choose bits and pieces from it. I had a friend come from Europe and there chivalry has evolved to a whole new level of, lets say, things a girl does and when he came here, he was getting chewed out by a bunch of girls cuz they thought he was sexist and was trying to supress their feminist spirit. I kinda laughed a little at the irony of the situation. Personally, I can see where someone would come from when they say that chivalry to an extreme level is sexist, because some polite gestures today grew from sexist roots. Doors were originally held for people thought incapable of doing it for themselves; children, cripples, and women. It evolved into the more chivalrous form we see today. Honestly, I like it when people hold doors for me, because I'm lazy. And I'm not saying the girls are right for chewing him out, unless they repeatedly asked him to stop and he persisted anyway. In the end, the meaning behind the action falls not in the action, but in the people. The meaning is within people. These girls obviously saw a meaning different than intended. However, unless those girls yelling at him about supressing their feminist spirits was, in fact, supressing his feminist spirit, I can't see the irony.
Its ironic because in Europe, where he's from, women would work on the farms alongside the men (we're talking prior to colonies) and the whole women don't do the same jobs as men all originated here in America... So we have a general concept of chivalry where the men does all the work to earn the bread, yet that never truly applied to Europe. So for him to be called a sexist... well its just kinda funny |
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:54 pm
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:45 am
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