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 Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:42 pm
~Jobs~ ==Advantages and Disadvantages== Swordsman: A- High upper-body strength D- Low skill in hand to hand and/or foot based fighting Fighters: A- great full body strength, and endurance. Some are agile and flexible. D- Low dexterity Inventor: A- High dexterity & intelligence. D- Low skill in close range combat. Gunner/archer: A- Great accuracy, speed & above average endurance. D- poor at close range combat Magic user: A- High intelligence & skill in magic. D- low endurance. Exorcist: A- High intelligence, above average skill in magic, and above average strength. D- Low agility and speed. ~Races~ Humans: Even though this is not earth there are still humans. For the most part they don't have many special abilities but are excellent inventors and can vary greatly. Animal Hybrids: These are usually humanoid people with animal characteristics. Most mix with humans but occasionally they mix with other races. Elves: Most are well adapted in magic and archery but some are also are great inventors or even truly in touch with nature. This race branches off into subraces: wood elf. dark elf, blood elf, light elf, high elf, Aquatic elf, Avariel elves. sourceVampires: This is your typical vampire, known to burn in direct sun light, etc. This race are considered demons. These are vampires at birth so they have a great deal of power compared to others. Infected: These are pretty much half vampires, they have half the abilities of a true vampire. They are still effected by the light and need blood but just not as much. They aren't usually hunted like demons but are usually shunned. Demons+ Possessors: As the name implies, these demons possess anything from humanoids to creatures. Most of them have solid forms but they're usually weak while some have translucent forms. Elemental Demons: Pretty typical, these demons have control over one or two elements. Kitsune: This race is considered a demon, but some have been known to fight other demons. They have a foxy appearance and have the ability to possess others among other things. Sinister spirit: This is usually someone who died and returned for some reason. They tend to have special abilities that apply to how they die or what they did while they were alive. Angel+ Archangel: This is the most common angel found on earth. Fallen Angel: This is a former angel that was banished from heaven for whatever reason. Most of them join the demons in there struggle. They are easily distinguished by there black wings and halo. Their halo usually has a white glow around it.
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:04 pm
I'd just like to make a note that these are rough ideas for races and character types. It needs some work so don't take it as the final thing.
Also if you have any suggestions or ideas feel free to post them here.
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:13 pm
I actually have a kitsune character but she controls fire via a dagger.
I also have a human - dragon/reptile hybrid character.
What are your thoughts on hybrids?
Is there some sort of organization for either side? Like armies? Are there cities? Countries? Are there monarchs? Governments?
Also, I think the ability to weild magic begs the opportunity to god mod. What about limitations? Types of magic and basic rules that might outline the use and power behind spells and charms, etc. For example, in Full-Metal Alchemist, they are governed by the law of equivalent exchange. Are there skill levels?
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:44 pm
I'm going to rework the kitsue but that's kewl.
And I'm adding hybrids I just didn't add it to the list yet.
My thoughts on hybrids are that I'd like to see some variety in the race mixture.
I haven't came up with anything firm on sides, but I was thinking of having something like armies but I like the monarch ideal too. I think that would give more shape to the story than a simple army.
As for magic there will be limitations and that to will be branched into different types such as: Elementals, healing, protection, illusions, ritualist, summons, you know stuff like that. It's still a work in progress though. And yeah there will be skill levels. I hadn't thought about rules and such. Maybe we could do something like the law of equivalent exchange and have each spell cost blood depending on the persons skill level and spell strength. Idk, just throwing out ideas.
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:03 pm
Okay cuz then I have like fourty bajwillion hybrids whom I could totally tweak to fit the circumstances!
I had the idea of having at least one "Mount Olympus" stronghold where everything is luxurious and calm and beautiful and it's all for one species (like the Angels or Elves). In fact I was even gonna find a cool celtic or gaelic name for it. XD Of course, the city would have, like, freakin' god-mod status defensive assets.
I'm not so sure if blood's the greatest medium, especially if you want to allow people to improve. Maybe power levels based on aspects similar to something like Eragon where it's about knoweledge, linguistics, and power(which you can store). I think allowing for improvement on either side is a must, though. I read a sci-fi book series about two years ago that would let you do just about anything (one girl alone pulled a hunk of the sun's core out and created an entire species). But this is mostly in the beginning, when you're at your best. Subsequently, your power would diminish greatly and stabilize over the course of a year. And then you'd get weaker as you progressed. I really like the concept of equivalent exchange, though.
Here's something. Are the races primarily independant or are they intermixed, working and fighting together to abolish the opposing side? Are their leaders for each race? Is there a caste system? How does social structure work? Is it more modern or midieval?
Big detail, in my opinion: the History. How'd they get there? Why are they fighting? Where are they?
What about non-sword and non-projectile weapons?
Are there allowed to be other fantastical races? If so, what?
And I think you should really think through how you want religion to feature in this.
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:18 pm
Ummm, I might not answer all your question so if I miss one let me know.
Okay first off, I haven't decided on a whole lot yet that's why I put up this forum so ideals can be discussed. I wish some of the other crew would join in on the discussion and give some input.
One ideal I've already brought up to a friend in here is that the setting will be on a medieval like time that has a mix of futuristic technology. I'm not sure if that makes much sense though. It won't take place on earth either, but the environment will look similar to earth.
I'm not to sure about the Mount Olympus thing, but it's an ideal we'll have to talk about.
I was just throwing out ideas about the blood thing, I was just having one of those moments right there sweatdrop I have moments like that every now and then lol. I don't go to the library often so I don't read to many sci-fi or fictional books but the ones I've read never really put limitations on powers they would just get alittle beat up until they couldn't do anything. The power thing is something we'll have to get into a deeper discussion with. And yeah the equivalent exchange thing is an interesting concept but I'm not sure how we could get it to apply to this rp but I'm sure it won't be to difficult to figure that out.
As for the races alignment I want it to be intermixed any race can work on either side. I'm not sure if I want all races to have leaders but I'll have to think it over. Some races might have several leaders while others will only have one or two. I'll have to think on wheather or not there will be a caste system but the social structure would have the demons on the lowest level and the angels and elves at the highest. We can sort it out a bit more later, and maybe would could even switch it up in various areas.
I haven't decided on the history just yet I'm still thinking that over. How everyone got there is also something I need to think over.
Why are they fighting is something I had a few ideas on. I thought that maybe the demons are trying to search for a "treasure" that will help them rewrite the world and put them on top. Or maybe they're searching for a forbidden tool that will unlock a new step in there evolution. In my old guild Hell Gate the story there was pretty simple, it was similar to Yu Yu Hakusho. The demons wanted to free there king so he could rule the world but he was to big and strong to get out so they had to fight the angels to open the gate. So maybe we could think about those are come up with some better ones.
I'm not sure what your getting at about the non-sword and non-projectile weapons so you'll have to kinda explain what you mean a bit more.
I do want to add more races but I don't want to bring them up now and I can't think of anymore right now. I do have a couple I haven't shown just yet.
And I think I'm the last person interested in religion. Don't get me wrong I pay attention in church but some things don't make sense. We'll also have to discuss religion....I'm gonna pm the other mods in the guild so we all can talk about this because me and you can't be the only ones talking about this.
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:32 pm
Oh yeah, I also had an Idea to make a city/town that was basically built to be a maze. City hall/castle in the middle, upper class surrounding it, then middle, and so on. It was just an ideal that popped in my head awhile ago while watching Tower prep. I haven't decided on who would live there, but maybe the elves could stay there or one of the other races that are known to be intelligent.
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:04 pm
Hey,
Just thought I'd pop in and suggest a few things,
Firstly,if any race can take any side,what are you going to do to prevent a mass outbreak of lone-wolves?
It'd be pretty boring to have just a tonne of Dante/Nero/Generally does whatever the hell they like type of characters.
Also,I like the idea of the maze city,and the races each having their own HQ area,how about having a sort of plane as a base for some of the races?
How do you feel about having some sort of summoning magic?
You know,to summon creatures from the character's race/alignment
Another idea I had is why not have a few internal issues,I don't imagine all races can go along day-to-day being completely content
I definitely think we need a few more races,something just seems to be missing,but that's just my opinion
Finally,why not have some sort of pact-type options?
Bayonetta and Drakengard gave me the idea,so people can make a deal with a powerful being for their race in order to gain some powers at a cost or under some condition,obviously limit it so that people don't get to God-Mod levels,but enough that they can have some abilities exclusive to those with a pact.
Maybe make it exclusive to Occultists or something.
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:45 pm
Well for your first comment, although races can chose either side there are still different groups for them to be in so its not like there's going to be alot of lone characters. Then again it could happen either way. Also why does everyone keep comparing it to Devil May Cry? I got the ideal from an MMO game called Dugeon Fighter.
The plane idea is interesting but we can't have to many of them since I wanted it to be more focused on one world than several separate ones. The demons would defeantly have there own plane, I was thinking of maybe doing the 9 circles of hell for them of course that's just an ideal. I don't know much of the place but I can easily do the research on it. Also I'd like to note that I did get the idea from Dante's Inferno.
I'm not sure if you noticed but I did mention summons in a pervious post, I'll add it to the first post so it won't be missed anymore. Also I kinda like the idea of race specific summons.
And I like the idea of internal issues in the races, I was actually looking into that happening but I think your kinda jumping the gun. We need to first structure the story before we get into that.
I feel the same way about the races, of course depending on how many we end up with we might have to end up using only half the races when we start and open up more as it grows.
The pact ideal sounds interesting but that seems like something only magic users or Occultists as you said, would use with a few exceptions here and there. Maybe we could make it so that there could be both pact type and another type of magic users.
Of course it's a working ideal so we need to discuss it with others before we settle on one ideal. Maybe once enough people join into the discussion we could start focusing on one idea until we've establish something solid for it.
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:43 am
I had wrote out a big hefty description of Dante's Nine Circles,but my internet crashed and I lost it,but anyway I like the idea of drawing reference from it,maybe we could draw on the rest of his Divine Comedy (Inferno,Purgatorio and Paradiso) for inspiration,maybe even for some of the other planes
I think DMC has probably the most well-known and readily available lone-wolf style characters,I wasn't making a comparison,I guess I could have said John Constantine,but DMC was the first thing that came to mind
As for the internal issues,I was thinking at about the mid-point of the story,that way we can let everyone settle in and get into the feel of things and their places in their races hierarchy
Pact and another type sounds good,that way people won't all leap for a pact and we may have a little more variety for people to RP with or against,at the end of the day the more options we give them to play around with without confusing them,the better
I had an idea for the race options,maybe get a few of the crew to create a character of a race we've decided but not told the regular members,then once a character from the regular members meets up with them it becomes available to all,so they sort of unlock the races
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:25 pm
Mhmm, computers can be a pain like that sometimes. But you'll have to kinda explain those things since I don't know much about them.
And I wasn't saying that about DMC because you used it as a reference to lone characters but because it's a demon hunter guild and I'm not aiming for it to be anything like that world.
Like I said earlier we can save internal issues for later, really that's a plot device that we'll come up with along the way and it doesn't have to be created by us mods either.
I didn't want just pact types because it might restrict more free thinking than I want it to. Of course for the other types we'll have to decide on what that will be.
I'm not to sure about a surprise unlockable race, that sounds to video gamish. That would have to be something we'd need to discuss as a group. We need to figure out a way for us all to communicate outside the forums. I know msn would work fine but not everyone uses things like that.
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:28 am
Okay,I'll post some about Purgatorio and Paradiso in a later post when my internet is back on top form (I'm posting this in the aftershocks),but basically,as for Dante's Inferno,here is the condensed version of what I wrote,I may be wrong on the 7th ring,so please shout if you spot a mistake,but here it is provided I can remember this correctly;
Circles 1-5 are for passive sins
Circle 6 & 7 are for active sins (Violent Sins)
Circle 8 & 9 are for active sins (Malicious Sins)
1st Circle;Limbo,for those who didn't accept Christ,in other words passively accepting evil,no punishment here except for grieving for their disconnection with God with no hope of reconciliation
2nd Circle;Lust,speaks for itself really,the punishment is to be blown back and forth by stormy winds
3rd Circle;Gluttony,Also speaks for itself,basically the punishment is to be submerged in a river of the icy slush created by sleet,which is a metaphor for the emptiness of their lifestyle
4th Circle;Greed,not sure about the punishment here,if anybody would care to enlighten me on this one
5th circle;Wrath and Sulleness,basically they're punishments are related to the river Styx,which is depicted as a marshy,swampy sludge,the wrathful fight eachother on the surface and the sullen lie submerged underneath
6th Circle;Heresy,this one is exactly what it says on the can,and the punishment is to be eternally traped in a burning tomb
7th Circle;Violence,this one is pretty complex,as there are 3 rings,the outer the middle in the inner ring,each for different crimes and with different punishment
Outer;Those violent against people and property are submerged in a lake,the banks of which are guarded by Charon and the Centaurs,who fire arrows at anyone who tries to escape,the people who committed the sin are submerged at a level relative to the seriousness of their crimes
Middle;This is for those violent to themselves,they are transformed into thorny bushes,with their corpses hanging from the branches,this is also for those who hamred themselves because they were violent against that which life is sustained upon,such as money and food
Inner;This one is a bit complicated,I think that somewhere there is a punishment for people violent against nature,which is one we may have to miss out,because it could cause offence,because Dante actually classed violence against nature as being homosexual
Past this I'll have to check it up on the internet,because I don't want to give the wrongs facts,but I'm sure there is a desert filled with hot sands that has fire for rain,and that the 9th Circle is for Treachery,but you'll have to bear with me until I sort my connection out
I know you weren't going for that sort of guild,but I guess until it's up and running properly people will think it's going to be like DMC or something
Yes,as I said I agree not to start off with internal issues,and I was neccessarily thinking of just us Mods coming up with it
Exactly why I agreed with you saying pacts and other types of specialties
I suppose it is,I was just throwing it out there as a suggestion though
As for a way for us all to talk,I would say Gaia instant messenger,but that was removed,PMs aren't reliable,because we would have to forward 4 messages to get a discussion going,for now we'll just have to see if we can round up the crew to this thread and see,
Maybe see what the majority of us have and see if we can get the rest of the crew to use it
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:06 pm
The 4th circle's punishment is pushing boulders to the center and back. I looked up the circles but I was just hoping someone could explain them a bit better is all.
And i understand wanting to get out some ideas, I'm not trying to tell you not to put them out I just don't want you to get to carried away with ideas before we establish anything...not saying that you would.
As for group discussions, I think I know a way to talk together. We'll need to set up on this site that way no one will need to download anything they won't use more than once. All I need to do if look through me pms for the site I'm thinking about. Once I do that I'll create a place and post a link here.
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:31 pm
Okay I just found the site and I set up a place. Here is where we can discuss things http://theunknowndomain.chatango.com/Now we need to find out when majority of the crew will be online.
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:34 am
Ah,thanks,as you can tell I'm a bit rusty
That's an excellent discovery,looks like we'll need some sort of greeting or thing to say to prove you are actually who you say you are and that we aren't talking to an imposter. . . not that that is likely to happen
In what way did you mean you wanted them explained better?
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