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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:48 am
I'm curious... can anyone explain it to me? I've tried looking it up and found I couldn't understand what the net said about it.  
PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:11 am
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I'm curious... can anyone explain it to me? I've tried looking it up and found I couldn't understand what the net said about it.


Essentially, it's an old grimoire (book of magick). There're tonnes of versions, the original supposedly being written by King Solomon himself, but scholars have calculated that it probably originated in the 15th or 16th century.

The most famous version is "The Lesser Key of Solomon the King" which (I think) is quite different from "The Key of Solomon". In it (the Lesser Key), there are instructions for summoning up the 72 demons of the Goetia, as well as angels later on, and some instructions for various magickal devices and props.

Is there something in particular about it you don't understand?  

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:13 am
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I'm curious... can anyone explain it to me? I've tried looking it up and found I couldn't understand what the net said about it.


Essentially, it's an old grimoire (book of magick). There're tonnes of versions, the original supposedly being written by King Solomon himself, but scholars have calculated that it probably originated in the 15th or 16th century.

The most famous version is "The Lesser Key of Solomon the King" which (I think) is quite different from "The Key of Solomon". In it (the Lesser Key), there are instructions for summoning up the 72 demons of the Goetia, as well as angels later on, and some instructions for various magickal devices and props.

Is there something in particular about it you don't understand?
Thankyou. You've covered it. I couldn't quite grasp what exactly it was before, but now I've got a picture.
Wait... if someone were to try to summon a demon, would they go to hell if they were a Catholic/Christian?  
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:38 am
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I'm curious... can anyone explain it to me? I've tried looking it up and found I couldn't understand what the net said about it.


Essentially, it's an old grimoire (book of magick). There're tonnes of versions, the original supposedly being written by King Solomon himself, but scholars have calculated that it probably originated in the 15th or 16th century.

The most famous version is "The Lesser Key of Solomon the King" which (I think) is quite different from "The Key of Solomon". In it (the Lesser Key), there are instructions for summoning up the 72 demons of the Goetia, as well as angels later on, and some instructions for various magickal devices and props.

Is there something in particular about it you don't understand?
Thankyou. You've covered it. I couldn't quite grasp what exactly it was before, but now I've got a picture.
Wait... if someone were to try to summon a demon, would they go to hell if they were a Catholic/Christian?


Depends who you ask. The nomenclature of the book is heavily Judeo-Christian, and it's all about asking God and the Archangels to lend you power to control these things, so from my P.o.V, you should be fine.  

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:40 am
basically, if you are a Gnostic Christian it's normal practice, and the same is true of CERTAIN Catholics and Orthodox Christians. though most of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches (or individual Bishops) practice these rituals in secret. the Pope would surely tell you that you are a heretic and must repent before The Devil drags you to the Pits from which you are calling Demons from, but realy, who's to say that he is right?  
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:12 pm
Oh my. Why thankyou. xD  

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:11 pm
I have a copy of both the Key and the Lesser Key of Solomon in .pdf format.

They're basically just Esoteric CM rituals...  
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:22 pm
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I have a copy of both the Key and the Lesser Key of Solomon in .pdf format.

They're basically just Esoteric CM rituals...


They are fun to read, really.

Personally, I don't think I would use it, too many tools IMHO.

Other than that, one could just set up a circle and do your own thing and summon a goetic demon probably.  

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:28 pm
Indeed, you could.

Ceremonial Magick is very precise. You have to do everything just right, or it doesn't work...

It takes a lot of pre-planning, which is why I don't do anything too serious with it... Just little basic things (like the Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram. I use it a lot)  
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:45 pm
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Other than that, one could just set up a circle and do your own thing and summon a goetic demon probably.


The CM circle used in the Keys of Solomon aren't needed to summon the goetic demon... It's there to protect the caster from getting killed as soon as the demon is summoned...

If you are going to summon Goetic entities, it would be highly advisable to use the circle for that purpose... for your own safety. In a normal circle, there is nothing protecting you from being attacked and/or possessed...  

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:00 pm
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Other than that, one could just set up a circle and do your own thing and summon a goetic demon probably.


The CM circle used in the Keys of Solomon aren't needed to summon the goetic demon... It's there to protect the caster from getting killed as soon as the demon is summoned...

If you are going to summon Goetic entities, it would be highly advisable to use the circle for that purpose... for your own safety. In a normal circle, there is nothing protecting you from being attacked and/or possessed...


Oh xD Sorry, I should have been more clear. Yes, the circle is used for protective purposes. We want to keep the demon in the circle, not keep us in and the demon in at the same time XD

And that was the mistake the Wiccan made sad

I don't do anything serious with CM magic either. I like studying it and looking for the simplistic side of it (they like to make it complicated, but it doesn't have to be). For example the LBRP I have found a non-dogmatic (without the use of the archangels) version of it and I like it a lot more.

Peter Carol invented it and called it the Gnostic Ritual of the Pentagram.  
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:21 pm
I agree. The Ceremonial Magicians intentionally made their rituals extremely complex (there are some that take 6 months to perform 0.0), because it kept average joe from being able to do things above his magickal skill level. It's for Safety purposes, I imagine.

Gnostic Ritual of the Pentagram? I might have to look this up.  

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Cunning Witch Angus

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:57 pm
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I agree. The Ceremonial Magicians intentionally made their rituals extremely complex (there are some that take 6 months to perform 0.0), because it kept average joe from being able to do things above his magickal skill level. It's for Safety purposes, I imagine.

Gnostic Ritual of the Pentagram? I might have to look this up.


Yes. But some of us are not so average XD

Because we devour...everything that has an ounce of knowledge...

I find it better, for me, than saying names of YHVH.  
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:10 pm
Whatever works for you is perfectly fine.

I use the one involving the Archangels because it works for me, and I see no reason to change something that works just fine.  

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DracoJesi

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 12:08 pm
The Greater Key involves the making of tools and other just things for the foundational praxis of the Arte. The Lesser key is comprised of several lesser books. When most talk of the lesser key they are often referring to the Lemmegeton which deals with the seventytwp daemons of the Goetia. However that is only one book of the lesser key.

Cunning Witch Angus
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I have a copy of both the Key and the Lesser Key of Solomon in .pdf format.

They're basically just Esoteric CM rituals...


They are fun to read, really.

Personally, I don't think I would use it, too many tools IMHO.

Other than that, one could just set up a circle and do your own thing and summon a goetic demon probably.


You can, aware you lose some of the protection the tome has you insure, such as the Binding Triangle and coiled serpent versicle. that and the Ring and Blasting Rod ( the latter of which I'm not sure many take the time to construct these days)

I would first suggest a hybrid circle before attempting to call a Daemon into a regular circle. I'm created a circle for this very occasion. It is fairly straight-forward.

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