PEOPLE NEED TO STOP THE HATE ON MUSLIMS

[Oh Horatio]

i hate em, they're such a savage and uncultured people

[Kiaravell]

Religions, in their own pure being, are beautiful. The people who carry them, however... that's another story. Growing up (ye, I'm a muslim, albeit not an overly-religious one just yet) I never thought my religion would one day be so... hated. Never thought humans would be so stupid as to blame the religion itself, instead of the people who carried it so shamefully.

Let me ask you something, are the christians in China the same as in America?
Are the hindus in Bali the same as the ones in India?
No, they're not. The same goes for us muslims. Not all of us are stuck-up or have superiority-complexes. Spend some time in the Southeastern countries, you'll see.

It all comes down to one thing : A person. Whether or not they're bad, that's their own fault.

[Memetic Sexgod]

People could also learn to let others be and not stick their gooey fingers on other people's lives.

[Ametrin]

I wouldn't hate them if they were able to tolerate that not everyone is willing to be a muslim. Why do I often hear about non muslims being persecuted, tortured and killed in muslim countries, do you think it's all made up?

[Brain Weasels]

Robotic Housekeeper

Dromias

Who gives enough of a s**t to hate Muslims?

Some Jewish folks. My mum thought it was funny to jokingly call Muslims 'terrorists' and I told her off because she's the type who sees anti-semitism everywhere and I don't trust it was actually a joke.

But if we don't hate the Jews, then the turrurists win!

[Ametrin]

thewaitingtree

They hate Christians too.

About the only religion I don't see anyone hating is Buddhism. Join that and be less butthurt?

Buddhism also has its extremists who persecute non Buddhists - you don't see it in Western countries but it exists in Eastern Asia.

[GMASTERJ]

Muslims need to stop the hate on people

[thewaitingtree]

Ametrin

thewaitingtree

They hate Christians too.

About the only religion I don't see anyone hating is Buddhism. Join that and be less butthurt?

Buddhism also has its extremists who persecute non Buddhists - you don't see it in Western countries but it exists in Eastern Asia.

Really? I live in East Asia... I don't see it... but then again - most Koreans I know are nominal Buddhists. That is - they say they're Buddhist but they don't really do anything to be in the religion.. they just do their funerals that way, and maybe they observe a holiday or two.

[SirPuzzle]

Smithnikov

GoneCrazyResurrected

And one finding in that book (which was a finding of a study) is that conservatives/right-wingers have a much better comprehension and understanding of what liberals believe in, however the opposite case is not true. Liberals as a group do not understand the beliefs of conservatives/right-wingers as well as conservatives/right-wingers understand the beliefs of liberals.

Explain Ann Coulter and Micheal Savage then.

I don't see how I can considering the fact that I don't know much about either of the two individuals. I find listening to them to be a waste of time, so inevitably I don't know very much about them or what they say about liberals.

Furthermore even if they straw manned the hell of out liberals and did not have a true understanding of liberals, what's your point? That therefore you can pick out two conservative individuals and conclude that therefore my statistical/generalized claim is wrong as is the claim in the study I am talking about?

Do you not see how bad of an argument that is?

It is also true that liberals have a higher average IQ than conservatives. Your argument would be the equivalent of me pointing to two self identified liberals with IQ's lower than 70 (I.E. considered mentally retarded) and then saying "Well explain that if what you're saying is true!"

Do you know what "distribution" means? Because if you did you wouldn't make such a bad argument.

[The Odious]

Christianity is the only religion I find myself hateful towards at the moment.
No real reason, I'm just tired of hearing about/from them.

[SirPuzzle]

Rael Lannister

i hate em, they're such a savage and uncultured people

If only you were white and said that.......

But you're not white, so the PC police will look the other way.

[SirPuzzle]

Smithnikov

GoneCrazyResurrected

I don't see how I can considering the fact that I don't know much about either of the two individuals. I find listening to them to be a waste of time, so inevitably I don't know very much about them or what they say about liberals.

So you make this argument that conservatives understand liberals better than the inverse, yet you ignore two very prominent voices.

Yeah because I comprehend the basic principle that a sample size of two is a shitty sample size.

The study I referred to had a much larger sample size than 2, thus why your argument sucks.

This isn't rocket science, I think if we just forget about this obviously bad argument.

[The Willow Of Darkness]

GoneCrazyResurrected

Smithnikov

GoneCrazyResurrected

I don't see how I can considering the fact that I don't know much about either of the two individuals. I find listening to them to be a waste of time, so inevitably I don't know very much about them or what they say about liberals.

So you make this argument that conservatives understand liberals better than the inverse, yet you ignore two very prominent voices.

Yeah because I comprehend the basic principle that a sample size of two is a shitty sample size.

The study I referred to had a much larger sample size than 2, thus why your argument sucks.

This isn't rocket science, I think if we just forget about this obviously bad argument.

Smithnikov isn't basing it on two individuals though. Those to people are an example of what a larger group understands liberals to be suggesting. What he is pointing out is that a significant proportion of conservative discourse has no idea what liberals argue, so it is misleading to imply conservative somehow understand liberal argument.

The problem actually lies in Haidt's description more than anything. He isn't wrong about conservatives having something in there ideology more often than liberals. Conservatives do something, protect particular social distinctions and demand people follow them, which liberals tend not to (liberals, on the other hand, are better at recognising how society restricts people). But this really has nothing to with understanding what each is demanding of society. Each still thinks what the other group is nonsense.

What Haidt is talking about is society and how develops. Neither conservatives or liberals are concerned with this when making their arguments. Both make their arguments to protect their specific political interest, rather than to identify what is necessary to build a society. What conservative ideology does better, in the context of forming a society, is not often realised by conservatives. They act is "protect important values" rather than to ensure people within society are connected will enough to keep it functioning (which is the weakness of conservative ideology: it acts to maintain the status quo, even though there might be alternative cultures which create a better society).

Liberals, on the other hand, are conceded with the restrictions society places on people. So their arguments focus on removing these restrictions. The issue is it easy to say: "Let's remove these restrictions" but often extremely hard to do it. To remove such restrictions, society has to be alter such that people act a different way. Liberal ideology is not so good at this, for it requires individual's to have specific responsibilities, particularly in regard to economics. So liberal ideology usually runs on already established social and economic systems, as then it doesn't need to make any specific demands of what individuals should to in their daily life. Thus, liberals are often unaware of just what it takes to establish a society (so what liberals tend not to understand, rather than conservative arguments, is the role the aspects of conservative ideology- shaming particular groups, placing all economic responsibility on the individual, socially imposed responsibilities to other people- play in forming a functioning society)