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That's not so far off. mrgreen

Each family has it's own pattern that gets passed down through the generations. Heh, now I'm having imaginary visions of door to door solicitors being invited in and being plied food and drink, lol.

A look through history over the millennia in different parts of the world are quite eye opening how extreme things can get when it comes to fashion, status and ideas of beauty. My avatars may be elaborate, but it's all pixels with no function to consider. IRL function and comfort always come first.

Nah, I tend not to watch that kind of video. It's far more fun to observe nature live up close as for me it's more than just a visual thing. I can sense in all my senses and get a much richer read of situations.

Thanks, but truly I am just an intermediate beginner. True dedicated bird people know over 4,000 different birds in all their forms, male, female, juvenile, breeding or nonbreeding and all the calls that go with them and where and when to find every single one of them. I am not so focused, but much more casual. My husband and I just stroll along and see what we can see. Those he gets pictures of we don't know we're able to identify via apps and sites. Over time, the numbers just added up. There's a great app for bird calls too and I use it a lot.

If you want a great example of a dedicated birder, watch the movie "The Big Year". It's actually a really good movie that I watched a few years before we began the walks.

It would seem so; a matter of learning, passed through the generations rather than instinct.

Lets just hope nothing else big pops up XD Even games these days have too many events and not enough time to play. Speaking of which, I got to start on gaia's easter one...did they ever make an announcement for it, I just read their notification of bug in the event got fixed

XD Even them!! Seriously thats a big issue, these people just want to get a foot in the door and my parents would offer them something to eat and drink without fail!

Same!! Though if armors and capes come back in fashion, I wont say no >__> but other than that, dress to impress is not my thing either. I am not interested in putting on a facade

Makes sense, though it was a video of monkey just messing with tigers, going around pulling their tails as they are just trying to rest and stuff XD

With my memory I cant ever remember. My grandpa was amazing though, he would be able to tell calls of birds and animals, which plant or tree it is. My parents could never answer such stuff and I was like- ehhh....so lame...didnt you learn anything from your parents? XD And today I cant tell fraction of stuff that my parents know XD

Never heard of it before! I shall try to find it, though when I have time for it, I might have to ask you the name again

True...and I guess a bit of both, like an instinct might drive them to a hiding place, but a safe place might be different depending on the area and the 2 groups pass down different things depending on that

There is much money to be made by taking up a lot of people's time with events; it means they spend more on the site and less in other places. So I expect each game you play will add more and more that will demand your time to play. Except Gaia.....

The Easter Event did start without announcement and it's yet another battle event, ho hum. The prizes are cute but when I came on and discovered it'd begun just a few hours after debut, everyone already had at least 580 hp and of course you enter with just 80 hp so I couldn't find a spot to get started. I gave up after a few days and will just buy the event prizes next year--they'll be dirt cheap by then. Happens every year. rolleyes

eek rofl That is extreme. But they know the cost of doing this and feel they get more benefit from it than it costs them I guess. The benefits are emotional for them.

That's what cons and live cosplay are for! Capes and armor. I've always dressed to please myself and even found a way to be comfortable during the few years I had to wear business suits for a job I had. I do dress for occasions, but function always comes first even then. Even at my own wedding way back when, lol.

All you really need to know to get started is how to use online field guides and apps and what they are. They will tell you the rest and if you have to look up the same things repeatedly cause you can't remember, so what? Google lense is a good place to start; it's free as are most things online. Cornell University has a bunch of different things to use like Merlin for calls and i-bird online for looking stuff up. There's more out there for insects, plants, animals, etc.

I suck with names, I just remember that one right now because a friend of mine brought it up a month ago, recommending it to me and I remembered the movie well. I should see where it's streaming at present. The Big Year. I saw it perhaps 8 years ago or so.

It wasn't so long ago that people believed, including scientists that animals mostly operated on instinct and humans on learning. In truth, all multicellular living things and even a few single cell ones (like slime mold and some fungus) are a mix of learning and instinct. But why are possum of the same species aggressive in the east coast and near the ocean on the west coast but totally peaceful here? Why do deer rarely dart out into traffic here but commonly do on the east coast? Why do squirrels in most places chew through wires in buildings but not here? The exact same species! Instinct doesn't account for that and learning only partly may. Another of nature's mysteries.

Yeah, which is so weird that events are the main reason I kept coming back to gaia. Its like sparing even a little bit on freebies is gonna kill them while they churn out new items every day. Even for events we are more likely to get recolors of old items these days

Ahh...I shall participate anyway when I have more time, but damn, I missed the announcement completely O_O

Its very much so..and my grandparents were even more extreme. I on other hand can just feel a bit guilty and let things go

That is too much effort for just special occasions, I would get one if it becomes daily life thing. What did you do for wedding? Us guys have it easy. I would generally whine about having to wear a tie, but for wedding I can do at least that much

If I ever have kids, I suspect that is what I will have to do, and I imagine the next gen would have it worse than me with remembering these things XD

I have few selected obscure ones that stick along with me, but other than that, I mix up names a hell lot

Usually its a bit of both yeah! Specially if the animal raises their young, but for different behaviors, its again, instincts come from experiences, the 2 groups faced different challenges on each side, ones whose instincts proved helpful in one environment likely just passed those down and we got 2 very different groups. Orcas are quite good example of this.......humans are very good example of this

I miss how fun events used to be. However they do still manage to do one good event a year and have at least some of the prizes be original items for at least one huge event, like Halloween or Christmas ones. I don't keep coming back to Gaia; I never left in the first place, lol. It's proven to be a pretty good place to meet people worth getting to know before they drift off again. A good percentage of people here I've come across in the areas I hang out in are fairly intelligent and thoughtful. And I don't get spammed with bots, misinformation posts, etc. It's interesting that even on Nextdoor with strict TOS the flooding of the stream with total irrelevant crap while thoughtful discussions often get taken down.

No, you didn't. They forgot to make one.

So avoiding guilt is a huge motivator for this I'm suspecting for your parents if they don't do this. Interesting.

Mind you I married well over 40 years ago, but my wedding dress was a clearance rack white prom dress I picked up for just $10 (the equivilant cost in today's dollars would be about $75 and the going cost of a wedding gown these days is somewhere around $5000 and back then about $750 or so by comparison), my shoes were white casual sandals that also were inexpensive and I'd had a long while, the veil a hand me down. I didn't wear heels, pantyhose (very much expected in those days) and only a little makeup; just a bit of eyeshadow and lipstick (that lasted maybe a half hour, not long enough for the wedding photos, lol). I've always been quite nearsighted and in those days there were no thin lenses so my glasses were very thick plastic lenses that darkened in sunlight. And my wedding was outdoors so the bride wore dark glasses, lol! My hair was long at the time and it's very curly. Of course there were no conditioners, dyes or hair spray used. My husband wore a traditional tux that he rented. Oh and my ears never were pierced so no earrings and no nail polish, mascara, eye liner nor foundation. I definitely broke all kinds of traditional wedding fashion that day. Yeah, just wearing a tie is nothing to complain about compared to what women go through.

You'd think with such a good linguistic history, fully literate with a huge vocabulary I wouldn't have problem with names. But I actually think conceptually and visually, not in words. They are an overlay. So I remember the experience and the concept complete with visuals but not the names--those fade. I use language as a bridge to try to share what is not linguistic.

..."instincts come from experiences"... That one gave me pause but then I realized that experience can alter genetics and epigenetics that then get passed down through the generations. Perhaps that is exactly what instincts are; learned lessons of previous generations through millions of years. Some of our instincts go back to the beginning of life. It's quite interesting how the line between learning and instincts are blurred. Remember instincts are inborn knowledge and reactions, not learned by the being using them.

I tried to quit various times, donated all my stuff away twice and thus I am so poor XD Honestly, even if an event is fun, I just dont have time for it these days...and wth...which parts of gaia have you been around at?

I am too sleepy to read properly it seems XD

Its not guilt for them, its kind of responsibility and right thing to do. Guilt is all me for not doing that

Damn! You are so cool! I dont like all that fuss at all. Just thinking about a wedding party is enough to demotivate me

I always found language to be very inadequate and deceptive tool of communication, its just the best form we have at the moment. I've been told that I can write very beautifully, its just not something I am interested in at all. Its confusing how different people can think differently about same thing. I myself find myself thinking differently depending on topics it is, but when recalling experience, you can recall the memories of how it felt to be there, but while describing it, its more of- sky was blue, grass was green XD I struggle with recalling even faces. I hold both grudges and gratitude very deeply, but while I can remember the person was, I cant remember who the person is

True, though some experiences in real time can become part of instincts. Like pavlov's condition therapy for example

I actually started right here in my thread plus a few guilds and threads connected to various games on Gaia that changed over time. The game communities have always been pretty good and generally older. Back in the day, it was Booty Grab (remember that?) plus a charity thread or two, usually run by someone I knew from the gaming community. Lake Kindred took over when BG died. Add a few contest and showcase threads and things rounded out. Threads, guilds and people come and go but there's always somewhere.

Still responsibility, obligation is a far cry from doing it because you truly want to. They feel they must or they're doing something wrong. Hence you feel guilt when you don't, as if you're doing something wrong.

Oh wedding parties and receptions--I have news for you on those. Most often, especially back in the day, the parents have more say than the person getting married. I had to fight to get what I did want, most was picked by my mother and she and I did NOT agree. I got enough though to make my wedding day a memorable one for people who came, even if I didn't know most of them (parent's friends and distant relatives on both sides accounted for 75% of the guests). I'm sure I got judged on my attire but I truly didn't care. I made the rest a bit unusual as well and lots of fun. I still get feedback from people to this day on how much they enjoyed it. That's what happens when you strip all pretensions from things, lol. The year I got married, we went to 8 other weddings. Of those other 8, only one made it. All were big, expensive affairs. Before that year, I had never been to another wedding. I sure have since. And every really big expensive wedding ended in a failed marriage (except 2 and one of the couples financed it themselves) while the more down to earth ones had a better chance of making it.

Sometimes a picture says more than a thousand words, it can say what words never could. But different languages can express things that another language can't. I fell in love with American Sign Language for being so good at describing so many things spoken English could barely name.

If I know someone well, by name for many years, I won't forget that person's name. If it was for a year or so, I'll always remember the first name, but last names may fade after 50 years or so. I don't forget faces even of chance encounters if there was any kind of connection. If an experience was intense enough, I will remember it for life in full detail, even dreams. I once had a very intense dream of a place that was remarkable, painted it a full 8 years later and then to my shock saw it irl a year after I painted it. It was a premonition dream and I didn't know it. I will remember not just the dream scene for life, but the entire time in that region for life. It was back in the early 80s. It was part of an extended trip and had many stops along the way, some with other intense experiences for me so those are also etched in memory for life too. That's just one example; I can share many stories like it.

You're right in that people don't hear what you are saying in the way you are saying it. They're interpreting the meaning through the lense of everything they have going on so the meaning and subtext they're getting may have nothing to do with what you were saying. Yeah, it makes things "interesting" in a way I could so do without... emotion_facepalm

As for faces fading and other details; I have learned to my astonishment that this is the norm. My experiences of remembering are the exception. How people have continuity in their lives like this is a total mystery to me, yet they clearly do. Also what is remembered is heavily edited by the mind to fit an internal narrative and often is far from what happened. And changes whenever the desired narrative changes too. wtf? It's often 90% below the person's awareness unless that person is very manipulative. Then they will be aware they're doing it for a short time before they're sure it was always that way. My mother was and my sister is that kind of person.

Nope, that isn't instinct. It's a learning so deep it becomes reflex, a muscle memory or an autoresponse that bypasses conscious thought. However it can be etched deeply if it was traumatic enough that it can be passed onto future generations via epigenetics. And since it isn't true instinct, it can be unlearned.

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There is much money to be made by taking up a lot of people's time with events; it means they spend more on the site and less in other places. So I expect each game you play will add more and more that will demand your time to play. Except Gaia.....

The Easter Event did start without announcement and it's yet another battle event, ho hum. The prizes are cute but when I came on and discovered it'd begun just a few hours after debut, everyone already had at least 580 hp and of course you enter with just 80 hp so I couldn't find a spot to get started. I gave up after a few days and will just buy the event prizes next year--they'll be dirt cheap by then. Happens every year. rolleyes

eek rofl That is extreme. But they know the cost of doing this and feel they get more benefit from it than it costs them I guess. The benefits are emotional for them.

That's what cons and live cosplay are for! Capes and armor. I've always dressed to please myself and even found a way to be comfortable during the few years I had to wear business suits for a job I had. I do dress for occasions, but function always comes first even then. Even at my own wedding way back when, lol.

All you really need to know to get started is how to use online field guides and apps and what they are. They will tell you the rest and if you have to look up the same things repeatedly cause you can't remember, so what? Google lense is a good place to start; it's free as are most things online. Cornell University has a bunch of different things to use like Merlin for calls and i-bird online for looking stuff up. There's more out there for insects, plants, animals, etc.

I suck with names, I just remember that one right now because a friend of mine brought it up a month ago, recommending it to me and I remembered the movie well. I should see where it's streaming at present. The Big Year. I saw it perhaps 8 years ago or so.

It wasn't so long ago that people believed, including scientists that animals mostly operated on instinct and humans on learning. In truth, all multicellular living things and even a few single cell ones (like slime mold and some fungus) are a mix of learning and instinct. But why are possum of the same species aggressive in the east coast and near the ocean on the west coast but totally peaceful here? Why do deer rarely dart out into traffic here but commonly do on the east coast? Why do squirrels in most places chew through wires in buildings but not here? The exact same species! Instinct doesn't account for that and learning only partly may. Another of nature's mysteries.

Yeah, which is so weird that events are the main reason I kept coming back to gaia. Its like sparing even a little bit on freebies is gonna kill them while they churn out new items every day. Even for events we are more likely to get recolors of old items these days

Ahh...I shall participate anyway when I have more time, but damn, I missed the announcement completely O_O

Its very much so..and my grandparents were even more extreme. I on other hand can just feel a bit guilty and let things go

That is too much effort for just special occasions, I would get one if it becomes daily life thing. What did you do for wedding? Us guys have it easy. I would generally whine about having to wear a tie, but for wedding I can do at least that much

If I ever have kids, I suspect that is what I will have to do, and I imagine the next gen would have it worse than me with remembering these things XD

I have few selected obscure ones that stick along with me, but other than that, I mix up names a hell lot

Usually its a bit of both yeah! Specially if the animal raises their young, but for different behaviors, its again, instincts come from experiences, the 2 groups faced different challenges on each side, ones whose instincts proved helpful in one environment likely just passed those down and we got 2 very different groups. Orcas are quite good example of this.......humans are very good example of this

I miss how fun events used to be. However they do still manage to do one good event a year and have at least some of the prizes be original items for at least one huge event, like Halloween or Christmas ones. I don't keep coming back to Gaia; I never left in the first place, lol. It's proven to be a pretty good place to meet people worth getting to know before they drift off again. A good percentage of people here I've come across in the areas I hang out in are fairly intelligent and thoughtful. And I don't get spammed with bots, misinformation posts, etc. It's interesting that even on Nextdoor with strict TOS the flooding of the stream with total irrelevant crap while thoughtful discussions often get taken down.

No, you didn't. They forgot to make one.

So avoiding guilt is a huge motivator for this I'm suspecting for your parents if they don't do this. Interesting.

Mind you I married well over 40 years ago, but my wedding dress was a clearance rack white prom dress I picked up for just $10 (the equivilant cost in today's dollars would be about $75 and the going cost of a wedding gown these days is somewhere around $5000 and back then about $750 or so by comparison), my shoes were white casual sandals that also were inexpensive and I'd had a long while, the veil a hand me down. I didn't wear heels, pantyhose (very much expected in those days) and only a little makeup; just a bit of eyeshadow and lipstick (that lasted maybe a half hour, not long enough for the wedding photos, lol). I've always been quite nearsighted and in those days there were no thin lenses so my glasses were very thick plastic lenses that darkened in sunlight. And my wedding was outdoors so the bride wore dark glasses, lol! My hair was long at the time and it's very curly. Of course there were no conditioners, dyes or hair spray used. My husband wore a traditional tux that he rented. Oh and my ears never were pierced so no earrings and no nail polish, mascara, eye liner nor foundation. I definitely broke all kinds of traditional wedding fashion that day. Yeah, just wearing a tie is nothing to complain about compared to what women go through.

You'd think with such a good linguistic history, fully literate with a huge vocabulary I wouldn't have problem with names. But I actually think conceptually and visually, not in words. They are an overlay. So I remember the experience and the concept complete with visuals but not the names--those fade. I use language as a bridge to try to share what is not linguistic.

..."instincts come from experiences"... That one gave me pause but then I realized that experience can alter genetics and epigenetics that then get passed down through the generations. Perhaps that is exactly what instincts are; learned lessons of previous generations through millions of years. Some of our instincts go back to the beginning of life. It's quite interesting how the line between learning and instincts are blurred. Remember instincts are inborn knowledge and reactions, not learned by the being using them.

I tried to quit various times, donated all my stuff away twice and thus I am so poor XD Honestly, even if an event is fun, I just dont have time for it these days...and wth...which parts of gaia have you been around at?

I am too sleepy to read properly it seems XD

Its not guilt for them, its kind of responsibility and right thing to do. Guilt is all me for not doing that

Damn! You are so cool! I dont like all that fuss at all. Just thinking about a wedding party is enough to demotivate me

I always found language to be very inadequate and deceptive tool of communication, its just the best form we have at the moment. I've been told that I can write very beautifully, its just not something I am interested in at all. Its confusing how different people can think differently about same thing. I myself find myself thinking differently depending on topics it is, but when recalling experience, you can recall the memories of how it felt to be there, but while describing it, its more of- sky was blue, grass was green XD I struggle with recalling even faces. I hold both grudges and gratitude very deeply, but while I can remember the person was, I cant remember who the person is

True, though some experiences in real time can become part of instincts. Like pavlov's condition therapy for example

I actually started right here in my thread plus a few guilds and threads connected to various games on Gaia that changed over time. The game communities have always been pretty good and generally older. Back in the day, it was Booty Grab (remember that?) plus a charity thread or two, usually run by someone I knew from the gaming community. Lake Kindred took over when BG died. Add a few contest and showcase threads and things rounded out. Threads, guilds and people come and go but there's always somewhere.

Still responsibility, obligation is a far cry from doing it because you truly want to. They feel they must or they're doing something wrong. Hence you feel guilt when you don't, as if you're doing something wrong.

Oh wedding parties and receptions--I have news for you on those. Most often, especially back in the day, the parents have more say than the person getting married. I had to fight to get what I did want, most was picked by my mother and she and I did NOT agree. I got enough though to make my wedding day a memorable one for people who came, even if I didn't know most of them (parent's friends and distant relatives on both sides accounted for 75% of the guests). I'm sure I got judged on my attire but I truly didn't care. I made the rest a bit unusual as well and lots of fun. I still get feedback from people to this day on how much they enjoyed it. That's what happens when you strip all pretensions from things, lol. The year I got married, we went to 8 other weddings. Of those other 8, only one made it. All were big, expensive affairs. Before that year, I had never been to another wedding. I sure have since. And every really big expensive wedding ended in a failed marriage (except 2 and one of the couples financed it themselves) while the more down to earth ones had a better chance of making it.

Sometimes a picture says more than a thousand words, it can say what words never could. But different languages can express things that another language can't. I fell in love with American Sign Language for being so good at describing so many things spoken English could barely name.

If I know someone well, by name for many years, I won't forget that person's name. If it was for a year or so, I'll always remember the first name, but last names may fade after 50 years or so. I don't forget faces even of chance encounters if there was any kind of connection. If an experience was intense enough, I will remember it for life in full detail, even dreams. I once had a very intense dream of a place that was remarkable, painted it a full 8 years later and then to my shock saw it irl a year after I painted it. It was a premonition dream and I didn't know it. I will remember not just the dream scene for life, but the entire time in that region for life. It was back in the early 80s. It was part of an extended trip and had many stops along the way, some with other intense experiences for me so those are also etched in memory for life too. That's just one example; I can share many stories like it.

You're right in that people don't hear what you are saying in the way you are saying it. They're interpreting the meaning through the lense of everything they have going on so the meaning and subtext they're getting may have nothing to do with what you were saying. Yeah, it makes things "interesting" in a way I could so do without... emotion_facepalm

As for faces fading and other details; I have learned to my astonishment that this is the norm. My experiences of remembering are the exception. How people have continuity in their lives like this is a total mystery to me, yet they clearly do. Also what is remembered is heavily edited by the mind to fit an internal narrative and often is far from what happened. And changes whenever the desired narrative changes too. wtf? It's often 90% below the person's awareness unless that person is very manipulative. Then they will be aware they're doing it for a short time before they're sure it was always that way. My mother was and my sister is that kind of person.

Nope, that isn't instinct. It's a learning so deep it becomes reflex, a muscle memory or an autoresponse that bypasses conscious thought. However it can be etched deeply if it was traumatic enough that it can be passed onto future generations via epigenetics. And since it isn't true instinct, it can be unlearned.

Oh yeah, I remember that, though I mostly hung around in rally at those times. My first big break was zOmg and then Lake Kindred. Both made me extremely wealthy at the time. At first I didnt even have a lot to quest. I just wanted all equippable hair items and all equippable eyes, so like elemental hair, oculus magica, etc.

I agree with them, its the right thing to do, just because sometimes people would take advantage of you, does not mean that you should not do the right thing. Even if your enemy shows up at your door, you should feed him, I believe in all that and would like to do that............its just so annoying! I dont want to talk to strangers so much, so I would rather they move away quickly XD

Yeah, I get you, if I get married, I think my parents would make it a big expensive thing and I wont have much of say in it. Anyone whom they ever knew would be invited

I so want to learn sign language and you are absolutely right about different languages having words that just cant translate well at all. Its one of the biggest reasons why I want to learn about every language in the world, right behind wanting to read stories and listen to songs without them being translated and understanding them

I wish I had memory like yours. I've forgotten my own name once. And damn!! That dream is almost supernatural kind of thing O__O I dont remember mine at all upon waking up, with a few rare exceptions

Yeah! Plus to me it feels like I am never doing a good job explaining what I mean to say

Have you ever had a dream where you were a completely different person with different life and attitude, you just land into that person's skin running, doing things the way they always do and think how they think. I think our day to day life is like that too, we dont have any continuity in our lives, we just roll with it as thats normal. As you said, these things are heavily edited by our mind, I often wonder how much it is so

Hmm....as a human I dont think I have any instincts strong enough that I cant reason through them or unlearn them. That makes things a bit confusing for me

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There is much money to be made by taking up a lot of people's time with events; it means they spend more on the site and less in other places. So I expect each game you play will add more and more that will demand your time to play. Except Gaia.....

The Easter Event did start without announcement and it's yet another battle event, ho hum. The prizes are cute but when I came on and discovered it'd begun just a few hours after debut, everyone already had at least 580 hp and of course you enter with just 80 hp so I couldn't find a spot to get started. I gave up after a few days and will just buy the event prizes next year--they'll be dirt cheap by then. Happens every year. rolleyes

eek rofl That is extreme. But they know the cost of doing this and feel they get more benefit from it than it costs them I guess. The benefits are emotional for them.

That's what cons and live cosplay are for! Capes and armor. I've always dressed to please myself and even found a way to be comfortable during the few years I had to wear business suits for a job I had. I do dress for occasions, but function always comes first even then. Even at my own wedding way back when, lol.

All you really need to know to get started is how to use online field guides and apps and what they are. They will tell you the rest and if you have to look up the same things repeatedly cause you can't remember, so what? Google lense is a good place to start; it's free as are most things online. Cornell University has a bunch of different things to use like Merlin for calls and i-bird online for looking stuff up. There's more out there for insects, plants, animals, etc.

I suck with names, I just remember that one right now because a friend of mine brought it up a month ago, recommending it to me and I remembered the movie well. I should see where it's streaming at present. The Big Year. I saw it perhaps 8 years ago or so.

It wasn't so long ago that people believed, including scientists that animals mostly operated on instinct and humans on learning. In truth, all multicellular living things and even a few single cell ones (like slime mold and some fungus) are a mix of learning and instinct. But why are possum of the same species aggressive in the east coast and near the ocean on the west coast but totally peaceful here? Why do deer rarely dart out into traffic here but commonly do on the east coast? Why do squirrels in most places chew through wires in buildings but not here? The exact same species! Instinct doesn't account for that and learning only partly may. Another of nature's mysteries.

Yeah, which is so weird that events are the main reason I kept coming back to gaia. Its like sparing even a little bit on freebies is gonna kill them while they churn out new items every day. Even for events we are more likely to get recolors of old items these days

Ahh...I shall participate anyway when I have more time, but damn, I missed the announcement completely O_O

Its very much so..and my grandparents were even more extreme. I on other hand can just feel a bit guilty and let things go

That is too much effort for just special occasions, I would get one if it becomes daily life thing. What did you do for wedding? Us guys have it easy. I would generally whine about having to wear a tie, but for wedding I can do at least that much

If I ever have kids, I suspect that is what I will have to do, and I imagine the next gen would have it worse than me with remembering these things XD

I have few selected obscure ones that stick along with me, but other than that, I mix up names a hell lot

Usually its a bit of both yeah! Specially if the animal raises their young, but for different behaviors, its again, instincts come from experiences, the 2 groups faced different challenges on each side, ones whose instincts proved helpful in one environment likely just passed those down and we got 2 very different groups. Orcas are quite good example of this.......humans are very good example of this

I miss how fun events used to be. However they do still manage to do one good event a year and have at least some of the prizes be original items for at least one huge event, like Halloween or Christmas ones. I don't keep coming back to Gaia; I never left in the first place, lol. It's proven to be a pretty good place to meet people worth getting to know before they drift off again. A good percentage of people here I've come across in the areas I hang out in are fairly intelligent and thoughtful. And I don't get spammed with bots, misinformation posts, etc. It's interesting that even on Nextdoor with strict TOS the flooding of the stream with total irrelevant crap while thoughtful discussions often get taken down.

No, you didn't. They forgot to make one.

So avoiding guilt is a huge motivator for this I'm suspecting for your parents if they don't do this. Interesting.

Mind you I married well over 40 years ago, but my wedding dress was a clearance rack white prom dress I picked up for just $10 (the equivilant cost in today's dollars would be about $75 and the going cost of a wedding gown these days is somewhere around $5000 and back then about $750 or so by comparison), my shoes were white casual sandals that also were inexpensive and I'd had a long while, the veil a hand me down. I didn't wear heels, pantyhose (very much expected in those days) and only a little makeup; just a bit of eyeshadow and lipstick (that lasted maybe a half hour, not long enough for the wedding photos, lol). I've always been quite nearsighted and in those days there were no thin lenses so my glasses were very thick plastic lenses that darkened in sunlight. And my wedding was outdoors so the bride wore dark glasses, lol! My hair was long at the time and it's very curly. Of course there were no conditioners, dyes or hair spray used. My husband wore a traditional tux that he rented. Oh and my ears never were pierced so no earrings and no nail polish, mascara, eye liner nor foundation. I definitely broke all kinds of traditional wedding fashion that day. Yeah, just wearing a tie is nothing to complain about compared to what women go through.

You'd think with such a good linguistic history, fully literate with a huge vocabulary I wouldn't have problem with names. But I actually think conceptually and visually, not in words. They are an overlay. So I remember the experience and the concept complete with visuals but not the names--those fade. I use language as a bridge to try to share what is not linguistic.

..."instincts come from experiences"... That one gave me pause but then I realized that experience can alter genetics and epigenetics that then get passed down through the generations. Perhaps that is exactly what instincts are; learned lessons of previous generations through millions of years. Some of our instincts go back to the beginning of life. It's quite interesting how the line between learning and instincts are blurred. Remember instincts are inborn knowledge and reactions, not learned by the being using them.

I tried to quit various times, donated all my stuff away twice and thus I am so poor XD Honestly, even if an event is fun, I just dont have time for it these days...and wth...which parts of gaia have you been around at?

I am too sleepy to read properly it seems XD

Its not guilt for them, its kind of responsibility and right thing to do. Guilt is all me for not doing that

Damn! You are so cool! I dont like all that fuss at all. Just thinking about a wedding party is enough to demotivate me

I always found language to be very inadequate and deceptive tool of communication, its just the best form we have at the moment. I've been told that I can write very beautifully, its just not something I am interested in at all. Its confusing how different people can think differently about same thing. I myself find myself thinking differently depending on topics it is, but when recalling experience, you can recall the memories of how it felt to be there, but while describing it, its more of- sky was blue, grass was green XD I struggle with recalling even faces. I hold both grudges and gratitude very deeply, but while I can remember the person was, I cant remember who the person is

True, though some experiences in real time can become part of instincts. Like pavlov's condition therapy for example

I actually started right here in my thread plus a few guilds and threads connected to various games on Gaia that changed over time. The game communities have always been pretty good and generally older. Back in the day, it was Booty Grab (remember that?) plus a charity thread or two, usually run by someone I knew from the gaming community. Lake Kindred took over when BG died. Add a few contest and showcase threads and things rounded out. Threads, guilds and people come and go but there's always somewhere.

Still responsibility, obligation is a far cry from doing it because you truly want to. They feel they must or they're doing something wrong. Hence you feel guilt when you don't, as if you're doing something wrong.

Oh wedding parties and receptions--I have news for you on those. Most often, especially back in the day, the parents have more say than the person getting married. I had to fight to get what I did want, most was picked by my mother and she and I did NOT agree. I got enough though to make my wedding day a memorable one for people who came, even if I didn't know most of them (parent's friends and distant relatives on both sides accounted for 75% of the guests). I'm sure I got judged on my attire but I truly didn't care. I made the rest a bit unusual as well and lots of fun. I still get feedback from people to this day on how much they enjoyed it. That's what happens when you strip all pretensions from things, lol. The year I got married, we went to 8 other weddings. Of those other 8, only one made it. All were big, expensive affairs. Before that year, I had never been to another wedding. I sure have since. And every really big expensive wedding ended in a failed marriage (except 2 and one of the couples financed it themselves) while the more down to earth ones had a better chance of making it.

Sometimes a picture says more than a thousand words, it can say what words never could. But different languages can express things that another language can't. I fell in love with American Sign Language for being so good at describing so many things spoken English could barely name.

If I know someone well, by name for many years, I won't forget that person's name. If it was for a year or so, I'll always remember the first name, but last names may fade after 50 years or so. I don't forget faces even of chance encounters if there was any kind of connection. If an experience was intense enough, I will remember it for life in full detail, even dreams. I once had a very intense dream of a place that was remarkable, painted it a full 8 years later and then to my shock saw it irl a year after I painted it. It was a premonition dream and I didn't know it. I will remember not just the dream scene for life, but the entire time in that region for life. It was back in the early 80s. It was part of an extended trip and had many stops along the way, some with other intense experiences for me so those are also etched in memory for life too. That's just one example; I can share many stories like it.

You're right in that people don't hear what you are saying in the way you are saying it. They're interpreting the meaning through the lense of everything they have going on so the meaning and subtext they're getting may have nothing to do with what you were saying. Yeah, it makes things "interesting" in a way I could so do without... emotion_facepalm

As for faces fading and other details; I have learned to my astonishment that this is the norm. My experiences of remembering are the exception. How people have continuity in their lives like this is a total mystery to me, yet they clearly do. Also what is remembered is heavily edited by the mind to fit an internal narrative and often is far from what happened. And changes whenever the desired narrative changes too. wtf? It's often 90% below the person's awareness unless that person is very manipulative. Then they will be aware they're doing it for a short time before they're sure it was always that way. My mother was and my sister is that kind of person.

Nope, that isn't instinct. It's a learning so deep it becomes reflex, a muscle memory or an autoresponse that bypasses conscious thought. However it can be etched deeply if it was traumatic enough that it can be passed onto future generations via epigenetics. And since it isn't true instinct, it can be unlearned.

Oh yeah, I remember that, though I mostly hung around in rally at those times. My first big break was zOmg and then Lake Kindred. Both made me extremely wealthy at the time. At first I didnt even have a lot to quest. I just wanted all equippable hair items and all equippable eyes, so like elemental hair, oculus magica, etc.

I agree with them, its the right thing to do, just because sometimes people would take advantage of you, does not mean that you should not do the right thing. Even if your enemy shows up at your door, you should feed him, I believe in all that and would like to do that............its just so annoying! I dont want to talk to strangers so much, so I would rather they move away quickly XD

Yeah, I get you, if I get married, I think my parents would make it a big expensive thing and I wont have much of say in it. Anyone whom they ever knew would be invited

I so want to learn sign language and you are absolutely right about different languages having words that just cant translate well at all. Its one of the biggest reasons why I want to learn about every language in the world, right behind wanting to read stories and listen to songs without them being translated and understanding them

I wish I had memory like yours. I've forgotten my own name once. And damn!! That dream is almost supernatural kind of thing O__O I dont remember mine at all upon waking up, with a few rare exceptions

Yeah! Plus to me it feels like I am never doing a good job explaining what I mean to say

Have you ever had a dream where you were a completely different person with different life and attitude, you just land into that person's skin running, doing things the way they always do and think how they think. I think our day to day life is like that too, we dont have any continuity in our lives, we just roll with it as thats normal. As you said, these things are heavily edited by our mind, I often wonder how much it is so

Hmm....as a human I dont think I have any instincts strong enough that I cant reason through them or unlearn them. That makes things a bit confusing for me

Oh yeah, back in the day zOmg had as big and vibrant community as any ever seen on Gaia, encouraged by people needing to play in teams. What was the draw in Rally? As far as I could tell, it was much the same as wandering towns and having insanely inane talks with strangers, lol. OK, that was and is quite the ambition, given that the majority of items out there have either or both hair and eye poses. Yep, you do need to earn that plat to do so.

I always do what I feel is the right thing. But I don't do it out of obligation but rather because I genuinely want to, no threat of guilt needed. And I decide what is right; it is not an expectation imposed. Your family feeding anyone who drops by is a family tradition though and likely one none of you resents doing. If you ever feel put upon or resentful, that's when you know it's an obligation and not giving from the heart.

Oh yeah, you have that right. I think a child's wedding is a bigger deal for parents and grandparents than it is for the person getting married. In such cases, if you succeed in getting your tastes and preferences in the mix somewhere is a huge win.

I'd love to do all of that too. However being able to draw and paint also goes a long ways to bridging the language gap sometimes, especially with original ideas. I'm amazed though that even languages with little English in the mix can be understood because modern idioms are so similar or even exact language to language. There are also many languages that have enough common history and base with English that they can be half understood at the start and so fairly quickly learned, like many Nordic languages. It's kind of fascinating.

I think that's why people journal, blog or otherwise find a way to record thoughts and memories; they help with remembering and continuity, so memories shifted, changed or faded can be recalled. Plus the very act of recording helps to cross reference memories in the brain so they are not so easily forgotten. So double win and something for you to consider. Even with my unusual memory, I find stuff done when I was under 20 to be useful to recall memories in more detail, even stuff half forgotten and stuff never forgotten but reliving precious memories is it's own reward, triggered by those.

Premonition and I are old friends.... I have had a few dream ones; those are always long term ones. But I have had thousands of smaller waking ones in many forms. So of course I had a great interest in physics, the nature of time and have had periods considering nonlinear time and free will; both exist but how? I don't consider abilities sensing completely in this universe supernatural, like the ability to sense time out of order or life energy and the energy it contains.

There is an art to that, one I am still learning. Stating fact is never enough; the layers under it are needed from emotional, to historical, how you got there. What is obvious to me is rarely to another person and that may be the case for you too. Plus people hear and see through the filter of their bias and expectations.

Yes, I have had dreams like that; I do tend to remember those. Is that how it is for most people in their waking lives? I'm going to have to explore that idea for a time I think.

Pay attention to those vivid dreams you do remember; if they don't fade it means they contain important information. Nightmares count too; it's your subconscious trying to get you to see something. Too bad they're so rarely literal.

While I remember a few dreams nightly, only a tiny portion of those are remembered for more than a few hours and some for a few days. Maybe 5% remain vivid for years or life. Most dreams are pretty inconsequential.

Here are two common examples; the flight/fight response, done before thinking is engaged, and the startle reflex. Think of common responses newborn have before any learning has taken place; those behaviors are inborn, instinctual. Awareness, learning and experience modify instinctual responses of course.

Speaking of behaviors, spring avian aggression goes on. The scrub jays are done, and now mockingbirds, an even more aggressive species are nesting on my property and they drove the scrub jays away. On our walk in the nature preserve we had to observe most birds at a distance because redwing blackbirds had nests throughout the area along the paths in the reeds and wild mustard and they were driving away everything except a tiny very nonagressive bird called a killdeer. We watched them drive away much larger crows, turkey vultures, great egrets and even hawks; usually males teaming up to do so against birds so much larger than they are. One tried to convince people to leave without success. He landed in a tree right in front of us at eye level and proceeded to lecture us in full song, while other males swooped us (no dive bombing though). We just stopped and my husband took dozens of pictures of him while he was doing this, lmao. This went on while he tried to look threatening until another guy came down the path from the other direction. The bird flew off frustrated and disgusted at oblivious humans. rofl Then all the males ignored us after that and we saw quite a few females out and about. I guess the flock felt it was safe enough.

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I miss how fun events used to be. However they do still manage to do one good event a year and have at least some of the prizes be original items for at least one huge event, like Halloween or Christmas ones. I don't keep coming back to Gaia; I never left in the first place, lol. It's proven to be a pretty good place to meet people worth getting to know before they drift off again. A good percentage of people here I've come across in the areas I hang out in are fairly intelligent and thoughtful. And I don't get spammed with bots, misinformation posts, etc. It's interesting that even on Nextdoor with strict TOS the flooding of the stream with total irrelevant crap while thoughtful discussions often get taken down.

No, you didn't. They forgot to make one.

So avoiding guilt is a huge motivator for this I'm suspecting for your parents if they don't do this. Interesting.

Mind you I married well over 40 years ago, but my wedding dress was a clearance rack white prom dress I picked up for just $10 (the equivilant cost in today's dollars would be about $75 and the going cost of a wedding gown these days is somewhere around $5000 and back then about $750 or so by comparison), my shoes were white casual sandals that also were inexpensive and I'd had a long while, the veil a hand me down. I didn't wear heels, pantyhose (very much expected in those days) and only a little makeup; just a bit of eyeshadow and lipstick (that lasted maybe a half hour, not long enough for the wedding photos, lol). I've always been quite nearsighted and in those days there were no thin lenses so my glasses were very thick plastic lenses that darkened in sunlight. And my wedding was outdoors so the bride wore dark glasses, lol! My hair was long at the time and it's very curly. Of course there were no conditioners, dyes or hair spray used. My husband wore a traditional tux that he rented. Oh and my ears never were pierced so no earrings and no nail polish, mascara, eye liner nor foundation. I definitely broke all kinds of traditional wedding fashion that day. Yeah, just wearing a tie is nothing to complain about compared to what women go through.

You'd think with such a good linguistic history, fully literate with a huge vocabulary I wouldn't have problem with names. But I actually think conceptually and visually, not in words. They are an overlay. So I remember the experience and the concept complete with visuals but not the names--those fade. I use language as a bridge to try to share what is not linguistic.

..."instincts come from experiences"... That one gave me pause but then I realized that experience can alter genetics and epigenetics that then get passed down through the generations. Perhaps that is exactly what instincts are; learned lessons of previous generations through millions of years. Some of our instincts go back to the beginning of life. It's quite interesting how the line between learning and instincts are blurred. Remember instincts are inborn knowledge and reactions, not learned by the being using them.

I tried to quit various times, donated all my stuff away twice and thus I am so poor XD Honestly, even if an event is fun, I just dont have time for it these days...and wth...which parts of gaia have you been around at?

I am too sleepy to read properly it seems XD

Its not guilt for them, its kind of responsibility and right thing to do. Guilt is all me for not doing that

Damn! You are so cool! I dont like all that fuss at all. Just thinking about a wedding party is enough to demotivate me

I always found language to be very inadequate and deceptive tool of communication, its just the best form we have at the moment. I've been told that I can write very beautifully, its just not something I am interested in at all. Its confusing how different people can think differently about same thing. I myself find myself thinking differently depending on topics it is, but when recalling experience, you can recall the memories of how it felt to be there, but while describing it, its more of- sky was blue, grass was green XD I struggle with recalling even faces. I hold both grudges and gratitude very deeply, but while I can remember the person was, I cant remember who the person is

True, though some experiences in real time can become part of instincts. Like pavlov's condition therapy for example

I actually started right here in my thread plus a few guilds and threads connected to various games on Gaia that changed over time. The game communities have always been pretty good and generally older. Back in the day, it was Booty Grab (remember that?) plus a charity thread or two, usually run by someone I knew from the gaming community. Lake Kindred took over when BG died. Add a few contest and showcase threads and things rounded out. Threads, guilds and people come and go but there's always somewhere.

Still responsibility, obligation is a far cry from doing it because you truly want to. They feel they must or they're doing something wrong. Hence you feel guilt when you don't, as if you're doing something wrong.

Oh wedding parties and receptions--I have news for you on those. Most often, especially back in the day, the parents have more say than the person getting married. I had to fight to get what I did want, most was picked by my mother and she and I did NOT agree. I got enough though to make my wedding day a memorable one for people who came, even if I didn't know most of them (parent's friends and distant relatives on both sides accounted for 75% of the guests). I'm sure I got judged on my attire but I truly didn't care. I made the rest a bit unusual as well and lots of fun. I still get feedback from people to this day on how much they enjoyed it. That's what happens when you strip all pretensions from things, lol. The year I got married, we went to 8 other weddings. Of those other 8, only one made it. All were big, expensive affairs. Before that year, I had never been to another wedding. I sure have since. And every really big expensive wedding ended in a failed marriage (except 2 and one of the couples financed it themselves) while the more down to earth ones had a better chance of making it.

Sometimes a picture says more than a thousand words, it can say what words never could. But different languages can express things that another language can't. I fell in love with American Sign Language for being so good at describing so many things spoken English could barely name.

If I know someone well, by name for many years, I won't forget that person's name. If it was for a year or so, I'll always remember the first name, but last names may fade after 50 years or so. I don't forget faces even of chance encounters if there was any kind of connection. If an experience was intense enough, I will remember it for life in full detail, even dreams. I once had a very intense dream of a place that was remarkable, painted it a full 8 years later and then to my shock saw it irl a year after I painted it. It was a premonition dream and I didn't know it. I will remember not just the dream scene for life, but the entire time in that region for life. It was back in the early 80s. It was part of an extended trip and had many stops along the way, some with other intense experiences for me so those are also etched in memory for life too. That's just one example; I can share many stories like it.

You're right in that people don't hear what you are saying in the way you are saying it. They're interpreting the meaning through the lense of everything they have going on so the meaning and subtext they're getting may have nothing to do with what you were saying. Yeah, it makes things "interesting" in a way I could so do without... emotion_facepalm

As for faces fading and other details; I have learned to my astonishment that this is the norm. My experiences of remembering are the exception. How people have continuity in their lives like this is a total mystery to me, yet they clearly do. Also what is remembered is heavily edited by the mind to fit an internal narrative and often is far from what happened. And changes whenever the desired narrative changes too. wtf? It's often 90% below the person's awareness unless that person is very manipulative. Then they will be aware they're doing it for a short time before they're sure it was always that way. My mother was and my sister is that kind of person.

Nope, that isn't instinct. It's a learning so deep it becomes reflex, a muscle memory or an autoresponse that bypasses conscious thought. However it can be etched deeply if it was traumatic enough that it can be passed onto future generations via epigenetics. And since it isn't true instinct, it can be unlearned.

Oh yeah, I remember that, though I mostly hung around in rally at those times. My first big break was zOmg and then Lake Kindred. Both made me extremely wealthy at the time. At first I didnt even have a lot to quest. I just wanted all equippable hair items and all equippable eyes, so like elemental hair, oculus magica, etc.

I agree with them, its the right thing to do, just because sometimes people would take advantage of you, does not mean that you should not do the right thing. Even if your enemy shows up at your door, you should feed him, I believe in all that and would like to do that............its just so annoying! I dont want to talk to strangers so much, so I would rather they move away quickly XD

Yeah, I get you, if I get married, I think my parents would make it a big expensive thing and I wont have much of say in it. Anyone whom they ever knew would be invited

I so want to learn sign language and you are absolutely right about different languages having words that just cant translate well at all. Its one of the biggest reasons why I want to learn about every language in the world, right behind wanting to read stories and listen to songs without them being translated and understanding them

I wish I had memory like yours. I've forgotten my own name once. And damn!! That dream is almost supernatural kind of thing O__O I dont remember mine at all upon waking up, with a few rare exceptions

Yeah! Plus to me it feels like I am never doing a good job explaining what I mean to say

Have you ever had a dream where you were a completely different person with different life and attitude, you just land into that person's skin running, doing things the way they always do and think how they think. I think our day to day life is like that too, we dont have any continuity in our lives, we just roll with it as thats normal. As you said, these things are heavily edited by our mind, I often wonder how much it is so

Hmm....as a human I dont think I have any instincts strong enough that I cant reason through them or unlearn them. That makes things a bit confusing for me

Oh yeah, back in the day zOmg had as big and vibrant community as any ever seen on Gaia, encouraged by people needing to play in teams. What was the draw in Rally? As far as I could tell, it was much the same as wandering towns and having insanely inane talks with strangers, lol. OK, that was and is quite the ambition, given that the majority of items out there have either or both hair and eye poses. Yep, you do need to earn that plat to do so.

I always do what I feel is the right thing. But I don't do it out of obligation but rather because I genuinely want to, no threat of guilt needed. And I decide what is right; it is not an expectation imposed. Your family feeding anyone who drops by is a family tradition though and likely one none of you resents doing. If you ever feel put upon or resentful, that's when you know it's an obligation and not giving from the heart.

Oh yeah, you have that right. I think a child's wedding is a bigger deal for parents and grandparents than it is for the person getting married. In such cases, if you succeed in getting your tastes and preferences in the mix somewhere is a huge win.

I'd love to do all of that too. However being able to draw and paint also goes a long ways to bridging the language gap sometimes, especially with original ideas. I'm amazed though that even languages with little English in the mix can be understood because modern idioms are so similar or even exact language to language. There are also many languages that have enough common history and base with English that they can be half understood at the start and so fairly quickly learned, like many Nordic languages. It's kind of fascinating.

I think that's why people journal, blog or otherwise find a way to record thoughts and memories; they help with remembering and continuity, so memories shifted, changed or faded can be recalled. Plus the very act of recording helps to cross reference memories in the brain so they are not so easily forgotten. So double win and something for you to consider. Even with my unusual memory, I find stuff done when I was under 20 to be useful to recall memories in more detail, even stuff half forgotten and stuff never forgotten but reliving precious memories is it's own reward, triggered by those.

Premonition and I are old friends.... I have had a few dream ones; those are always long term ones. But I have had thousands of smaller waking ones in many forms. So of course I had a great interest in physics, the nature of time and have had periods considering nonlinear time and free will; both exist but how? I don't consider abilities sensing completely in this universe supernatural, like the ability to sense time out of order or life energy and the energy it contains.

There is an art to that, one I am still learning. Stating fact is never enough; the layers under it are needed from emotional, to historical, how you got there. What is obvious to me is rarely to another person and that may be the case for you too. Plus people hear and see through the filter of their bias and expectations.

Yes, I have had dreams like that; I do tend to remember those. Is that how it is for most people in their waking lives? I'm going to have to explore that idea for a time I think.

Pay attention to those vivid dreams you do remember; if they don't fade it means they contain important information. Nightmares count too; it's your subconscious trying to get you to see something. Too bad they're so rarely literal.

While I remember a few dreams nightly, only a tiny portion of those are remembered for more than a few hours and some for a few days. Maybe 5% remain vivid for years or life. Most dreams are pretty inconsequential.

Here are two common examples; the flight/fight response, done before thinking is engaged, and the startle reflex. Think of common responses newborn have before any learning has taken place; those behaviors are inborn, instinctual. Awareness, learning and experience modify instinctual responses of course.

Speaking of behaviors, spring avian aggression goes on. The scrub jays are done, and now mockingbirds, an even more aggressive species are nesting on my property and they drove the scrub jays away. On our walk in the nature preserve we had to observe most birds at a distance because redwing blackbirds had nests throughout the area along the paths in the reeds and wild mustard and they were driving away everything except a tiny very nonagressive bird called a killdeer. We watched them drive away much larger crows, turkey vultures, great egrets and even hawks; usually males teaming up to do so against birds so much larger than they are. One tried to convince people to leave without success. He landed in a tree right in front of us at eye level and proceeded to lecture us in full song, while other males swooped us (no dive bombing though). We just stopped and my husband took dozens of pictures of him while he was doing this, lmao. This went on while he tried to look threatening until another guy came down the path from the other direction. The bird flew off frustrated and disgusted at oblivious humans. rofl Then all the males ignored us after that and we saw quite a few females out and about. I guess the flock felt it was safe enough.

For rally there wasnt much, it was an easy game and I was good enough at it to win items by racing. Early gaia didnt have that many options and I was more interested in games than chatting

I only have issue when I have to go interact with people, otherwise if someone else in my home is getting the task done then I totally support it razz

Yup! Specially being an only child its too much. And people really love my parents so no one would miss it

I never was good enough to convey my headspace to canvas well, but yeah, artists can communicate their emotions better like that. Its amazing how some language stuff exists throughout, both through common root and historical intermixing, stories too!

I often look at my old stuff and cringe. I am always like- Good job forgetting it brain XD

I think my dreams on other hand are not very likely to come true. From what I remember, my dreams are always grand action packed adventures. I am good at predicting general direction with my waking mind but life usually has uncertainty to it

Biases play too big of role and some people are always there to interpret things the wrong way only, but I need to work on my communication skills too. I can get a bit rambley trying to explain myself and cause even more confusion

Mostly we dont think about past much, for day to day life the schedule matters so much that there is not much point in questioning things

Again, my dreams are mostly grand adventures not possible irl. Dinosaurs, ghosts, aliens, stuff like those. I remember having done stuff in those, but none remained with me that long

Hmm, but if things like experience can modify instinctual responses then cant we say that instincts got modified too?

Killdeer is a crazy name for a bird! No wonder they werent scared away by aggressive ones, they got reputation. Others were like- Tsk...I dont want to mess with crazies and Killdeer was like- go ahead, try me! I guess they figured out that you were just crossing their territory not encroaching upon it

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I miss how fun events used to be. However they do still manage to do one good event a year and have at least some of the prizes be original items for at least one huge event, like Halloween or Christmas ones. I don't keep coming back to Gaia; I never left in the first place, lol. It's proven to be a pretty good place to meet people worth getting to know before they drift off again. A good percentage of people here I've come across in the areas I hang out in are fairly intelligent and thoughtful. And I don't get spammed with bots, misinformation posts, etc. It's interesting that even on Nextdoor with strict TOS the flooding of the stream with total irrelevant crap while thoughtful discussions often get taken down.

No, you didn't. They forgot to make one.

So avoiding guilt is a huge motivator for this I'm suspecting for your parents if they don't do this. Interesting.

Mind you I married well over 40 years ago, but my wedding dress was a clearance rack white prom dress I picked up for just $10 (the equivilant cost in today's dollars would be about $75 and the going cost of a wedding gown these days is somewhere around $5000 and back then about $750 or so by comparison), my shoes were white casual sandals that also were inexpensive and I'd had a long while, the veil a hand me down. I didn't wear heels, pantyhose (very much expected in those days) and only a little makeup; just a bit of eyeshadow and lipstick (that lasted maybe a half hour, not long enough for the wedding photos, lol). I've always been quite nearsighted and in those days there were no thin lenses so my glasses were very thick plastic lenses that darkened in sunlight. And my wedding was outdoors so the bride wore dark glasses, lol! My hair was long at the time and it's very curly. Of course there were no conditioners, dyes or hair spray used. My husband wore a traditional tux that he rented. Oh and my ears never were pierced so no earrings and no nail polish, mascara, eye liner nor foundation. I definitely broke all kinds of traditional wedding fashion that day. Yeah, just wearing a tie is nothing to complain about compared to what women go through.

You'd think with such a good linguistic history, fully literate with a huge vocabulary I wouldn't have problem with names. But I actually think conceptually and visually, not in words. They are an overlay. So I remember the experience and the concept complete with visuals but not the names--those fade. I use language as a bridge to try to share what is not linguistic.

..."instincts come from experiences"... That one gave me pause but then I realized that experience can alter genetics and epigenetics that then get passed down through the generations. Perhaps that is exactly what instincts are; learned lessons of previous generations through millions of years. Some of our instincts go back to the beginning of life. It's quite interesting how the line between learning and instincts are blurred. Remember instincts are inborn knowledge and reactions, not learned by the being using them.

I tried to quit various times, donated all my stuff away twice and thus I am so poor XD Honestly, even if an event is fun, I just dont have time for it these days...and wth...which parts of gaia have you been around at?

I am too sleepy to read properly it seems XD

Its not guilt for them, its kind of responsibility and right thing to do. Guilt is all me for not doing that

Damn! You are so cool! I dont like all that fuss at all. Just thinking about a wedding party is enough to demotivate me

I always found language to be very inadequate and deceptive tool of communication, its just the best form we have at the moment. I've been told that I can write very beautifully, its just not something I am interested in at all. Its confusing how different people can think differently about same thing. I myself find myself thinking differently depending on topics it is, but when recalling experience, you can recall the memories of how it felt to be there, but while describing it, its more of- sky was blue, grass was green XD I struggle with recalling even faces. I hold both grudges and gratitude very deeply, but while I can remember the person was, I cant remember who the person is

True, though some experiences in real time can become part of instincts. Like pavlov's condition therapy for example

I actually started right here in my thread plus a few guilds and threads connected to various games on Gaia that changed over time. The game communities have always been pretty good and generally older. Back in the day, it was Booty Grab (remember that?) plus a charity thread or two, usually run by someone I knew from the gaming community. Lake Kindred took over when BG died. Add a few contest and showcase threads and things rounded out. Threads, guilds and people come and go but there's always somewhere.

Still responsibility, obligation is a far cry from doing it because you truly want to. They feel they must or they're doing something wrong. Hence you feel guilt when you don't, as if you're doing something wrong.

Oh wedding parties and receptions--I have news for you on those. Most often, especially back in the day, the parents have more say than the person getting married. I had to fight to get what I did want, most was picked by my mother and she and I did NOT agree. I got enough though to make my wedding day a memorable one for people who came, even if I didn't know most of them (parent's friends and distant relatives on both sides accounted for 75% of the guests). I'm sure I got judged on my attire but I truly didn't care. I made the rest a bit unusual as well and lots of fun. I still get feedback from people to this day on how much they enjoyed it. That's what happens when you strip all pretensions from things, lol. The year I got married, we went to 8 other weddings. Of those other 8, only one made it. All were big, expensive affairs. Before that year, I had never been to another wedding. I sure have since. And every really big expensive wedding ended in a failed marriage (except 2 and one of the couples financed it themselves) while the more down to earth ones had a better chance of making it.

Sometimes a picture says more than a thousand words, it can say what words never could. But different languages can express things that another language can't. I fell in love with American Sign Language for being so good at describing so many things spoken English could barely name.

If I know someone well, by name for many years, I won't forget that person's name. If it was for a year or so, I'll always remember the first name, but last names may fade after 50 years or so. I don't forget faces even of chance encounters if there was any kind of connection. If an experience was intense enough, I will remember it for life in full detail, even dreams. I once had a very intense dream of a place that was remarkable, painted it a full 8 years later and then to my shock saw it irl a year after I painted it. It was a premonition dream and I didn't know it. I will remember not just the dream scene for life, but the entire time in that region for life. It was back in the early 80s. It was part of an extended trip and had many stops along the way, some with other intense experiences for me so those are also etched in memory for life too. That's just one example; I can share many stories like it.

You're right in that people don't hear what you are saying in the way you are saying it. They're interpreting the meaning through the lense of everything they have going on so the meaning and subtext they're getting may have nothing to do with what you were saying. Yeah, it makes things "interesting" in a way I could so do without... emotion_facepalm

As for faces fading and other details; I have learned to my astonishment that this is the norm. My experiences of remembering are the exception. How people have continuity in their lives like this is a total mystery to me, yet they clearly do. Also what is remembered is heavily edited by the mind to fit an internal narrative and often is far from what happened. And changes whenever the desired narrative changes too. wtf? It's often 90% below the person's awareness unless that person is very manipulative. Then they will be aware they're doing it for a short time before they're sure it was always that way. My mother was and my sister is that kind of person.

Nope, that isn't instinct. It's a learning so deep it becomes reflex, a muscle memory or an autoresponse that bypasses conscious thought. However it can be etched deeply if it was traumatic enough that it can be passed onto future generations via epigenetics. And since it isn't true instinct, it can be unlearned.

Oh yeah, I remember that, though I mostly hung around in rally at those times. My first big break was zOmg and then Lake Kindred. Both made me extremely wealthy at the time. At first I didnt even have a lot to quest. I just wanted all equippable hair items and all equippable eyes, so like elemental hair, oculus magica, etc.

I agree with them, its the right thing to do, just because sometimes people would take advantage of you, does not mean that you should not do the right thing. Even if your enemy shows up at your door, you should feed him, I believe in all that and would like to do that............its just so annoying! I dont want to talk to strangers so much, so I would rather they move away quickly XD

Yeah, I get you, if I get married, I think my parents would make it a big expensive thing and I wont have much of say in it. Anyone whom they ever knew would be invited

I so want to learn sign language and you are absolutely right about different languages having words that just cant translate well at all. Its one of the biggest reasons why I want to learn about every language in the world, right behind wanting to read stories and listen to songs without them being translated and understanding them

I wish I had memory like yours. I've forgotten my own name once. And damn!! That dream is almost supernatural kind of thing O__O I dont remember mine at all upon waking up, with a few rare exceptions

Yeah! Plus to me it feels like I am never doing a good job explaining what I mean to say

Have you ever had a dream where you were a completely different person with different life and attitude, you just land into that person's skin running, doing things the way they always do and think how they think. I think our day to day life is like that too, we dont have any continuity in our lives, we just roll with it as thats normal. As you said, these things are heavily edited by our mind, I often wonder how much it is so

Hmm....as a human I dont think I have any instincts strong enough that I cant reason through them or unlearn them. That makes things a bit confusing for me

Oh yeah, back in the day zOmg had as big and vibrant community as any ever seen on Gaia, encouraged by people needing to play in teams. What was the draw in Rally? As far as I could tell, it was much the same as wandering towns and having insanely inane talks with strangers, lol. OK, that was and is quite the ambition, given that the majority of items out there have either or both hair and eye poses. Yep, you do need to earn that plat to do so.

I always do what I feel is the right thing. But I don't do it out of obligation but rather because I genuinely want to, no threat of guilt needed. And I decide what is right; it is not an expectation imposed. Your family feeding anyone who drops by is a family tradition though and likely one none of you resents doing. If you ever feel put upon or resentful, that's when you know it's an obligation and not giving from the heart.

Oh yeah, you have that right. I think a child's wedding is a bigger deal for parents and grandparents than it is for the person getting married. In such cases, if you succeed in getting your tastes and preferences in the mix somewhere is a huge win.

I'd love to do all of that too. However being able to draw and paint also goes a long ways to bridging the language gap sometimes, especially with original ideas. I'm amazed though that even languages with little English in the mix can be understood because modern idioms are so similar or even exact language to language. There are also many languages that have enough common history and base with English that they can be half understood at the start and so fairly quickly learned, like many Nordic languages. It's kind of fascinating.

I think that's why people journal, blog or otherwise find a way to record thoughts and memories; they help with remembering and continuity, so memories shifted, changed or faded can be recalled. Plus the very act of recording helps to cross reference memories in the brain so they are not so easily forgotten. So double win and something for you to consider. Even with my unusual memory, I find stuff done when I was under 20 to be useful to recall memories in more detail, even stuff half forgotten and stuff never forgotten but reliving precious memories is it's own reward, triggered by those.

Premonition and I are old friends.... I have had a few dream ones; those are always long term ones. But I have had thousands of smaller waking ones in many forms. So of course I had a great interest in physics, the nature of time and have had periods considering nonlinear time and free will; both exist but how? I don't consider abilities sensing completely in this universe supernatural, like the ability to sense time out of order or life energy and the energy it contains.

There is an art to that, one I am still learning. Stating fact is never enough; the layers under it are needed from emotional, to historical, how you got there. What is obvious to me is rarely to another person and that may be the case for you too. Plus people hear and see through the filter of their bias and expectations.

Yes, I have had dreams like that; I do tend to remember those. Is that how it is for most people in their waking lives? I'm going to have to explore that idea for a time I think.

Pay attention to those vivid dreams you do remember; if they don't fade it means they contain important information. Nightmares count too; it's your subconscious trying to get you to see something. Too bad they're so rarely literal.

While I remember a few dreams nightly, only a tiny portion of those are remembered for more than a few hours and some for a few days. Maybe 5% remain vivid for years or life. Most dreams are pretty inconsequential.

Here are two common examples; the flight/fight response, done before thinking is engaged, and the startle reflex. Think of common responses newborn have before any learning has taken place; those behaviors are inborn, instinctual. Awareness, learning and experience modify instinctual responses of course.

Speaking of behaviors, spring avian aggression goes on. The scrub jays are done, and now mockingbirds, an even more aggressive species are nesting on my property and they drove the scrub jays away. On our walk in the nature preserve we had to observe most birds at a distance because redwing blackbirds had nests throughout the area along the paths in the reeds and wild mustard and they were driving away everything except a tiny very nonagressive bird called a killdeer. We watched them drive away much larger crows, turkey vultures, great egrets and even hawks; usually males teaming up to do so against birds so much larger than they are. One tried to convince people to leave without success. He landed in a tree right in front of us at eye level and proceeded to lecture us in full song, while other males swooped us (no dive bombing though). We just stopped and my husband took dozens of pictures of him while he was doing this, lmao. This went on while he tried to look threatening until another guy came down the path from the other direction. The bird flew off frustrated and disgusted at oblivious humans. rofl Then all the males ignored us after that and we saw quite a few females out and about. I guess the flock felt it was safe enough.

For rally there wasnt much, it was an easy game and I was good enough at it to win items by racing. Early gaia didnt have that many options and I was more interested in games than chatting

I only have issue when I have to go interact with people, otherwise if someone else in my home is getting the task done then I totally support it razz

Yup! Specially being an only child its too much. And people really love my parents so no one would miss it

I never was good enough to convey my headspace to canvas well, but yeah, artists can communicate their emotions better like that. Its amazing how some language stuff exists throughout, both through common root and historical intermixing, stories too!

I often look at my old stuff and cringe. I am always like- Good job forgetting it brain XD

I think my dreams on other hand are not very likely to come true. From what I remember, my dreams are always grand action packed adventures. I am good at predicting general direction with my waking mind but life usually has uncertainty to it

Biases play too big of role and some people are always there to interpret things the wrong way only, but I need to work on my communication skills too. I can get a bit rambley trying to explain myself and cause even more confusion

Mostly we dont think about past much, for day to day life the schedule matters so much that there is not much point in questioning things

Again, my dreams are mostly grand adventures not possible irl. Dinosaurs, ghosts, aliens, stuff like those. I remember having done stuff in those, but none remained with me that long

Hmm, but if things like experience can modify instinctual responses then cant we say that instincts got modified too?

Killdeer is a crazy name for a bird! No wonder they werent scared away by aggressive ones, they got reputation. Others were like- Tsk...I dont want to mess with crazies and Killdeer was like- go ahead, try me! I guess they figured out that you were just crossing their territory not encroaching upon it

I came to Gaia with a small group of online friends from another site to chat privately in town and houses back in 08. We were a hidden group of people ranging in age at first from 30s to 50s amid a sea of teems so I didn't chat with anyone outside of the group for many years. I did enjoy many of the games though and miss many of them. Before towns broke, our group from the other site grew to about 25 people ranging in age from 19-65. We had fun trying to figure out times we all could come since people lived all around the world and the group could overwhelm most chat venues at the time. Gaia was fun with the avies and could keep up with the size of our virtual gatherings. Until it broke.

LOL, OK that is more in character with you. What about when you lived on your own though? Did you offer food to all comers?

Of course you are hermit enough at this point it likely isn't an issue. You'd have to be out there socializing to meet someone and start a new relationship. Likely if you did meet the right person, they too would be introverted enough you two would likely elope and present both sets of families a done deal. At the time I got married, that wasn't socially a viable option. Different times.

One day you'll find your creative outlet for sharing stuff you can't well in words. Oh yes very much so. I had occasion in undergraduate school to take a 4 semester series of classes on linguistic history from a world expert on loan to the university. Those were special and wonderful courses and I learned so much about it and the history of the times. Those classes were rigorous and in most courses of that level you'd expect a 60% attrition rate between the start and the finish. But in her courses, the attrition rate was less than 5%. It's even more surprising when you consider the 1st semester was learning a language that has had no historical drift (written, linguistically it's had some) as the base to compare language evolution of other languages to. We learned the version that was there 5500 years ago.

rofl So lack of continuity is a blessing. Considering how so many people act, I'm sure that lack of continuity is crucial to allow them to live with themselves. It sounds like you've grown, changed and matured over time in spite of not remembering how you were back when. Since I don't have the luxury of forgetting, I lived my life in a way that is not cringe worthy. And I don't repeat mistakes.

No, dreams are typically not premonitions, but rather processing of what is going on in your life in symbolic form. And most of my premonitions happen when I'm awake. Dream ones are very rare, maybe 6 in my life time so far. Predicting where things are headed based on current information are not premonitions and we all do that too. Premonition is literally experiencing a point in time in the future, living it out of order, or extracting information from it that can't be gotten any other way. I've experienced both types.

Some people are going to get the wrong message no matter what you say or how you say it. That's not you, it's them. One thing I've learned helps with clarity though, sharing personal feelings and experiences rather than just the thought or facts. I'm not sure why; I'm just glad I now have the fine motor ability to keyboard very fast. I think it's in part because people don't pick up easily on implied information, multilayered stuff or even body language if in person and all that contains crucial information for clarity. So the approach I use now helps make up for that.

Your dreams sound fun. Still if you remember them for more than a few hours, those dreams also have a message your subconscious wants you to pay attention to as do recurring dreams or dream themes. Happily my dreams are mostly fun too. Nightmares are far more rare than even premonition dreams.

Nope; instincts are genetically embedded. Learning modifies how we use them.

Lmao. Nope, just the opposite. Killdeer is a horrible name for a small harmless totally nonagressive bird with distinctive markings. It's tiny, only a bit bigger than a humming bird. What they look like. You might see them in your area too; their range is most of the North American continent. The other birds know they pose no threat.

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I actually started right here in my thread plus a few guilds and threads connected to various games on Gaia that changed over time. The game communities have always been pretty good and generally older. Back in the day, it was Booty Grab (remember that?) plus a charity thread or two, usually run by someone I knew from the gaming community. Lake Kindred took over when BG died. Add a few contest and showcase threads and things rounded out. Threads, guilds and people come and go but there's always somewhere.

Still responsibility, obligation is a far cry from doing it because you truly want to. They feel they must or they're doing something wrong. Hence you feel guilt when you don't, as if you're doing something wrong.

Oh wedding parties and receptions--I have news for you on those. Most often, especially back in the day, the parents have more say than the person getting married. I had to fight to get what I did want, most was picked by my mother and she and I did NOT agree. I got enough though to make my wedding day a memorable one for people who came, even if I didn't know most of them (parent's friends and distant relatives on both sides accounted for 75% of the guests). I'm sure I got judged on my attire but I truly didn't care. I made the rest a bit unusual as well and lots of fun. I still get feedback from people to this day on how much they enjoyed it. That's what happens when you strip all pretensions from things, lol. The year I got married, we went to 8 other weddings. Of those other 8, only one made it. All were big, expensive affairs. Before that year, I had never been to another wedding. I sure have since. And every really big expensive wedding ended in a failed marriage (except 2 and one of the couples financed it themselves) while the more down to earth ones had a better chance of making it.

Sometimes a picture says more than a thousand words, it can say what words never could. But different languages can express things that another language can't. I fell in love with American Sign Language for being so good at describing so many things spoken English could barely name.

If I know someone well, by name for many years, I won't forget that person's name. If it was for a year or so, I'll always remember the first name, but last names may fade after 50 years or so. I don't forget faces even of chance encounters if there was any kind of connection. If an experience was intense enough, I will remember it for life in full detail, even dreams. I once had a very intense dream of a place that was remarkable, painted it a full 8 years later and then to my shock saw it irl a year after I painted it. It was a premonition dream and I didn't know it. I will remember not just the dream scene for life, but the entire time in that region for life. It was back in the early 80s. It was part of an extended trip and had many stops along the way, some with other intense experiences for me so those are also etched in memory for life too. That's just one example; I can share many stories like it.

You're right in that people don't hear what you are saying in the way you are saying it. They're interpreting the meaning through the lense of everything they have going on so the meaning and subtext they're getting may have nothing to do with what you were saying. Yeah, it makes things "interesting" in a way I could so do without... emotion_facepalm

As for faces fading and other details; I have learned to my astonishment that this is the norm. My experiences of remembering are the exception. How people have continuity in their lives like this is a total mystery to me, yet they clearly do. Also what is remembered is heavily edited by the mind to fit an internal narrative and often is far from what happened. And changes whenever the desired narrative changes too. wtf? It's often 90% below the person's awareness unless that person is very manipulative. Then they will be aware they're doing it for a short time before they're sure it was always that way. My mother was and my sister is that kind of person.

Nope, that isn't instinct. It's a learning so deep it becomes reflex, a muscle memory or an autoresponse that bypasses conscious thought. However it can be etched deeply if it was traumatic enough that it can be passed onto future generations via epigenetics. And since it isn't true instinct, it can be unlearned.

Oh yeah, I remember that, though I mostly hung around in rally at those times. My first big break was zOmg and then Lake Kindred. Both made me extremely wealthy at the time. At first I didnt even have a lot to quest. I just wanted all equippable hair items and all equippable eyes, so like elemental hair, oculus magica, etc.

I agree with them, its the right thing to do, just because sometimes people would take advantage of you, does not mean that you should not do the right thing. Even if your enemy shows up at your door, you should feed him, I believe in all that and would like to do that............its just so annoying! I dont want to talk to strangers so much, so I would rather they move away quickly XD

Yeah, I get you, if I get married, I think my parents would make it a big expensive thing and I wont have much of say in it. Anyone whom they ever knew would be invited

I so want to learn sign language and you are absolutely right about different languages having words that just cant translate well at all. Its one of the biggest reasons why I want to learn about every language in the world, right behind wanting to read stories and listen to songs without them being translated and understanding them

I wish I had memory like yours. I've forgotten my own name once. And damn!! That dream is almost supernatural kind of thing O__O I dont remember mine at all upon waking up, with a few rare exceptions

Yeah! Plus to me it feels like I am never doing a good job explaining what I mean to say

Have you ever had a dream where you were a completely different person with different life and attitude, you just land into that person's skin running, doing things the way they always do and think how they think. I think our day to day life is like that too, we dont have any continuity in our lives, we just roll with it as thats normal. As you said, these things are heavily edited by our mind, I often wonder how much it is so

Hmm....as a human I dont think I have any instincts strong enough that I cant reason through them or unlearn them. That makes things a bit confusing for me

Oh yeah, back in the day zOmg had as big and vibrant community as any ever seen on Gaia, encouraged by people needing to play in teams. What was the draw in Rally? As far as I could tell, it was much the same as wandering towns and having insanely inane talks with strangers, lol. OK, that was and is quite the ambition, given that the majority of items out there have either or both hair and eye poses. Yep, you do need to earn that plat to do so.

I always do what I feel is the right thing. But I don't do it out of obligation but rather because I genuinely want to, no threat of guilt needed. And I decide what is right; it is not an expectation imposed. Your family feeding anyone who drops by is a family tradition though and likely one none of you resents doing. If you ever feel put upon or resentful, that's when you know it's an obligation and not giving from the heart.

Oh yeah, you have that right. I think a child's wedding is a bigger deal for parents and grandparents than it is for the person getting married. In such cases, if you succeed in getting your tastes and preferences in the mix somewhere is a huge win.

I'd love to do all of that too. However being able to draw and paint also goes a long ways to bridging the language gap sometimes, especially with original ideas. I'm amazed though that even languages with little English in the mix can be understood because modern idioms are so similar or even exact language to language. There are also many languages that have enough common history and base with English that they can be half understood at the start and so fairly quickly learned, like many Nordic languages. It's kind of fascinating.

I think that's why people journal, blog or otherwise find a way to record thoughts and memories; they help with remembering and continuity, so memories shifted, changed or faded can be recalled. Plus the very act of recording helps to cross reference memories in the brain so they are not so easily forgotten. So double win and something for you to consider. Even with my unusual memory, I find stuff done when I was under 20 to be useful to recall memories in more detail, even stuff half forgotten and stuff never forgotten but reliving precious memories is it's own reward, triggered by those.

Premonition and I are old friends.... I have had a few dream ones; those are always long term ones. But I have had thousands of smaller waking ones in many forms. So of course I had a great interest in physics, the nature of time and have had periods considering nonlinear time and free will; both exist but how? I don't consider abilities sensing completely in this universe supernatural, like the ability to sense time out of order or life energy and the energy it contains.

There is an art to that, one I am still learning. Stating fact is never enough; the layers under it are needed from emotional, to historical, how you got there. What is obvious to me is rarely to another person and that may be the case for you too. Plus people hear and see through the filter of their bias and expectations.

Yes, I have had dreams like that; I do tend to remember those. Is that how it is for most people in their waking lives? I'm going to have to explore that idea for a time I think.

Pay attention to those vivid dreams you do remember; if they don't fade it means they contain important information. Nightmares count too; it's your subconscious trying to get you to see something. Too bad they're so rarely literal.

While I remember a few dreams nightly, only a tiny portion of those are remembered for more than a few hours and some for a few days. Maybe 5% remain vivid for years or life. Most dreams are pretty inconsequential.

Here are two common examples; the flight/fight response, done before thinking is engaged, and the startle reflex. Think of common responses newborn have before any learning has taken place; those behaviors are inborn, instinctual. Awareness, learning and experience modify instinctual responses of course.

Speaking of behaviors, spring avian aggression goes on. The scrub jays are done, and now mockingbirds, an even more aggressive species are nesting on my property and they drove the scrub jays away. On our walk in the nature preserve we had to observe most birds at a distance because redwing blackbirds had nests throughout the area along the paths in the reeds and wild mustard and they were driving away everything except a tiny very nonagressive bird called a killdeer. We watched them drive away much larger crows, turkey vultures, great egrets and even hawks; usually males teaming up to do so against birds so much larger than they are. One tried to convince people to leave without success. He landed in a tree right in front of us at eye level and proceeded to lecture us in full song, while other males swooped us (no dive bombing though). We just stopped and my husband took dozens of pictures of him while he was doing this, lmao. This went on while he tried to look threatening until another guy came down the path from the other direction. The bird flew off frustrated and disgusted at oblivious humans. rofl Then all the males ignored us after that and we saw quite a few females out and about. I guess the flock felt it was safe enough.

For rally there wasnt much, it was an easy game and I was good enough at it to win items by racing. Early gaia didnt have that many options and I was more interested in games than chatting

I only have issue when I have to go interact with people, otherwise if someone else in my home is getting the task done then I totally support it razz

Yup! Specially being an only child its too much. And people really love my parents so no one would miss it

I never was good enough to convey my headspace to canvas well, but yeah, artists can communicate their emotions better like that. Its amazing how some language stuff exists throughout, both through common root and historical intermixing, stories too!

I often look at my old stuff and cringe. I am always like- Good job forgetting it brain XD

I think my dreams on other hand are not very likely to come true. From what I remember, my dreams are always grand action packed adventures. I am good at predicting general direction with my waking mind but life usually has uncertainty to it

Biases play too big of role and some people are always there to interpret things the wrong way only, but I need to work on my communication skills too. I can get a bit rambley trying to explain myself and cause even more confusion

Mostly we dont think about past much, for day to day life the schedule matters so much that there is not much point in questioning things

Again, my dreams are mostly grand adventures not possible irl. Dinosaurs, ghosts, aliens, stuff like those. I remember having done stuff in those, but none remained with me that long

Hmm, but if things like experience can modify instinctual responses then cant we say that instincts got modified too?

Killdeer is a crazy name for a bird! No wonder they werent scared away by aggressive ones, they got reputation. Others were like- Tsk...I dont want to mess with crazies and Killdeer was like- go ahead, try me! I guess they figured out that you were just crossing their territory not encroaching upon it

I came to Gaia with a small group of online friends from another site to chat privately in town and houses back in 08. We were a hidden group of people ranging in age at first from 30s to 50s amid a sea of teems so I didn't chat with anyone outside of the group for many years. I did enjoy many of the games though and miss many of them. Before towns broke, our group from the other site grew to about 25 people ranging in age from 19-65. We had fun trying to figure out times we all could come since people lived all around the world and the group could overwhelm most chat venues at the time. Gaia was fun with the avies and could keep up with the size of our virtual gatherings. Until it broke.

LOL, OK that is more in character with you. What about when you lived on your own though? Did you offer food to all comers?

Of course you are hermit enough at this point it likely isn't an issue. You'd have to be out there socializing to meet someone and start a new relationship. Likely if you did meet the right person, they too would be introverted enough you two would likely elope and present both sets of families a done deal. At the time I got married, that wasn't socially a viable option. Different times.

One day you'll find your creative outlet for sharing stuff you can't well in words. Oh yes very much so. I had occasion in undergraduate school to take a 4 semester series of classes on linguistic history from a world expert on loan to the university. Those were special and wonderful courses and I learned so much about it and the history of the times. Those classes were rigorous and in most courses of that level you'd expect a 60% attrition rate between the start and the finish. But in her courses, the attrition rate was less than 5%. It's even more surprising when you consider the 1st semester was learning a language that has had no historical drift (written, linguistically it's had some) as the base to compare language evolution of other languages to. We learned the version that was there 5500 years ago.

rofl So lack of continuity is a blessing. Considering how so many people act, I'm sure that lack of continuity is crucial to allow them to live with themselves. It sounds like you've grown, changed and matured over time in spite of not remembering how you were back when. Since I don't have the luxury of forgetting, I lived my life in a way that is not cringe worthy. And I don't repeat mistakes.

No, dreams are typically not premonitions, but rather processing of what is going on in your life in symbolic form. And most of my premonitions happen when I'm awake. Dream ones are very rare, maybe 6 in my life time so far. Predicting where things are headed based on current information are not premonitions and we all do that too. Premonition is literally experiencing a point in time in the future, living it out of order, or extracting information from it that can't be gotten any other way. I've experienced both types.

Some people are going to get the wrong message no matter what you say or how you say it. That's not you, it's them. One thing I've learned helps with clarity though, sharing personal feelings and experiences rather than just the thought or facts. I'm not sure why; I'm just glad I now have the fine motor ability to keyboard very fast. I think it's in part because people don't pick up easily on implied information, multilayered stuff or even body language if in person and all that contains crucial information for clarity. So the approach I use now helps make up for that.

Your dreams sound fun. Still if you remember them for more than a few hours, those dreams also have a message your subconscious wants you to pay attention to as do recurring dreams or dream themes. Happily my dreams are mostly fun too. Nightmares are far more rare than even premonition dreams.

Nope; instincts are genetically embedded. Learning modifies how we use them.

Lmao. Nope, just the opposite. Killdeer is a horrible name for a small harmless totally nonagressive bird with distinctive markings. It's tiny, only a bit bigger than a humming bird. What they look like. You might see them in your area too; their range is most of the North American continent. The other birds know they pose no threat.

Nice!! I never heard of anyone coming here as a group before. I dont remember how I got here personally, but everyone was stranger here to me

Nope! I felt bad about it, but I am not interacting much with strangers. I didnt have many such opportunities anyway. Though if someone was there specifically to meet me, yeah, I would welcome them in

XD I am strangely proper about things like that though. Unless its someone really horrible, I dont think my parents would oppose me marrying anyone anyway

I used to sketch a lot myself, its just that I have gotten out of habit a very long time ago. I am more interested in consuming art than expressing myself anyway. That does sound like super interesting course, though I think we have that professor to thank for that in large part

XD Yeah! I cant imagine remembering everything, mostly cause I struggle to remember anyway. A lot of people would argue over the maturity part, but life leaves marks on you anyway. Unless you are resistant to learning itself, you grow over time automatically

Thats confusing, how does that work? I've seen people having a feeling about something, but having a premonition in a way that you experience a point in future while waking is a first for me

I am horrible at picking up implied information or signals like body language myself so I cant blame them, but its really great to have conversation with someone who can. Someone who tries to understand what you are saying and smart enough to get things

I would say that dreams I remember would be closer to nightmares if I actually lost in them. I tend to win in the end, but other than that, I dont know what message they can have other than that I like adventure. There is not much to interpret if all you remember is that you used a vine to trip up a T-Rex

Hmm....then circling back to what we talked about earlier, if you have a traumatic thing happen to you that change your natural reaction to something and that is passed down to your kid without them experiencing the same event, at which part is that an instinct?

They do seem familiar! But you know what? it could be a case of them being total badass in past but they just want a quiet life now, so they mind their own business now but other creatures of forest remember that it killed a deer in past XD

[glengrin]

Haji Demon

glengrin

I came to Gaia with a small group of online friends from another site to chat privately in town and houses back in 08. We were a hidden group of people ranging in age at first from 30s to 50s amid a sea of teems so I didn't chat with anyone outside of the group for many years. I did enjoy many of the games though and miss many of them. Before towns broke, our group from the other site grew to about 25 people ranging in age from 19-65. We had fun trying to figure out times we all could come since people lived all around the world and the group could overwhelm most chat venues at the time. Gaia was fun with the avies and could keep up with the size of our virtual gatherings. Until it broke.

LOL, OK that is more in character with you. What about when you lived on your own though? Did you offer food to all comers?

Of course you are hermit enough at this point it likely isn't an issue. You'd have to be out there socializing to meet someone and start a new relationship. Likely if you did meet the right person, they too would be introverted enough you two would likely elope and present both sets of families a done deal. At the time I got married, that wasn't socially a viable option. Different times.

One day you'll find your creative outlet for sharing stuff you can't well in words. Oh yes very much so. I had occasion in undergraduate school to take a 4 semester series of classes on linguistic history from a world expert on loan to the university. Those were special and wonderful courses and I learned so much about it and the history of the times. Those classes were rigorous and in most courses of that level you'd expect a 60% attrition rate between the start and the finish. But in her courses, the attrition rate was less than 5%. It's even more surprising when you consider the 1st semester was learning a language that has had no historical drift (written, linguistically it's had some) as the base to compare language evolution of other languages to. We learned the version that was there 5500 years ago.

rofl So lack of continuity is a blessing. Considering how so many people act, I'm sure that lack of continuity is crucial to allow them to live with themselves. It sounds like you've grown, changed and matured over time in spite of not remembering how you were back when. Since I don't have the luxury of forgetting, I lived my life in a way that is not cringe worthy. And I don't repeat mistakes.

No, dreams are typically not premonitions, but rather processing of what is going on in your life in symbolic form. And most of my premonitions happen when I'm awake. Dream ones are very rare, maybe 6 in my life time so far. Predicting where things are headed based on current information are not premonitions and we all do that too. Premonition is literally experiencing a point in time in the future, living it out of order, or extracting information from it that can't be gotten any other way. I've experienced both types.

Some people are going to get the wrong message no matter what you say or how you say it. That's not you, it's them. One thing I've learned helps with clarity though, sharing personal feelings and experiences rather than just the thought or facts. I'm not sure why; I'm just glad I now have the fine motor ability to keyboard very fast. I think it's in part because people don't pick up easily on implied information, multilayered stuff or even body language if in person and all that contains crucial information for clarity. So the approach I use now helps make up for that.

Your dreams sound fun. Still if you remember them for more than a few hours, those dreams also have a message your subconscious wants you to pay attention to as do recurring dreams or dream themes. Happily my dreams are mostly fun too. Nightmares are far more rare than even premonition dreams.

Nope; instincts are genetically embedded. Learning modifies how we use them.

Lmao. Nope, just the opposite. Killdeer is a horrible name for a small harmless totally nonagressive bird with distinctive markings. It's tiny, only a bit bigger than a humming bird. What they look like. You might see them in your area too; their range is most of the North American continent. The other birds know they pose no threat.

Nice!! I never heard of anyone coming here as a group before. I dont remember how I got here personally, but everyone was stranger here to me

Nope! I felt bad about it, but I am not interacting much with strangers. I didnt have many such opportunities anyway. Though if someone was there specifically to meet me, yeah, I would welcome them in

XD I am strangely proper about things like that though. Unless its someone really horrible, I dont think my parents would oppose me marrying anyone anyway

I used to sketch a lot myself, its just that I have gotten out of habit a very long time ago. I am more interested in consuming art than expressing myself anyway. That does sound like super interesting course, though I think we have that professor to thank for that in large part

XD Yeah! I cant imagine remembering everything, mostly cause I struggle to remember anyway. A lot of people would argue over the maturity part, but life leaves marks on you anyway. Unless you are resistant to learning itself, you grow over time automatically

Thats confusing, how does that work? I've seen people having a feeling about something, but having a premonition in a way that you experience a point in future while waking is a first for me

I am horrible at picking up implied information or signals like body language myself so I cant blame them, but its really great to have conversation with someone who can. Someone who tries to understand what you are saying and smart enough to get things

I would say that dreams I remember would be closer to nightmares if I actually lost in them. I tend to win in the end, but other than that, I dont know what message they can have other than that I like adventure. There is not much to interpret if all you remember is that you used a vine to trip up a T-Rex

Hmm....then circling back to what we talked about earlier, if you have a traumatic thing happen to you that change your natural reaction to something and that is passed down to your kid without them experiencing the same event, at which part is that an instinct?

They do seem familiar! But you know what? it could be a case of them being total badass in past but they just want a quiet life now, so they mind their own business now but other creatures of forest remember that it killed a deer in past XD

I never would have gotten here on my own; at the time I had other sites I hung out in, old fashioned forums. One is still around and it started about the same time as Facebook. It's very quiet now though with just occasional posting. And I'm the only staff left there of the original 5.

Well, yeah, if someone is here to meet me, of course I'd make them welcome. But if it's not social, food usually isn't included.

Ah so if you get there and marry, a formal wedding is in the works, crowds and all.

I am out of the habit of doing art now too, but I may take it back up once again. Disability is what stopped me, but I've regained so much ability at this point I could once again as well as play a musical instrument. For about 25 years I could do neither. Oh yes, it was in large part due to that visiting world expert. They made the dept just for her; it was quite the coup for a low income state college. She was one of those very special magical teachers there never are enough of too, on top of the expertise.

Pretty much. It helps if you're also not insisting on doing the same things over and over long after learning they don't work well too. But moving forward and growing is the definition of maturing.

It is very confusing to experience too and usually involve trivial random moments of life, small time jumps of a min. to maybe a half hour. I was surprised to learn though they aren't that uncommon, nor are people who do have premonitions. I have less of those now than when I was younger. I have more of the other kinds, the just knowing and the dream kind. Those are far more useful anyway.

Even for me, someone who gets the message in it's entirety is truly rare and a treasure. It's good to know there are many others out there at my level and I don't have to delineate so much and don't have to guess if what seems obvious to me is even apparent to them. But no matter who we are, how and what level we function at, we all want to be understood. Even critters other than humans.

It's not the dreams that fade quickly that matter, beyond the normal work of dreams to help the brain process daily data and lay memories, but the truly vivid ones that are remembered for a day or more. Those are the ones to figure out. Remember they are symbolic, not literal and every element in them may have a meaning.

If it gets incorporated into future generations, that is a good question. At what point does knowledge passed down that way get ingrained as instinct, universal to an entire species and beyond? At this point the answer is unknown.

You certainly aren't lacking in imagination. rofl rofl rofl Heh, more like someone thought they looked like deer caught in the headlights and the name stuck.

[Haji Demon]

glengrin

Haji Demon

glengrin

I came to Gaia with a small group of online friends from another site to chat privately in town and houses back in 08. We were a hidden group of people ranging in age at first from 30s to 50s amid a sea of teems so I didn't chat with anyone outside of the group for many years. I did enjoy many of the games though and miss many of them. Before towns broke, our group from the other site grew to about 25 people ranging in age from 19-65. We had fun trying to figure out times we all could come since people lived all around the world and the group could overwhelm most chat venues at the time. Gaia was fun with the avies and could keep up with the size of our virtual gatherings. Until it broke.

LOL, OK that is more in character with you. What about when you lived on your own though? Did you offer food to all comers?

Of course you are hermit enough at this point it likely isn't an issue. You'd have to be out there socializing to meet someone and start a new relationship. Likely if you did meet the right person, they too would be introverted enough you two would likely elope and present both sets of families a done deal. At the time I got married, that wasn't socially a viable option. Different times.

One day you'll find your creative outlet for sharing stuff you can't well in words. Oh yes very much so. I had occasion in undergraduate school to take a 4 semester series of classes on linguistic history from a world expert on loan to the university. Those were special and wonderful courses and I learned so much about it and the history of the times. Those classes were rigorous and in most courses of that level you'd expect a 60% attrition rate between the start and the finish. But in her courses, the attrition rate was less than 5%. It's even more surprising when you consider the 1st semester was learning a language that has had no historical drift (written, linguistically it's had some) as the base to compare language evolution of other languages to. We learned the version that was there 5500 years ago.

rofl So lack of continuity is a blessing. Considering how so many people act, I'm sure that lack of continuity is crucial to allow them to live with themselves. It sounds like you've grown, changed and matured over time in spite of not remembering how you were back when. Since I don't have the luxury of forgetting, I lived my life in a way that is not cringe worthy. And I don't repeat mistakes.

No, dreams are typically not premonitions, but rather processing of what is going on in your life in symbolic form. And most of my premonitions happen when I'm awake. Dream ones are very rare, maybe 6 in my life time so far. Predicting where things are headed based on current information are not premonitions and we all do that too. Premonition is literally experiencing a point in time in the future, living it out of order, or extracting information from it that can't be gotten any other way. I've experienced both types.

Some people are going to get the wrong message no matter what you say or how you say it. That's not you, it's them. One thing I've learned helps with clarity though, sharing personal feelings and experiences rather than just the thought or facts. I'm not sure why; I'm just glad I now have the fine motor ability to keyboard very fast. I think it's in part because people don't pick up easily on implied information, multilayered stuff or even body language if in person and all that contains crucial information for clarity. So the approach I use now helps make up for that.

Your dreams sound fun. Still if you remember them for more than a few hours, those dreams also have a message your subconscious wants you to pay attention to as do recurring dreams or dream themes. Happily my dreams are mostly fun too. Nightmares are far more rare than even premonition dreams.

Nope; instincts are genetically embedded. Learning modifies how we use them.

Lmao. Nope, just the opposite. Killdeer is a horrible name for a small harmless totally nonagressive bird with distinctive markings. It's tiny, only a bit bigger than a humming bird. What they look like. You might see them in your area too; their range is most of the North American continent. The other birds know they pose no threat.

Nice!! I never heard of anyone coming here as a group before. I dont remember how I got here personally, but everyone was stranger here to me

Nope! I felt bad about it, but I am not interacting much with strangers. I didnt have many such opportunities anyway. Though if someone was there specifically to meet me, yeah, I would welcome them in

XD I am strangely proper about things like that though. Unless its someone really horrible, I dont think my parents would oppose me marrying anyone anyway

I used to sketch a lot myself, its just that I have gotten out of habit a very long time ago. I am more interested in consuming art than expressing myself anyway. That does sound like super interesting course, though I think we have that professor to thank for that in large part

XD Yeah! I cant imagine remembering everything, mostly cause I struggle to remember anyway. A lot of people would argue over the maturity part, but life leaves marks on you anyway. Unless you are resistant to learning itself, you grow over time automatically

Thats confusing, how does that work? I've seen people having a feeling about something, but having a premonition in a way that you experience a point in future while waking is a first for me

I am horrible at picking up implied information or signals like body language myself so I cant blame them, but its really great to have conversation with someone who can. Someone who tries to understand what you are saying and smart enough to get things

I would say that dreams I remember would be closer to nightmares if I actually lost in them. I tend to win in the end, but other than that, I dont know what message they can have other than that I like adventure. There is not much to interpret if all you remember is that you used a vine to trip up a T-Rex

Hmm....then circling back to what we talked about earlier, if you have a traumatic thing happen to you that change your natural reaction to something and that is passed down to your kid without them experiencing the same event, at which part is that an instinct?

They do seem familiar! But you know what? it could be a case of them being total badass in past but they just want a quiet life now, so they mind their own business now but other creatures of forest remember that it killed a deer in past XD

I never would have gotten here on my own; at the time I had other sites I hung out in, old fashioned forums. One is still around and it started about the same time as Facebook. It's very quiet now though with just occasional posting. And I'm the only staff left there of the original 5.

Well, yeah, if someone is here to meet me, of course I'd make them welcome. But if it's not social, food usually isn't included.

Ah so if you get there and marry, a formal wedding is in the works, crowds and all.

I am out of the habit of doing art now too, but I may take it back up once again. Disability is what stopped me, but I've regained so much ability at this point I could once again as well as play a musical instrument. For about 25 years I could do neither. Oh yes, it was in large part due to that visiting world expert. They made the dept just for her; it was quite the coup for a low income state college. She was one of those very special magical teachers there never are enough of too, on top of the expertise.

Pretty much. It helps if you're also not insisting on doing the same things over and over long after learning they don't work well too. But moving forward and growing is the definition of maturing.

It is very confusing to experience too and usually involve trivial random moments of life, small time jumps of a min. to maybe a half hour. I was surprised to learn though they aren't that uncommon, nor are people who do have premonitions. I have less of those now than when I was younger. I have more of the other kinds, the just knowing and the dream kind. Those are far more useful anyway.

Even for me, someone who gets the message in it's entirety is truly rare and a treasure. It's good to know there are many others out there at my level and I don't have to delineate so much and don't have to guess if what seems obvious to me is even apparent to them. But no matter who we are, how and what level we function at, we all want to be understood. Even critters other than humans.

It's not the dreams that fade quickly that matter, beyond the normal work of dreams to help the brain process daily data and lay memories, but the truly vivid ones that are remembered for a day or more. Those are the ones to figure out. Remember they are symbolic, not literal and every element in them may have a meaning.

If it gets incorporated into future generations, that is a good question. At what point does knowledge passed down that way get ingrained as instinct, universal to an entire species and beyond? At this point the answer is unknown.

You certainly aren't lacking in imagination. rofl rofl rofl Heh, more like someone thought they looked like deer caught in the headlights and the name stuck.

I think I recently started getting active on net when gaia started. I just followed the anime stuff

My parents would go- something to drink at least is important, give them water at least if you dont have anything else. No one should come to your door and leave hungry and thirsty. And I know how crazy it is as once I was at my grandparents' place, a homeless man just came and knocked at our door and very politely asked if he can have some tea? My aunts made him a cup and gave him some cookies to eat along with it, and considered it a great fortune to get to do that

Unfortunately yeah, I got no choice but to suffer. Like I would argue hard and have them have a small wedding, but their small wedding would be same as average person's idea of a big one

Aww, thats sad, but glad that you are getting better! Unfortunately in my case, its just phone and laptop. Same reason as to why I dont read anymore. And I know exactly what you mean, I had an art teacher like that! Amazing and knowledgeable person. She won an award the year I was there

Yeah, stubborn people who think they know it all, tend to be most immature for that reason

I drift off a lot, but I dont think I ever experienced something like that. Though I can again blame technology for lesser numbers, if you are distracted all the time, you miss things

True, even someone who is willing to try is a rare gift! People asking what you mean over assuming worst alone are great friend materials. And quite true, though to someone like me, being understood can also be a scary thing

Even with those, I often just remember stories for a little while. A few times an interesting concept, which I wrote down afterwards and then after I forgot the dream, I just get confused by what I wrote. I remember when I was stuck in a game with some puzzle, I would have dreams about it, sometimes I would even find a solution. I would remember that for a while, but I think thats the limit of my vivid dreams...just things I am interested in. I would say the same for my adventurous dreams, I like adventures

I wonder if we would ever understand human brain and behavior completely. Sometimes it feels like we are a bit like current AI (and not real one). Just something that gets polished over and over till we cant tell it apart from real thing

blaugh The headlights thing makes so much more sense!

[glengrin]

Haji Demon

glengrin

Haji Demon

glengrin

I came to Gaia with a small group of online friends from another site to chat privately in town and houses back in 08. We were a hidden group of people ranging in age at first from 30s to 50s amid a sea of teems so I didn't chat with anyone outside of the group for many years. I did enjoy many of the games though and miss many of them. Before towns broke, our group from the other site grew to about 25 people ranging in age from 19-65. We had fun trying to figure out times we all could come since people lived all around the world and the group could overwhelm most chat venues at the time. Gaia was fun with the avies and could keep up with the size of our virtual gatherings. Until it broke.

LOL, OK that is more in character with you. What about when you lived on your own though? Did you offer food to all comers?

Of course you are hermit enough at this point it likely isn't an issue. You'd have to be out there socializing to meet someone and start a new relationship. Likely if you did meet the right person, they too would be introverted enough you two would likely elope and present both sets of families a done deal. At the time I got married, that wasn't socially a viable option. Different times.

One day you'll find your creative outlet for sharing stuff you can't well in words. Oh yes very much so. I had occasion in undergraduate school to take a 4 semester series of classes on linguistic history from a world expert on loan to the university. Those were special and wonderful courses and I learned so much about it and the history of the times. Those classes were rigorous and in most courses of that level you'd expect a 60% attrition rate between the start and the finish. But in her courses, the attrition rate was less than 5%. It's even more surprising when you consider the 1st semester was learning a language that has had no historical drift (written, linguistically it's had some) as the base to compare language evolution of other languages to. We learned the version that was there 5500 years ago.

rofl So lack of continuity is a blessing. Considering how so many people act, I'm sure that lack of continuity is crucial to allow them to live with themselves. It sounds like you've grown, changed and matured over time in spite of not remembering how you were back when. Since I don't have the luxury of forgetting, I lived my life in a way that is not cringe worthy. And I don't repeat mistakes.

No, dreams are typically not premonitions, but rather processing of what is going on in your life in symbolic form. And most of my premonitions happen when I'm awake. Dream ones are very rare, maybe 6 in my life time so far. Predicting where things are headed based on current information are not premonitions and we all do that too. Premonition is literally experiencing a point in time in the future, living it out of order, or extracting information from it that can't be gotten any other way. I've experienced both types.

Some people are going to get the wrong message no matter what you say or how you say it. That's not you, it's them. One thing I've learned helps with clarity though, sharing personal feelings and experiences rather than just the thought or facts. I'm not sure why; I'm just glad I now have the fine motor ability to keyboard very fast. I think it's in part because people don't pick up easily on implied information, multilayered stuff or even body language if in person and all that contains crucial information for clarity. So the approach I use now helps make up for that.

Your dreams sound fun. Still if you remember them for more than a few hours, those dreams also have a message your subconscious wants you to pay attention to as do recurring dreams or dream themes. Happily my dreams are mostly fun too. Nightmares are far more rare than even premonition dreams.

Nope; instincts are genetically embedded. Learning modifies how we use them.

Lmao. Nope, just the opposite. Killdeer is a horrible name for a small harmless totally nonagressive bird with distinctive markings. It's tiny, only a bit bigger than a humming bird. What they look like. You might see them in your area too; their range is most of the North American continent. The other birds know they pose no threat.

Nice!! I never heard of anyone coming here as a group before. I dont remember how I got here personally, but everyone was stranger here to me

Nope! I felt bad about it, but I am not interacting much with strangers. I didnt have many such opportunities anyway. Though if someone was there specifically to meet me, yeah, I would welcome them in

XD I am strangely proper about things like that though. Unless its someone really horrible, I dont think my parents would oppose me marrying anyone anyway

I used to sketch a lot myself, its just that I have gotten out of habit a very long time ago. I am more interested in consuming art than expressing myself anyway. That does sound like super interesting course, though I think we have that professor to thank for that in large part

XD Yeah! I cant imagine remembering everything, mostly cause I struggle to remember anyway. A lot of people would argue over the maturity part, but life leaves marks on you anyway. Unless you are resistant to learning itself, you grow over time automatically

Thats confusing, how does that work? I've seen people having a feeling about something, but having a premonition in a way that you experience a point in future while waking is a first for me

I am horrible at picking up implied information or signals like body language myself so I cant blame them, but its really great to have conversation with someone who can. Someone who tries to understand what you are saying and smart enough to get things

I would say that dreams I remember would be closer to nightmares if I actually lost in them. I tend to win in the end, but other than that, I dont know what message they can have other than that I like adventure. There is not much to interpret if all you remember is that you used a vine to trip up a T-Rex

Hmm....then circling back to what we talked about earlier, if you have a traumatic thing happen to you that change your natural reaction to something and that is passed down to your kid without them experiencing the same event, at which part is that an instinct?

They do seem familiar! But you know what? it could be a case of them being total badass in past but they just want a quiet life now, so they mind their own business now but other creatures of forest remember that it killed a deer in past XD

I never would have gotten here on my own; at the time I had other sites I hung out in, old fashioned forums. One is still around and it started about the same time as Facebook. It's very quiet now though with just occasional posting. And I'm the only staff left there of the original 5.

Well, yeah, if someone is here to meet me, of course I'd make them welcome. But if it's not social, food usually isn't included.

Ah so if you get there and marry, a formal wedding is in the works, crowds and all.

I am out of the habit of doing art now too, but I may take it back up once again. Disability is what stopped me, but I've regained so much ability at this point I could once again as well as play a musical instrument. For about 25 years I could do neither. Oh yes, it was in large part due to that visiting world expert. They made the dept just for her; it was quite the coup for a low income state college. She was one of those very special magical teachers there never are enough of too, on top of the expertise.

Pretty much. It helps if you're also not insisting on doing the same things over and over long after learning they don't work well too. But moving forward and growing is the definition of maturing.

It is very confusing to experience too and usually involve trivial random moments of life, small time jumps of a min. to maybe a half hour. I was surprised to learn though they aren't that uncommon, nor are people who do have premonitions. I have less of those now than when I was younger. I have more of the other kinds, the just knowing and the dream kind. Those are far more useful anyway.

Even for me, someone who gets the message in it's entirety is truly rare and a treasure. It's good to know there are many others out there at my level and I don't have to delineate so much and don't have to guess if what seems obvious to me is even apparent to them. But no matter who we are, how and what level we function at, we all want to be understood. Even critters other than humans.

It's not the dreams that fade quickly that matter, beyond the normal work of dreams to help the brain process daily data and lay memories, but the truly vivid ones that are remembered for a day or more. Those are the ones to figure out. Remember they are symbolic, not literal and every element in them may have a meaning.

If it gets incorporated into future generations, that is a good question. At what point does knowledge passed down that way get ingrained as instinct, universal to an entire species and beyond? At this point the answer is unknown.

You certainly aren't lacking in imagination. rofl rofl rofl Heh, more like someone thought they looked like deer caught in the headlights and the name stuck.

I think I recently started getting active on net when gaia started. I just followed the anime stuff

My parents would go- something to drink at least is important, give them water at least if you dont have anything else. No one should come to your door and leave hungry and thirsty. And I know how crazy it is as once I was at my grandparents' place, a homeless man just came and knocked at our door and very politely asked if he can have some tea? My aunts made him a cup and gave him some cookies to eat along with it, and considered it a great fortune to get to do that

Unfortunately yeah, I got no choice but to suffer. Like I would argue hard and have them have a small wedding, but their small wedding would be same as average person's idea of a big one

Aww, thats sad, but glad that you are getting better! Unfortunately in my case, its just phone and laptop. Same reason as to why I dont read anymore. And I know exactly what you mean, I had an art teacher like that! Amazing and knowledgeable person. She won an award the year I was there

Yeah, stubborn people who think they know it all, tend to be most immature for that reason

I drift off a lot, but I dont think I ever experienced something like that. Though I can again blame technology for lesser numbers, if you are distracted all the time, you miss things

True, even someone who is willing to try is a rare gift! People asking what you mean over assuming worst alone are great friend materials. And quite true, though to someone like me, being understood can also be a scary thing

Even with those, I often just remember stories for a little while. A few times an interesting concept, which I wrote down afterwards and then after I forgot the dream, I just get confused by what I wrote. I remember when I was stuck in a game with some puzzle, I would have dreams about it, sometimes I would even find a solution. I would remember that for a while, but I think thats the limit of my vivid dreams...just things I am interested in. I would say the same for my adventurous dreams, I like adventures

I wonder if we would ever understand human brain and behavior completely. Sometimes it feels like we are a bit like current AI (and not real one). Just something that gets polished over and over till we cant tell it apart from real thing

blaugh The headlights thing makes so much more sense!

Oh that's interesting. It just so happens I was pretty new to the net at the point I came to Gaia too; only having been on it for a bit less than a year. I do recall that back then anime was a huge draw for new Gaia members. Why were you so late in coming online? For me it was the aforementioned lost fine motor control and regaining it. So even being able to be online at all was such a joy and the things it opened up at the time.

I was reflecting on what you've said of your family tradition and I've noticed in entertainment and literature from around the world that doing this seems to be the cultural norm for English, but not other cultures that I've seen. Is there a connection there?

In that case, should you be so fortunate to meet the right one you wish to spend a life with, may as well let your parents and hers/his have their way and invite enough people to fill a city. mrgreen It's joyful in any case to make that commitment.

When I think of all those lost years, but then the past is past, done. They don't matter expect as experiences and unhealed emotional issues, lessons learned and fond memories to cherish. What matters is the present and future. So I work hard to insure those are the best possible. And I did work very hard to find the solution that healed me; stubbornness paid off truly. Plus it set me up with the road map when other serious health issues happened to find the way through when simply letting the doctors do it utterly failed.

We are all blessed when such teachers cross our paths. And sadly such teachers are all too often hamstrung by the education system and burn out. It's not so bad at the college level, but if Trump has his way, we are in for a true censorship nightmare.

Modern media, phone, tablet and computer is the reason many stopped doing art off those, especially in younger generations. You're not alone in that. Playing online takes huge chunks of daily time, leaving little for other stuff.

Or at least tedious and difficult at the very least! They can't admit to their mistakes, even to themselves.

Even drifting off or preoccupied, there is no mistaking a premonition. They come from nowhere and take over full attention! You've likely not had one (and you're not alone in this). I think many people have a gut feeling that something is about to happen; that is usually the subconscious putting together some things it picked up that wasn't consciously noticed and sending out a heads up. Sometimes the information wasn't there in the present and those are true premonitions experienced the same way. It's pretty common for many. What I experience is another level totally and there is no mistaking it. Yet while this form is not as common, it isn't totally unknown either; I've come across many others who have this ability.

I've noticed with many people, being truly seen is terrifying. They so want to be understood while not being seen. Why is it with you? Finding those who are comfortable being seen, their true self under everything is such a joy. Warning, people who are that way, myself included usually also see others for who they truly are plus all the layers on top. For us, it's a bit of a minefield to figure out where to place focus, on the surface or engage with the entire person. Most people have no idea of how wonderful they really are underneath all the learned stuff. Sometimes I come across someone who at their core is someone to be avoided at all costs, like Trump as a clear example. If you could feel your true self, you'd want it to shine, and be seen clearly.

Solving stuff in dreams is useful. I hear of people who are working on stuff and the answer comes in a dream. I likely have done it once or twice but I no longer recall those. Mostly I just set aside something and let my hindbrain work on it and voila, the perfect solution will appear. Usually at totally inopportune times, like 4 am or in the middle of cooking dinner or taking a shower, some place I can do nothing about it but hope to remember it later. Fortunately most times I do. Gotta love intuition! In ave. dreams I too dream in themes recently enjoyed on TV or read; sci fi, action adventure type stuff sometimes. Few dreams are vivid though and the really fun ones that are often have layers of meaning.

It's all perception. And when it comes to understanding the brain, scientifically we still know very very little. Experientially, individually and in group, we know a tiny bit more but it's so wrapped up in belief explanations so that too gets distorted. So most of it is still a mystery and the bits known are polished up brightly indeed as you phrased it.

Here's to the tiny cute bird with the terrible name!

[Haji Demon]

glengrin

Haji Demon

glengrin

Haji Demon

glengrin

I came to Gaia with a small group of online friends from another site to chat privately in town and houses back in 08. We were a hidden group of people ranging in age at first from 30s to 50s amid a sea of teems so I didn't chat with anyone outside of the group for many years. I did enjoy many of the games though and miss many of them. Before towns broke, our group from the other site grew to about 25 people ranging in age from 19-65. We had fun trying to figure out times we all could come since people lived all around the world and the group could overwhelm most chat venues at the time. Gaia was fun with the avies and could keep up with the size of our virtual gatherings. Until it broke.

LOL, OK that is more in character with you. What about when you lived on your own though? Did you offer food to all comers?

Of course you are hermit enough at this point it likely isn't an issue. You'd have to be out there socializing to meet someone and start a new relationship. Likely if you did meet the right person, they too would be introverted enough you two would likely elope and present both sets of families a done deal. At the time I got married, that wasn't socially a viable option. Different times.

One day you'll find your creative outlet for sharing stuff you can't well in words. Oh yes very much so. I had occasion in undergraduate school to take a 4 semester series of classes on linguistic history from a world expert on loan to the university. Those were special and wonderful courses and I learned so much about it and the history of the times. Those classes were rigorous and in most courses of that level you'd expect a 60% attrition rate between the start and the finish. But in her courses, the attrition rate was less than 5%. It's even more surprising when you consider the 1st semester was learning a language that has had no historical drift (written, linguistically it's had some) as the base to compare language evolution of other languages to. We learned the version that was there 5500 years ago.

rofl So lack of continuity is a blessing. Considering how so many people act, I'm sure that lack of continuity is crucial to allow them to live with themselves. It sounds like you've grown, changed and matured over time in spite of not remembering how you were back when. Since I don't have the luxury of forgetting, I lived my life in a way that is not cringe worthy. And I don't repeat mistakes.

No, dreams are typically not premonitions, but rather processing of what is going on in your life in symbolic form. And most of my premonitions happen when I'm awake. Dream ones are very rare, maybe 6 in my life time so far. Predicting where things are headed based on current information are not premonitions and we all do that too. Premonition is literally experiencing a point in time in the future, living it out of order, or extracting information from it that can't be gotten any other way. I've experienced both types.

Some people are going to get the wrong message no matter what you say or how you say it. That's not you, it's them. One thing I've learned helps with clarity though, sharing personal feelings and experiences rather than just the thought or facts. I'm not sure why; I'm just glad I now have the fine motor ability to keyboard very fast. I think it's in part because people don't pick up easily on implied information, multilayered stuff or even body language if in person and all that contains crucial information for clarity. So the approach I use now helps make up for that.

Your dreams sound fun. Still if you remember them for more than a few hours, those dreams also have a message your subconscious wants you to pay attention to as do recurring dreams or dream themes. Happily my dreams are mostly fun too. Nightmares are far more rare than even premonition dreams.

Nope; instincts are genetically embedded. Learning modifies how we use them.

Lmao. Nope, just the opposite. Killdeer is a horrible name for a small harmless totally nonagressive bird with distinctive markings. It's tiny, only a bit bigger than a humming bird. What they look like. You might see them in your area too; their range is most of the North American continent. The other birds know they pose no threat.

Nice!! I never heard of anyone coming here as a group before. I dont remember how I got here personally, but everyone was stranger here to me

Nope! I felt bad about it, but I am not interacting much with strangers. I didnt have many such opportunities anyway. Though if someone was there specifically to meet me, yeah, I would welcome them in

XD I am strangely proper about things like that though. Unless its someone really horrible, I dont think my parents would oppose me marrying anyone anyway

I used to sketch a lot myself, its just that I have gotten out of habit a very long time ago. I am more interested in consuming art than expressing myself anyway. That does sound like super interesting course, though I think we have that professor to thank for that in large part

XD Yeah! I cant imagine remembering everything, mostly cause I struggle to remember anyway. A lot of people would argue over the maturity part, but life leaves marks on you anyway. Unless you are resistant to learning itself, you grow over time automatically

Thats confusing, how does that work? I've seen people having a feeling about something, but having a premonition in a way that you experience a point in future while waking is a first for me

I am horrible at picking up implied information or signals like body language myself so I cant blame them, but its really great to have conversation with someone who can. Someone who tries to understand what you are saying and smart enough to get things

I would say that dreams I remember would be closer to nightmares if I actually lost in them. I tend to win in the end, but other than that, I dont know what message they can have other than that I like adventure. There is not much to interpret if all you remember is that you used a vine to trip up a T-Rex

Hmm....then circling back to what we talked about earlier, if you have a traumatic thing happen to you that change your natural reaction to something and that is passed down to your kid without them experiencing the same event, at which part is that an instinct?

They do seem familiar! But you know what? it could be a case of them being total badass in past but they just want a quiet life now, so they mind their own business now but other creatures of forest remember that it killed a deer in past XD

I never would have gotten here on my own; at the time I had other sites I hung out in, old fashioned forums. One is still around and it started about the same time as Facebook. It's very quiet now though with just occasional posting. And I'm the only staff left there of the original 5.

Well, yeah, if someone is here to meet me, of course I'd make them welcome. But if it's not social, food usually isn't included.

Ah so if you get there and marry, a formal wedding is in the works, crowds and all.

I am out of the habit of doing art now too, but I may take it back up once again. Disability is what stopped me, but I've regained so much ability at this point I could once again as well as play a musical instrument. For about 25 years I could do neither. Oh yes, it was in large part due to that visiting world expert. They made the dept just for her; it was quite the coup for a low income state college. She was one of those very special magical teachers there never are enough of too, on top of the expertise.

Pretty much. It helps if you're also not insisting on doing the same things over and over long after learning they don't work well too. But moving forward and growing is the definition of maturing.

It is very confusing to experience too and usually involve trivial random moments of life, small time jumps of a min. to maybe a half hour. I was surprised to learn though they aren't that uncommon, nor are people who do have premonitions. I have less of those now than when I was younger. I have more of the other kinds, the just knowing and the dream kind. Those are far more useful anyway.

Even for me, someone who gets the message in it's entirety is truly rare and a treasure. It's good to know there are many others out there at my level and I don't have to delineate so much and don't have to guess if what seems obvious to me is even apparent to them. But no matter who we are, how and what level we function at, we all want to be understood. Even critters other than humans.

It's not the dreams that fade quickly that matter, beyond the normal work of dreams to help the brain process daily data and lay memories, but the truly vivid ones that are remembered for a day or more. Those are the ones to figure out. Remember they are symbolic, not literal and every element in them may have a meaning.

If it gets incorporated into future generations, that is a good question. At what point does knowledge passed down that way get ingrained as instinct, universal to an entire species and beyond? At this point the answer is unknown.

You certainly aren't lacking in imagination. rofl rofl rofl Heh, more like someone thought they looked like deer caught in the headlights and the name stuck.

I think I recently started getting active on net when gaia started. I just followed the anime stuff

My parents would go- something to drink at least is important, give them water at least if you dont have anything else. No one should come to your door and leave hungry and thirsty. And I know how crazy it is as once I was at my grandparents' place, a homeless man just came and knocked at our door and very politely asked if he can have some tea? My aunts made him a cup and gave him some cookies to eat along with it, and considered it a great fortune to get to do that

Unfortunately yeah, I got no choice but to suffer. Like I would argue hard and have them have a small wedding, but their small wedding would be same as average person's idea of a big one

Aww, thats sad, but glad that you are getting better! Unfortunately in my case, its just phone and laptop. Same reason as to why I dont read anymore. And I know exactly what you mean, I had an art teacher like that! Amazing and knowledgeable person. She won an award the year I was there

Yeah, stubborn people who think they know it all, tend to be most immature for that reason

I drift off a lot, but I dont think I ever experienced something like that. Though I can again blame technology for lesser numbers, if you are distracted all the time, you miss things

True, even someone who is willing to try is a rare gift! People asking what you mean over assuming worst alone are great friend materials. And quite true, though to someone like me, being understood can also be a scary thing

Even with those, I often just remember stories for a little while. A few times an interesting concept, which I wrote down afterwards and then after I forgot the dream, I just get confused by what I wrote. I remember when I was stuck in a game with some puzzle, I would have dreams about it, sometimes I would even find a solution. I would remember that for a while, but I think thats the limit of my vivid dreams...just things I am interested in. I would say the same for my adventurous dreams, I like adventures

I wonder if we would ever understand human brain and behavior completely. Sometimes it feels like we are a bit like current AI (and not real one). Just something that gets polished over and over till we cant tell it apart from real thing

blaugh The headlights thing makes so much more sense!

Oh that's interesting. It just so happens I was pretty new to the net at the point I came to Gaia too; only having been on it for a bit less than a year. I do recall that back then anime was a huge draw for new Gaia members. Why were you so late in coming online? For me it was the aforementioned lost fine motor control and regaining it. So even being able to be online at all was such a joy and the things it opened up at the time.

I was reflecting on what you've said of your family tradition and I've noticed in entertainment and literature from around the world that doing this seems to be the cultural norm for English, but not other cultures that I've seen. Is there a connection there?

In that case, should you be so fortunate to meet the right one you wish to spend a life with, may as well let your parents and hers/his have their way and invite enough people to fill a city. mrgreen It's joyful in any case to make that commitment.

When I think of all those lost years, but then the past is past, done. They don't matter expect as experiences and unhealed emotional issues, lessons learned and fond memories to cherish. What matters is the present and future. So I work hard to insure those are the best possible. And I did work very hard to find the solution that healed me; stubbornness paid off truly. Plus it set me up with the road map when other serious health issues happened to find the way through when simply letting the doctors do it utterly failed.

We are all blessed when such teachers cross our paths. And sadly such teachers are all too often hamstrung by the education system and burn out. It's not so bad at the college level, but if Trump has his way, we are in for a true censorship nightmare.

Modern media, phone, tablet and computer is the reason many stopped doing art off those, especially in younger generations. You're not alone in that. Playing online takes huge chunks of daily time, leaving little for other stuff.

Or at least tedious and difficult at the very least! They can't admit to their mistakes, even to themselves.

Even drifting off or preoccupied, there is no mistaking a premonition. They come from nowhere and take over full attention! You've likely not had one (and you're not alone in this). I think many people have a gut feeling that something is about to happen; that is usually the subconscious putting together some things it picked up that wasn't consciously noticed and sending out a heads up. Sometimes the information wasn't there in the present and those are true premonitions experienced the same way. It's pretty common for many. What I experience is another level totally and there is no mistaking it. Yet while this form is not as common, it isn't totally unknown either; I've come across many others who have this ability.

I've noticed with many people, being truly seen is terrifying. They so want to be understood while not being seen. Why is it with you? Finding those who are comfortable being seen, their true self under everything is such a joy. Warning, people who are that way, myself included usually also see others for who they truly are plus all the layers on top. For us, it's a bit of a minefield to figure out where to place focus, on the surface or engage with the entire person. Most people have no idea of how wonderful they really are underneath all the learned stuff. Sometimes I come across someone who at their core is someone to be avoided at all costs, like Trump as a clear example. If you could feel your true self, you'd want it to shine, and be seen clearly.

Solving stuff in dreams is useful. I hear of people who are working on stuff and the answer comes in a dream. I likely have done it once or twice but I no longer recall those. Mostly I just set aside something and let my hindbrain work on it and voila, the perfect solution will appear. Usually at totally inopportune times, like 4 am or in the middle of cooking dinner or taking a shower, some place I can do nothing about it but hope to remember it later. Fortunately most times I do. Gotta love intuition! In ave. dreams I too dream in themes recently enjoyed on TV or read; sci fi, action adventure type stuff sometimes. Few dreams are vivid though and the really fun ones that are often have layers of meaning.

It's all perception. And when it comes to understanding the brain, scientifically we still know very very little. Experientially, individually and in group, we know a tiny bit more but it's so wrapped up in belief explanations so that too gets distorted. So most of it is still a mystery and the bits known are polished up brightly indeed as you phrased it.

Here's to the tiny cute bird with the terrible name!

Idk, Naruto and Bleach items have been some of the oldest items on here. My parents didnt really believe in technology much so I got everything later than my peers, my days were mostly full of studying and sports anyway. Any extra time would get eaten away by some other activity

There is a bit of cultural thing to it, but idk how much of it is english. Plus, I dont see many other people around us doing that much, but both my mom and my dad's side of family share these values so it cant be that uncommon. But it could also be that grandfathers on both side of my families were pretty important and extremely respected people and it would be shameful for them to turn a person in need away. For a bit complicated reasons, my dad had to build things again from ground up, but those values are an important legacy he had to carry

Yeah, I am already losing spirit thinking about that happening XD

That must be specially tough for someone with as good of memory as you. Grit really is one of the most important things in the world. Getting up even after getting knocked down over and over, even if things dont work out in the end, there is a merit to that struggle alone

Seriously, I worry about education these days when people who are anti-intellectuals are making the decisions of what should be taught and how. Teachers were struggling as it is before this BS

My machine isnt even good enough to play much games, but still so many distractions! Avi making is a good creative outlet for me though. Like I did make an avi a long while ago when I was not in very good mood, but havent had the chance to polish it and use it yet

YES!! They would get loud and try to go for a narrative that no one other than themselves is buying

Yeah, its such a foreign concept to me that its hard for me to even wrap my head around it. Deja vu is probably the closest thing I experienced and its not nearly the same thing

Hard to say, could be a lot of things, like I dont like to be very vulnerable, or more than being understood, I just dont want to be misunderstood. Plus if I am truly understood by someone, they probably understand me better than I understand myself and thats a scary thought! Though it could be that I am more similar to Trump in a way. I do feel sympathy and even a bit of empathy towards seriously evil characters like Joffrey Baratheon from Game of Thrones

I believe there is a reason for that. When you are stuck on something, just trying to push your way through it doesnt help much. You got to drain your brain of it and either clear it or do something that occupies your brain in another way. Thats why those eureka moments often come in bathtub. You do seem to have very good introverted intuition at least. I really wish to have that talent. My dreams till now never had those layers, except a common theme- I dont like to lose

Do you think we would be able to understand our brain completely in our life time? If we are getting close enough to install chips in our brain, technology might catch up at exponential rate

XD

[glengrin]

Haji Demon

glengrin

Haji Demon

glengrin

Haji Demon

glengrin

I came to Gaia with a small group of online friends from another site to chat privately in town and houses back in 08. We were a hidden group of people ranging in age at first from 30s to 50s amid a sea of teems so I didn't chat with anyone outside of the group for many years. I did enjoy many of the games though and miss many of them. Before towns broke, our group from the other site grew to about 25 people ranging in age from 19-65. We had fun trying to figure out times we all could come since people lived all around the world and the group could overwhelm most chat venues at the time. Gaia was fun with the avies and could keep up with the size of our virtual gatherings. Until it broke.

LOL, OK that is more in character with you. What about when you lived on your own though? Did you offer food to all comers?

Of course you are hermit enough at this point it likely isn't an issue. You'd have to be out there socializing to meet someone and start a new relationship. Likely if you did meet the right person, they too would be introverted enough you two would likely elope and present both sets of families a done deal. At the time I got married, that wasn't socially a viable option. Different times.

One day you'll find your creative outlet for sharing stuff you can't well in words. Oh yes very much so. I had occasion in undergraduate school to take a 4 semester series of classes on linguistic history from a world expert on loan to the university. Those were special and wonderful courses and I learned so much about it and the history of the times. Those classes were rigorous and in most courses of that level you'd expect a 60% attrition rate between the start and the finish. But in her courses, the attrition rate was less than 5%. It's even more surprising when you consider the 1st semester was learning a language that has had no historical drift (written, linguistically it's had some) as the base to compare language evolution of other languages to. We learned the version that was there 5500 years ago.

rofl So lack of continuity is a blessing. Considering how so many people act, I'm sure that lack of continuity is crucial to allow them to live with themselves. It sounds like you've grown, changed and matured over time in spite of not remembering how you were back when. Since I don't have the luxury of forgetting, I lived my life in a way that is not cringe worthy. And I don't repeat mistakes.

No, dreams are typically not premonitions, but rather processing of what is going on in your life in symbolic form. And most of my premonitions happen when I'm awake. Dream ones are very rare, maybe 6 in my life time so far. Predicting where things are headed based on current information are not premonitions and we all do that too. Premonition is literally experiencing a point in time in the future, living it out of order, or extracting information from it that can't be gotten any other way. I've experienced both types.

Some people are going to get the wrong message no matter what you say or how you say it. That's not you, it's them. One thing I've learned helps with clarity though, sharing personal feelings and experiences rather than just the thought or facts. I'm not sure why; I'm just glad I now have the fine motor ability to keyboard very fast. I think it's in part because people don't pick up easily on implied information, multilayered stuff or even body language if in person and all that contains crucial information for clarity. So the approach I use now helps make up for that.

Your dreams sound fun. Still if you remember them for more than a few hours, those dreams also have a message your subconscious wants you to pay attention to as do recurring dreams or dream themes. Happily my dreams are mostly fun too. Nightmares are far more rare than even premonition dreams.

Nope; instincts are genetically embedded. Learning modifies how we use them.

Lmao. Nope, just the opposite. Killdeer is a horrible name for a small harmless totally nonagressive bird with distinctive markings. It's tiny, only a bit bigger than a humming bird. What they look like. You might see them in your area too; their range is most of the North American continent. The other birds know they pose no threat.

Nice!! I never heard of anyone coming here as a group before. I dont remember how I got here personally, but everyone was stranger here to me

Nope! I felt bad about it, but I am not interacting much with strangers. I didnt have many such opportunities anyway. Though if someone was there specifically to meet me, yeah, I would welcome them in

XD I am strangely proper about things like that though. Unless its someone really horrible, I dont think my parents would oppose me marrying anyone anyway

I used to sketch a lot myself, its just that I have gotten out of habit a very long time ago. I am more interested in consuming art than expressing myself anyway. That does sound like super interesting course, though I think we have that professor to thank for that in large part

XD Yeah! I cant imagine remembering everything, mostly cause I struggle to remember anyway. A lot of people would argue over the maturity part, but life leaves marks on you anyway. Unless you are resistant to learning itself, you grow over time automatically

Thats confusing, how does that work? I've seen people having a feeling about something, but having a premonition in a way that you experience a point in future while waking is a first for me

I am horrible at picking up implied information or signals like body language myself so I cant blame them, but its really great to have conversation with someone who can. Someone who tries to understand what you are saying and smart enough to get things

I would say that dreams I remember would be closer to nightmares if I actually lost in them. I tend to win in the end, but other than that, I dont know what message they can have other than that I like adventure. There is not much to interpret if all you remember is that you used a vine to trip up a T-Rex

Hmm....then circling back to what we talked about earlier, if you have a traumatic thing happen to you that change your natural reaction to something and that is passed down to your kid without them experiencing the same event, at which part is that an instinct?

They do seem familiar! But you know what? it could be a case of them being total badass in past but they just want a quiet life now, so they mind their own business now but other creatures of forest remember that it killed a deer in past XD

I never would have gotten here on my own; at the time I had other sites I hung out in, old fashioned forums. One is still around and it started about the same time as Facebook. It's very quiet now though with just occasional posting. And I'm the only staff left there of the original 5.

Well, yeah, if someone is here to meet me, of course I'd make them welcome. But if it's not social, food usually isn't included.

Ah so if you get there and marry, a formal wedding is in the works, crowds and all.

I am out of the habit of doing art now too, but I may take it back up once again. Disability is what stopped me, but I've regained so much ability at this point I could once again as well as play a musical instrument. For about 25 years I could do neither. Oh yes, it was in large part due to that visiting world expert. They made the dept just for her; it was quite the coup for a low income state college. She was one of those very special magical teachers there never are enough of too, on top of the expertise.

Pretty much. It helps if you're also not insisting on doing the same things over and over long after learning they don't work well too. But moving forward and growing is the definition of maturing.

It is very confusing to experience too and usually involve trivial random moments of life, small time jumps of a min. to maybe a half hour. I was surprised to learn though they aren't that uncommon, nor are people who do have premonitions. I have less of those now than when I was younger. I have more of the other kinds, the just knowing and the dream kind. Those are far more useful anyway.

Even for me, someone who gets the message in it's entirety is truly rare and a treasure. It's good to know there are many others out there at my level and I don't have to delineate so much and don't have to guess if what seems obvious to me is even apparent to them. But no matter who we are, how and what level we function at, we all want to be understood. Even critters other than humans.

It's not the dreams that fade quickly that matter, beyond the normal work of dreams to help the brain process daily data and lay memories, but the truly vivid ones that are remembered for a day or more. Those are the ones to figure out. Remember they are symbolic, not literal and every element in them may have a meaning.

If it gets incorporated into future generations, that is a good question. At what point does knowledge passed down that way get ingrained as instinct, universal to an entire species and beyond? At this point the answer is unknown.

You certainly aren't lacking in imagination. rofl rofl rofl Heh, more like someone thought they looked like deer caught in the headlights and the name stuck.

I think I recently started getting active on net when gaia started. I just followed the anime stuff

My parents would go- something to drink at least is important, give them water at least if you dont have anything else. No one should come to your door and leave hungry and thirsty. And I know how crazy it is as once I was at my grandparents' place, a homeless man just came and knocked at our door and very politely asked if he can have some tea? My aunts made him a cup and gave him some cookies to eat along with it, and considered it a great fortune to get to do that

Unfortunately yeah, I got no choice but to suffer. Like I would argue hard and have them have a small wedding, but their small wedding would be same as average person's idea of a big one

Aww, thats sad, but glad that you are getting better! Unfortunately in my case, its just phone and laptop. Same reason as to why I dont read anymore. And I know exactly what you mean, I had an art teacher like that! Amazing and knowledgeable person. She won an award the year I was there

Yeah, stubborn people who think they know it all, tend to be most immature for that reason

I drift off a lot, but I dont think I ever experienced something like that. Though I can again blame technology for lesser numbers, if you are distracted all the time, you miss things

True, even someone who is willing to try is a rare gift! People asking what you mean over assuming worst alone are great friend materials. And quite true, though to someone like me, being understood can also be a scary thing

Even with those, I often just remember stories for a little while. A few times an interesting concept, which I wrote down afterwards and then after I forgot the dream, I just get confused by what I wrote. I remember when I was stuck in a game with some puzzle, I would have dreams about it, sometimes I would even find a solution. I would remember that for a while, but I think thats the limit of my vivid dreams...just things I am interested in. I would say the same for my adventurous dreams, I like adventures

I wonder if we would ever understand human brain and behavior completely. Sometimes it feels like we are a bit like current AI (and not real one). Just something that gets polished over and over till we cant tell it apart from real thing

blaugh The headlights thing makes so much more sense!

Oh that's interesting. It just so happens I was pretty new to the net at the point I came to Gaia too; only having been on it for a bit less than a year. I do recall that back then anime was a huge draw for new Gaia members. Why were you so late in coming online? For me it was the aforementioned lost fine motor control and regaining it. So even being able to be online at all was such a joy and the things it opened up at the time.

I was reflecting on what you've said of your family tradition and I've noticed in entertainment and literature from around the world that doing this seems to be the cultural norm for English, but not other cultures that I've seen. Is there a connection there?

In that case, should you be so fortunate to meet the right one you wish to spend a life with, may as well let your parents and hers/his have their way and invite enough people to fill a city. mrgreen It's joyful in any case to make that commitment.

When I think of all those lost years, but then the past is past, done. They don't matter expect as experiences and unhealed emotional issues, lessons learned and fond memories to cherish. What matters is the present and future. So I work hard to insure those are the best possible. And I did work very hard to find the solution that healed me; stubbornness paid off truly. Plus it set me up with the road map when other serious health issues happened to find the way through when simply letting the doctors do it utterly failed.

We are all blessed when such teachers cross our paths. And sadly such teachers are all too often hamstrung by the education system and burn out. It's not so bad at the college level, but if Trump has his way, we are in for a true censorship nightmare.

Modern media, phone, tablet and computer is the reason many stopped doing art off those, especially in younger generations. You're not alone in that. Playing online takes huge chunks of daily time, leaving little for other stuff.

Or at least tedious and difficult at the very least! They can't admit to their mistakes, even to themselves.

Even drifting off or preoccupied, there is no mistaking a premonition. They come from nowhere and take over full attention! You've likely not had one (and you're not alone in this). I think many people have a gut feeling that something is about to happen; that is usually the subconscious putting together some things it picked up that wasn't consciously noticed and sending out a heads up. Sometimes the information wasn't there in the present and those are true premonitions experienced the same way. It's pretty common for many. What I experience is another level totally and there is no mistaking it. Yet while this form is not as common, it isn't totally unknown either; I've come across many others who have this ability.

I've noticed with many people, being truly seen is terrifying. They so want to be understood while not being seen. Why is it with you? Finding those who are comfortable being seen, their true self under everything is such a joy. Warning, people who are that way, myself included usually also see others for who they truly are plus all the layers on top. For us, it's a bit of a minefield to figure out where to place focus, on the surface or engage with the entire person. Most people have no idea of how wonderful they really are underneath all the learned stuff. Sometimes I come across someone who at their core is someone to be avoided at all costs, like Trump as a clear example. If you could feel your true self, you'd want it to shine, and be seen clearly.

Solving stuff in dreams is useful. I hear of people who are working on stuff and the answer comes in a dream. I likely have done it once or twice but I no longer recall those. Mostly I just set aside something and let my hindbrain work on it and voila, the perfect solution will appear. Usually at totally inopportune times, like 4 am or in the middle of cooking dinner or taking a shower, some place I can do nothing about it but hope to remember it later. Fortunately most times I do. Gotta love intuition! In ave. dreams I too dream in themes recently enjoyed on TV or read; sci fi, action adventure type stuff sometimes. Few dreams are vivid though and the really fun ones that are often have layers of meaning.

It's all perception. And when it comes to understanding the brain, scientifically we still know very very little. Experientially, individually and in group, we know a tiny bit more but it's so wrapped up in belief explanations so that too gets distorted. So most of it is still a mystery and the bits known are polished up brightly indeed as you phrased it.

Here's to the tiny cute bird with the terrible name!

Idk, Naruto and Bleach items have been some of the oldest items on here. My parents didnt really believe in technology much so I got everything later than my peers, my days were mostly full of studying and sports anyway. Any extra time would get eaten away by some other activity

There is a bit of cultural thing to it, but idk how much of it is english. Plus, I dont see many other people around us doing that much, but both my mom and my dad's side of family share these values so it cant be that uncommon. But it could also be that grandfathers on both side of my families were pretty important and extremely respected people and it would be shameful for them to turn a person in need away. For a bit complicated reasons, my dad had to build things again from ground up, but those values are an important legacy he had to carry

Yeah, I am already losing spirit thinking about that happening XD

That must be specially tough for someone with as good of memory as you. Grit really is one of the most important things in the world. Getting up even after getting knocked down over and over, even if things dont work out in the end, there is a merit to that struggle alone

Seriously, I worry about education these days when people who are anti-intellectuals are making the decisions of what should be taught and how. Teachers were struggling as it is before this BS

My machine isnt even good enough to play much games, but still so many distractions! Avi making is a good creative outlet for me though. Like I did make an avi a long while ago when I was not in very good mood, but havent had the chance to polish it and use it yet

YES!! They would get loud and try to go for a narrative that no one other than themselves is buying

Yeah, its such a foreign concept to me that its hard for me to even wrap my head around it. Deja vu is probably the closest thing I experienced and its not nearly the same thing

Hard to say, could be a lot of things, like I dont like to be very vulnerable, or more than being understood, I just dont want to be misunderstood. Plus if I am truly understood by someone, they probably understand me better than I understand myself and thats a scary thought! Though it could be that I am more similar to Trump in a way. I do feel sympathy and even a bit of empathy towards seriously evil characters like Joffrey Baratheon from Game of Thrones

I believe there is a reason for that. When you are stuck on something, just trying to push your way through it doesnt help much. You got to drain your brain of it and either clear it or do something that occupies your brain in another way. Thats why those eureka moments often come in bathtub. You do seem to have very good introverted intuition at least. I really wish to have that talent. My dreams till now never had those layers, except a common theme- I dont like to lose

Do you think we would be able to understand our brain completely in our life time? If we are getting close enough to install chips in our brain, technology might catch up at exponential rate

XD

So back in 05, you were still a teen essentially, thus your parents decided your access to tech, etc.

If you live in the US, chances are people who live around you come from many cultures and ethnicities. Even those from Ireland or Scotland don't seem to automatically offer food to everyone who comes to the door. But there may be those from certain religious groups or churches who do too. It might be interesting for you to explore the origins of that tradition in your family.

Spirit? The wedding is just a one day event. What it symbolizes lasts a lifetime.

Actually that memory helps. It keeps me from getting totally discouraged and giving in, knowing I can keep going and make things better.

I think most of us do. This situation is even worse than during the McCarthy years or at the very least just as bad. Both times routinely ignored most constitutional rights and sought to control how people think by way of heavy censorship. This time however the net means all information can't be suppressed so completely as back then. Back then even the news was forced to take the official government line; Trump is trying but not succeeding so far in that at least. So his group is discrediting any source that doesn't agree with him and alas that's working as well as the tactics used back then. Yeah, it's a scary situation.

Heh, even those of us who aren't hugely into video games have more than enough distractions to fill the time. But when you are an invalid, it helps greatly quality of life. Yeah, avi making is a great creative outlet and one huge reason I stay on Gaia over the years.

Oh people buy it. Just look at Trump or know it alls on social media. Amazing as that seems.

Never think that any of us can know it all; or experience it all or even experience what others do that seem impossible. So many mysteries of both the human mind and the universe in general and how it all fits together. It does allow for premonitions and physics has always claimed that time isn't linear even though people experience it that way (mostly). It's been an interesting exploration to figure out why and the nature of time and of this ability. I do have bits of the why now and much theory.

Being open about yourself and not hiding at first is a naked vulnerable feeling. But soon it's very freeing and empowering. You become a force to reckon with, one that can make much beneficial change. Just have to make that first terrifying step and in the process defy all social expectations you learned along the way. I speak from experience. How people related to me once I did that truly changed, how they reacted to me. And it was all positive.

Having empathy for those who are villains is not uncommon either for compassionate people. Make no mistake, even really bad people like Trump are paying a price for all of their actions even if they don't realize what they're cutting themselves off from in the process; it's that cutting off that is a truly horrible price. He's not capable of love or affection or compassion, can't connect with others, cares only what people can give him. Imagine never being able to feel caring or love of another towards you or you towards another. How lonely and stunted that is. But even feeling sympathy for a villain, I still want the harm they do to stop and I still don't want them in my life.

Oh yes. Trying too hard at anything just gets in the way; you end up blocking all your creative potential that lies beneath. Sure you aren't intuitive? Few who aren't ever get this. Just trust that if your subconscious ever really needs to get a message to your waking mind, your dream will be unusually interesting and the message will keep repeating either in a recurring dream or overall theme that you'll remember well until you get it.

Not a chance. In fact I suspect we never will fully understand it. It won't stop people from melding tech and biology and hoping it works even if the why is never fully understood.

[babyyyme2005]

glengrin

hello lady smile .. come on just to stop and say hi to you .. hope all is good your way now?

i am in the new apt and was able to get moved before the 30th of last month so i didn't have to worry about owing her anything ..she sent me a letter telling me that there was nothing wrong with the apt and i owe nothing .. funny how she put that i had not paid a deposit .. I could prove i did but why bother she put it in the first lease that it was nonrefundable ..she also wrote thank you for leaving the apt clean and in excellent condition.. well if nothing else it will be added to my paperwork as proof

it took us 2 days to get me moved , had to take 2 trips .. my couches about killed us !!! and my leg got scraped too sad its healing and i just seen my Dr a few days ago .. I have all these small nicks all over my hands.. fingers .. i got a new bed frame, a fabric dresser .. cat tree and a patio set .. all have to be put together with allen wrenches ... but i got it all together and i am about 95% unpacked and put away

so months later and with all the stress and 2 moves ... I am happy to say I love my new place .. its so much bigger and in a nicer place and nicer area ..no more having to get the bus to go do the wash ( unless we need to do blankets ...and then i will get to go see Johna )

I am putting my patio together ... I have some plants but want more .. I will have pops of blue all over when i am done .. and i want to grow some pet grass for bruno .. he loves it
i do have to do some stuff like SSI and Des ,, i will start to work on that tomorrow.. first i have to get proof and get it scanned so i can send it in online.. I need to call SSI and get a appt because they no longer take walk ins ...always stuff to do .. and i want to go see Johna .. and i did not tell tracy and his wife i moved until after i got moved .. i just did not want them helping and i know they would come even if i told them not to...so it was just done.. they want me to go to dinner with them one night ... zachary is going to go camping next month with the scouts and without us ...so we are going to go play bingo and tracy and loretta are going to go with us

well i better to so i can get to bed.. lots to do tomorrow.. hopw you and the hubby are doing well smile

[glengrin]

babyyyme2005

glengrin

hello lady smile .. come on just to stop and say hi to you .. hope all is good your way now?

i am in the new apt and was able to get moved before the 30th of last month so i didn't have to worry about owing her anything ..she sent me a letter telling me that there was nothing wrong with the apt and i owe nothing .. funny how she put that i had not paid a deposit .. I could prove i did but why bother she put it in the first lease that it was nonrefundable ..she also wrote thank you for leaving the apt clean and in excellent condition.. well if nothing else it will be added to my paperwork as proof

it took us 2 days to get me moved , had to take 2 trips .. my couches about killed us !!! and my leg got scraped too sad its healing and i just seen my Dr a few days ago .. I have all these small nicks all over my hands.. fingers .. i got a new bed frame, a fabric dresser .. cat tree and a patio set .. all have to be put together with allen wrenches ... but i got it all together and i am about 95% unpacked and put away

so months later and with all the stress and 2 moves ... I am happy to say I love my new place .. its so much bigger and in a nicer place and nicer area ..no more having to get the bus to go do the wash ( unless we need to do blankets ...and then i will get to go see Johna )

I am putting my patio together ... I have some plants but want more .. I will have pops of blue all over when i am done .. and i want to grow some pet grass for bruno .. he loves it
i do have to do some stuff like SSI and Des ,, i will start to work on that tomorrow.. first i have to get proof and get it scanned so i can send it in online.. I need to call SSI and get a appt because they no longer take walk ins ...always stuff to do .. and i want to go see Johna .. and i did not tell tracy and his wife i moved until after i got moved .. i just did not want them helping and i know they would come even if i told them not to...so it was just done.. they want me to go to dinner with them one night ... zachary is going to go camping next month with the scouts and without us ...so we are going to go play bingo and tracy and loretta are going to go with us

well i better to so i can get to bed.. lots to do tomorrow.. hopw you and the hubby are doing well smile

Hi there.

I wish, been dealing with Ol Murphey again; damn Murphey's Law!

I finally got past the fallout from the paint fumes which is good; just a bit of a cough once in a while as the whole thing left me extra sensitive to any irritant in the air and my energy is starting to return. So of course other stuff started to go wrong. A few weeks ago I saw my dentist and I needed some work done; a cracked filling and another looking odd underneath, both very old fillings; maybe 40 years or more. So I made the appointment to return. A few days before that, my husband picked up a call saying my dentist was out sick and the appointment would be remade when he returned. My husband did not recognize the voice, just a slight Asian accent. The following Friday she called again as he had a routine checkup appointment. This time I picked up and found out what is really going on. The person calling was his wife; he had a stroke just 2 days after my checkup and had been in the hospital for a week and is now in rehab. Unfortunately it's his right hand that is affected so if he can't get it fully back, he may be forced to retire. So I have dental work that needs doing, possibly need to find another dentist. I am drug sensitive so the proper mix of anesthesia in the shots is very different for me than standard so I hope we can access my records for the notes on that. My old dentist was very gentle; I hope he does recover and I don't need a new one. I've been with him since the late 90s.

The day I learned of his stroke, we were expecting a delivery of a storage platform for under the bed. It's really nice, even nicer than the catalog picture. But the old one needed disassembling and removing before the new one could be installed. My husband and the furniture guy were working on it when I hear glass shattering and "s**t" from the next room. I thought oh no, they did hit the light fixture on the ceiling fan. Nope, they were careful of that and managed to miss it. Instead a piece of the old platform went through the bedroom window, shattering it. So the window is cardboarded over until the new window is installed. No insulation as a result with record temps, both low highs and highs, still huge 30 degree bounces going on.

The next day we went to a meetup of friends about 90 miles away. We knew Mother's Day would be horrible traffic so we chose the day before. Well; it took us 3 1/2 hours of stop and go traffic to get there (normally about an hour 15 min trip) so we arrived over 2 hours late and exhausted. And get this, there were no accidents tying up traffic, just the usual insane amount of construction work, many closed routes forcing more cars on fewer open ones that also have construction on them. While at the park, some of us opted to go on a walk around a pond. At first all was fine but to stay going around the pond we took a small side trail. It turned out it wasn't a park sanctioned trail so totally unmaintained. It was very narrow, at it's widest at the beginning, about a foot across. Things got worse the further we went in with it as narrow as 2 inches or totally grown over with thorny dangerous invasive plants like thistle (I'm allergic to it too), stinging nettle, plus native poison oak and wild berry vines to add to the fun. By the time we realized we were in trouble, it would have been much further to go back than to press on. I won't be doing THAT again! It was only a 2 hour 10 min. drive home (still an extra hour but still). However when we got there, we found out one of the cats had thrown up in a couple of rooms in several spots. My husband got that cleaned up while I cleaned me up from lots of thorn pricks, dust and sweat, and cleaned up our stuff. Exhausted, we were ready to settle down to watch some tv when the first huge ant invasion of over 2 years hit big time. So we spent an hour dealing with that and as it was dark, the trail wasn't found until yesterday. So ant free for now. BUT it rained overnight and we use diatomaceous earth to keep ants out as it's nontoxic and harmless to wildlife. But it stops working when it gets wet. So we're waiting for things to dry out to put down a new barrier. So far though the ants have not returned.

As I said, Murphy's Law. sigh...

We'll see if things stop going wrong now.

I'm really glad your new place is working out so well. You really worked hard to get there and good for you lady, doing all that stuff on your own. That's impressive. And new stuff for a new place. I know you're loving it. Hopefully soon, you'll be ready to dive into more routine life once again. I hope the scrape is healing, always a concern with diabetes.

Dinner invitations are always nice; given how busy you are, a night not having to cook sounds like just the thing.

Oh speaking of which, I found a place nearby that has great ribs and it also comes with a really good salad for a good meal. It's not one of those bbq places that are all meat and potatoes with over smoked oak wood meats that people seem to love that tastes to me like ash. This restaurant slow smokes their ribs in what tastes like mesquite with St. Louis bbq sauce. Delicious and I've been enjoying it sometimes after one of our nature walks.