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Misty Moonsilver
The states should be able to decide. Plain and simple. The majority of people in Utah voted against this so why shove it down their throats???


Because that's tyranny of the majority.

51% can't vote to strip 49% of their rights. Read Ayn Rand.

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The states should be able to decide. Plain and simple. The majority of people in Utah voted against this so why shove it down their throats???

Because it is a human rights issue brought on by a religious institution that illegally donates to political parties. Just because it's supported by the majority does not make it right and preventing gay marriage is no different from preventing interracial marriage.

Did you seriously just compare ethnicity to sexuality?
They really are nothing alike. That's like comparing a child born with no legs to a nudist.

Discrimination is discrimination. How is this any different from refusing to marry people of different races?

Because ethnicity and heritage is nothing like sexuality. I cannot change my blood or my genes. There is so much that comes with one's ethnic background-- hereditary things even--heart disease, obesity etc.
There is no such thing as a gay gene for example.
Homosexuality is VERY different from race/ethnicity in a number of ways.

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The states should be able to decide. Plain and simple. The majority of people in Utah voted against this so why shove it down their throats???

Because it is a human rights issue brought on by a religious institution that illegally donates to political parties. Just because it's supported by the majority does not make it right and preventing gay marriage is no different from preventing interracial marriage.

Did you seriously just compare ethnicity to sexuality?
They really are nothing alike. That's like comparing a child born with no legs to a nudist.

Discrimination is discrimination. How is this any different from refusing to marry people of different races?

Because ethnicity and heritage is nothing like sexuality. I cannot change my blood or my genes. There is so much that comes with one's ethnic background-- hereditary things even--heart disease, obesity etc.
There is no such thing as a gay gene for example.
Homosexuality is VERY different from race/ethnicity in a number of ways.


People can't change their sexual orientation either. stare What, did you think they just woke up one morning and said to themselves "I think I'll be gay from now on, just for the hell of it."

And there has been some scientific research into homosexuality being genetic.
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The states should be able to decide. Plain and simple. The majority of people in Utah voted against this so why shove it down their throats???

Because it is a human rights issue brought on by a religious institution that illegally donates to political parties. Just because it's supported by the majority does not make it right and preventing gay marriage is no different from preventing interracial marriage.

Did you seriously just compare ethnicity to sexuality?
They really are nothing alike. That's like comparing a child born with no legs to a nudist.

Discrimination is discrimination. How is this any different from refusing to marry people of different races?

Because ethnicity and heritage is nothing like sexuality. I cannot change my blood or my genes. There is so much that comes with one's ethnic background-- hereditary things even--heart disease, obesity etc.
There is no such thing as a gay gene for example.
Homosexuality is VERY different from race/ethnicity in a number of ways.


Technically, ethnicity isn't genetic either. It's just a phenotype not a genotype. So there's no "black gene" just like there's no "gay gene".
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You are right in that there was quite a bit of ferocity in my post. My anger feels like the wraith of God reigning judgement on the most wicked, my hatred rising from the furthest depths of my soul, the passion of my beliefs and words as hot and scorching as hell fire. You all think that my usual display is hate but this is the real hate I have inside being brought to a boil. For such a loss to occur on such Christian soil is like being pierced through the heart a thousand times over and dying so many slow deaths as my body bleeds dry. Not a single provocation has shaken me to my very core like this has. I know my words carry heavy implications but this war has escalated and it is as if a nuclear bomb has just been detonated. I gave up being a pragmatists on this issue long ago. Middle ground simply cannot exists. You either have to be a traditionalists or a progressive. The world is being torn in two and only one side will be victorious. Each day there are new victories and losses but I fear how far the enemies are advancing.

Now moving on from the dramatic rhetoric if you have not noticed yet my inconsistent stance on this issue fluctuates with my mood. With India and Australia I was so happy I could not contain myself. I was jumping in jubilation. With the Jamaica incident I was feeling apathetic and indifferent. And with this well you can only imagine. I am always a calm an collective person, one never to show much emotion but especially not terrible emotions like these. They are not in my nature but this is how far I feel pushed at this point. It only upsets me more knowing I do not have the power to do anything about it. But now I am going to go into a long state of mourning. Something extremely precious and sacred to me, something that helped saved me from suicide when I was younger has been lost.


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he who is unrighteous -- let him be unrighteous still, and he who is filthy -- let him be filthy still, and he who is righteous -- let him be declared righteous still, and he who is sanctified -- let him be sanctified still:

YHUH's judgement will come upon them it's not our job, America will most likely fall soon anyways.


Leviticus 19:19
thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee

Leviticus 25:44-46
Thy bond-men and thy bond-maids which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you: of them shall ye buy bond-men and bond-maids. Moreover, of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land. And they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession, they shall be your bond-man forever.

Leviticus 11:7-8
And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you.

Leviticus 11:10
But anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is detestable to you.

Leviticus 19:27
You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.

Hey snooty holier than thou guy, I sure hope you follow all of this at the same time as you call fire down on harmless consensual relationships between two grown adults.
I do actually follow the laws so I guess jokes on you once again. As for Leviticus 25: 44-46 I don't live in Yahsra'el.


Ok phony lol, whatever you say.

But let's take this another step.
Do you think people who eat crabs and shrimp deserve to burn in the lake of hell you don't actually believe in? XD
Are you an idiot? Who said I don't believe in the lake of fire. Crabs and shrimp are unclean creatures there's a reason we're not to eat them. If people want to be filthy let them be filthy. The Messiah never dined on swine or crab. People will be judged accordingly.
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The states should be able to decide. Plain and simple. The majority of people in Utah voted against this so why shove it down their throats???

Because it is a human rights issue brought on by a religious institution that illegally donates to political parties. Just because it's supported by the majority does not make it right and preventing gay marriage is no different from preventing interracial marriage.

Did you seriously just compare ethnicity to sexuality?
They really are nothing alike. That's like comparing a child born with no legs to a nudist.

Discrimination is discrimination. How is this any different from refusing to marry people of different races?

Because ethnicity and heritage is nothing like sexuality. I cannot change my blood or my genes. There is so much that comes with one's ethnic background-- hereditary things even--heart disease, obesity etc.
There is no such thing as a gay gene for example.
Homosexuality is VERY different from race/ethnicity in a number of ways.

An interesting but wrong argument. There have been several studies linking biology and homosexuality. For example, the index finger on a make is usually shorter on men unless there is a dip in testosterone. Women usually have the inverse as do gay men. This is developmental in the womb. There are also disorders and diseases that are more common in homosexuals such as schizophrenia in gay men. So there is a hormone link and several toward genetics. One that a person cannot help. The other thing that is worth mentioning is that there isn't even a huge genetic difference between races. The color of one's skin reflects where his/her ancestors were in relation to the equator. People with darker skin needed more protection while people with lighter skin needed to absorb more Vitamin D. The difference between black and white is virtually the difference between blond and brunette in genetics.

So either way, Homosexuality is shown to be biological while race is more aesthetic than genetic. But let's assume you're right. Let's assume that homosexuality was a choice. Then why would that matter? You seem to defend the Mormons on this issue, but religion is a 100% choice. Even if someone is a teenager and is forced to go to church, that doesn't prevent them from being atheists or going Pagan. Yet despite that it's a choice, religion is protected from discrimination as long as they obey the law. So why would homosexuality being a choice be any different?

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Hearing that this could happen in the second most Christian state in this country pisses me off beyond belief! It has me shaking uncontrollably. I thought it was a joke. How the ******** could this happen??? I know the governor is definitely going to appeal this decision. Homosexuals deserve the worst of the worst for their disgusting and perverse way of life. God must find some country in which homosexuals will be punished for this. The now imprisonment of homosexuals in Uganda was certainly punishment for homosexuals doing what they did in New Mexico. Lord please punish these heathens one hundred times fold! Make Earth a living hell for them! They desecrate the sanctity of marriage and the sanctity of family and they are doing this and making a fool out of you in a place which is so devout to you. Please do not forsake the Christians in Utah who you know will be weeping greatly tonight.


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It would be fantastic if everyone could report the hell out of this a*****e.
Yeah, but then we'd have to report darn near everybody here who has ever expressed negative feelings towards any third parties, such as the suggestions we made regarding that Welsh child rapist. Just ignore Ikari like most of us do.

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The states should be able to decide. Plain and simple. The majority of people in Utah voted against this so why shove it down their throats???

Because it is a human rights issue brought on by a religious institution that illegally donates to political parties. Just because it's supported by the majority does not make it right and preventing gay marriage is no different from preventing interracial marriage.

Did you seriously just compare ethnicity to sexuality?
They really are nothing alike. That's like comparing a child born with no legs to a nudist.

Discrimination is discrimination. How is this any different from refusing to marry people of different races?

Because ethnicity and heritage is nothing like sexuality. I cannot change my blood or my genes. There is so much that comes with one's ethnic background-- hereditary things even--heart disease, obesity etc.
There is no such thing as a gay gene for example.
Homosexuality is VERY different from race/ethnicity in a number of ways.

An interesting but wrong argument. There have been several studies linking biology and homosexuality. For example, the index finger on a make is usually shorter on men unless there is a dip in testosterone. Women usually have the inverse as do gay men. This is developmental in the womb. There are also disorders and diseases that are more common in homosexuals such as schizophrenia in gay men. So there is a hormone link and several toward genetics. One that a person cannot help. The other thing that is worth mentioning is that there isn't even a huge genetic difference between races. The color of one's skin reflects where his/her ancestors were in relation to the equator. People with darker skin needed more protection while people with lighter skin needed to absorb more Vitamin D. The difference between black and white is virtually the difference between blond and brunette in genetics.

So either way, Homosexuality is shown to be biological while race is more aesthetic than genetic. But let's assume you're right. Let's assume that homosexuality was a choice. Then why would that matter? You seem to defend the Mormons on this issue, but religion is a 100% choice. Even if someone is a teenager and is forced to go to church, that doesn't prevent them from being atheists or going Pagan. Yet despite that it's a choice, religion is protected from discrimination as long as they obey the law. So why would homosexuality being a choice be any different?

You can say that homosexuality is biological all you want but I still don't think you can compare it to ethnicity. (Ethnicity is far more than my finger being shorter than another. I cannot hide my ethnicity. Ever. Whereas a gay man can walk into a store and avoid discrimination completely because there is nothing that would indicate his sexuality. I had friends that I didn't know were gay.) You mentioned genetics so are you saying that if a gay woman gets sperm from wherever and has a child, it will be homosexual?
And you mention diseases and mental illnesses found in gays specifically... perhaps that has to do with their sexuality and the anguish of their sexuality rather than genetics.
Assuming that homosexuality is a choice, it would still make sense to let each state decide. This is much like the Uganda thread. Each state has laws that should cater to its people and their situations so if the people voted against gay marriage, having it overturned by a court is a huge slap in the face.
Think about this: Say a state that voted to allow gay marriage got it. Then a few years later some court ruled and approved a ban on it. Slap in the face.

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Prince Ikari
Homosexuals deserve the worst of the worst for their disgusting and perverse way of life.


*drums fingers* What DO I deserve, jack? I wanna hear it...

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Make Earth a living hell for them!


And to that I say, bring it on. Make my ******** day.

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Prince Ikari


You are right in that there was quite a bit of ferocity in my post. My anger feels like the wraith of God reigning judgement on the most wicked, my hatred rising from the furthest depths of my soul, the passion of my beliefs and words as hot and scorching as hell fire. You all think that my usual display is hate but this is the real hate I have inside being brought to a boil.


Glad your true colors show in spite of your little civilized act.

Once again, people like you are why I'm a second amendment advocate.

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I know my words carry heavy implications but this war has escalated and it is as if a nuclear bomb has just been detonated. I gave up being a pragmatists on this issue long ago. Middle ground simply cannot exists. You either have to be a traditionalists or a progressive. The world is being torn in two and only one side will be victorious. Each day there are new victories and losses but I fear how far the enemies are advancing.


Fine by me. If the planet ain't big enough for the two of us, it ain't big enough.

To you and your ilk, I simply say "Come and get me...."

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Prince Ikari
You are very right about that. This has always been such an emotionally charged issue that brings out the passions in both sides. I just need control mine better lest I say something I should not but I find it incredibly hard to do so. I am just too damn strongly opinionated and I put far more of my being into my causes then I should. I rarely share it with people up here but outside of this site I suffer from a debilitating chronic illness and when I let my feelings get this way I always end up getting very sick. Luckily there was once a man named Bach to compose soothing music the calms the rough seas of my soul. I want to avoid any gut-wrenching colon bleeding while I am still too sick to inject my medications from a cold. Unfortunately though all sides cannot be satisfied with the decisions. The legal system always produces winners and losers. It is alright I suppose. I am not happy about it but there are still things in my life to be happy about and things to look forward to in the future.

You are also right as far as compromise is concerned. We are two people firmly entrenched in our beliefs. Trying to get us to budge would be like moving a mountain with the single touch of a finger. And thank you for your kind words. While I may have been overly-hyped earlier I bear you no ill will either. And if you would like clarification I am willing to admit I took my words too far. I do not agree with it all but I do not wish pain and torture upon people. It would be inhuman and un-Christian of me to do so. And no worries. That was nearly ten years ago. It was however the dreams of a happier future one day with a loving wife and children that encouraged me to keep living.


Never occurs to you people that maybe what I want is something not too disimilar?

All I want is to marry the single woman I love, work an honest trade, maintain a property I can be proud of, and enjoy very simple pleasures from the fruit of that labor the rest of my days.

You try to take that away from me? You best be prepared to spill someone's blood for it; mine or yours. If it goes to that, either me or the people who want to take it are going to die. One of the two.

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YahuShalum
But some people just aren't called to be set apart for salvation. .


That's very liberating. If those of us not among the elect are truly damned no matter what, nothing we do matters. twisted No guilt. No worries. Our fate is set regardless. Thank you.
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But some people just aren't called to be set apart for salvation. .


That's very liberating. If those of us not among the elect are truly damned no matter what, nothing we do matters. twisted No guilt. No worries. Our fate is set regardless. Thank you.
You're welcome. lol I stand by my revelation quote that people are gonna do what people are gonna do.

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But some people just aren't called to be set apart for salvation. .


That's very liberating. If those of us not among the elect are truly damned no matter what, nothing we do matters. twisted No guilt. No worries. Our fate is set regardless. Thank you.
You're welcome. lol I stand by my revelation quote that people are gonna do what people are gonna do.


Seriously, I find this whole "some are set apart for salvation" notion extremely liberating. That's the purest reason for hedonism I ever heard.
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The states should be able to decide. Plain and simple. The majority of people in Utah voted against this so why shove it down their throats???

Because it is a human rights issue brought on by a religious institution that illegally donates to political parties. Just because it's supported by the majority does not make it right and preventing gay marriage is no different from preventing interracial marriage.

Did you seriously just compare ethnicity to sexuality?
They really are nothing alike. That's like comparing a child born with no legs to a nudist.

Discrimination is discrimination. How is this any different from refusing to marry people of different races?

Because ethnicity and heritage is nothing like sexuality. I cannot change my blood or my genes. There is so much that comes with one's ethnic background-- hereditary things even--heart disease, obesity etc.
There is no such thing as a gay gene for example.
Homosexuality is VERY different from race/ethnicity in a number of ways.[/quote
You can't change your sexuality either, but then you already knew that, and you're just trolling.

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