[10/05/22] Should Monthly Collectibles be re-released?

Do you think the old school Monthly Collectibles should be re-released?

Yes	54.9%	[ 2464 ]
Yes, but not the envelopes	20.3%	[ 911 ]
No	14.5%	[ 649 ]
Indifferent	10.3%	[ 461 ]
Total Votes:			[ 4485 ]

[smileyteaspoon]

Yes to re-releasing! I took years to get my penguin slippers but if a bunch were to come out tomorrow and prices went to 1 plat each, that's ok and I'm excited for users to be able to wear them. They're just pixels.

However, if people are worried that their 03 hoards are going to evaporate, then the the idea of re-releasing MCs but with a separate designation, like Angelic Halo RM (remastered) or something would be a good compromise (but with the same pixels).

[Haji Demon]

Yes, but please in a way that doesnt increase their prices tenfold

[Kitilyn]

No. I don't think the old MC's should be re-released. Way back when this site first started, the MC's were a way for us Gaians to help keep it going. It was like "Hey if you support us we'll give you this really neat one of a kind collector's item!" and to re-release those is kind of like a slap in the face. I hated it when previous management did it because it felt like all of us that have been here from the beginning were told "Your support and belief in us never matted. Only your money does."

Now making new MC's and releasing those I could get behind. I'd support that. Re-releasing the old ones...No. Like somebody else said, it's a slap in the face to those of us who contributed and have stuck around from the beginning. I mean if you're gonna re-release the old MC's why not just go through the entire user database, pull the profiles that have been defunct for 5+ years and just release those invos?
Continuing the Insanity ~Kiti~

[AmG00gle]

Re release them kill the market make deflation a thing.
It’s very simple. You take and do mc’s again and the market drops deflation happens and the staff will finally do something right for the community. It will make the site more enjoyable for your player base.

[Strawbaerry]

Queen Long Money

▉ ▉ ▉ ▉ ▉ ▉ ▉ ▉ ▉ ▉ ♛ Queen's ✘ don't chase. ✪

gaia_angelleft gaia_crown gaia_angelright

The issue with breaking a promise/commitment (which you have already done) is where does it stop?

Will you then start releasing custom items that people have paid thousands in cash or quadrillions in plat and waited 4-5 years for? That is so shady.

And to piggyback off someone else's comment on the Flaired Up ticket, that inflated price you placed on it is highway robbery. It is like your committed loyal user base keeps getting the short end of the stick. It is sad.

Do not re-release, but continue the MC tradition with new ones, give us something to look forward to.

► That's how your Crown Falls off! ♛▉ ▉ ▉ ▉ ▉ ▉ ▉ ▉ ▉ ▉

With the trend Gaia is going towards, that might be a possibility. Since sponsor items are out of the equation, they'll look for something else.
The rule for the Platinum Ticket that states "No other copies of your doll will ever be sold or distributed". should just be removed or edited with something like "But Gaia will eventually rerelease it anyway after a few years even if we promised not to do so". lol

[Iron Knight Dante]

Part of me thinks that it'd be a nice way for people to be able to experience the items that represent Gaia's past, specially since many old users came back due to nostalgia. Some, like the OMG Hat, the Angelic Halo or the Demon Horns are quite iconic and representative of Gaia's history, and if I remember correctly some items (most notably the Angelic Halo) have been previously re-released in one way or another. People deserve to be able to enjoy them.

But part of me thinks that re-releasing them as-is wouldn't level the playing field for everyone involved. Allow me to explain.

I remember the days when MCs were the backbone of the Gaia economy. Investing in stuff is always a gamble and many of the Letters and MCs I hoarded since the late 00s are pretty much worthless nowadays, but there was a sense of "safety" knowing that there was stuff that wouldn't lose it's value (or at least not completely). It's a promise that wasn't guaranteed for even basic things like the old Gold or the new Platinum, for example. And it was fair for both ends of the transaction: Gaia was a relatively small business in the Wild West days of the Internet which could use the userbase's money to keep afloat and flourish, while the users (many of which were on the younger side and couldn't buy things online as easily as nowadays) would get cool items that in a pinch could be sold off for a gold headstart. After MCs, other items that could be valuable enough to be worth holding onto were things like high-end EIs, or certain event items (back in the day, Halloween 2K5 items were top-of-the-line for this, but the Resistance Mask from 06 or the Durem Shirt from the 07 Water Festival also apply).

But nowadays the backbone of the economy is a different one. Things have changed a lot since the old days, new items are released incredibly frequently for either very high prices or RL money, and for the people who want to get items that aren't available on the MP anymore re-releasing MCs would only solve a very small part of the issue. There's almost 20 years' worth of history on this website to sift through, and many of those items will never get a chance to be released again. I sure don't expect to get a Water Meat anytime soon, that's for sure.

And all of this is not even considering that what will probably happen is that if the items get released once more, people will buy them en-masse, then keep them in their inventories until they're scarce and valuable once again. Old habits die hard, after all.

The solution? I can think of a few.

* Make them identical-yet-separate items, in a similar way to the different Generations for Evolving Items, so that the original ones can "keep their value" for those who want to play a numbers game instead of enjoying the items for what they are. If someone wants to have an original '04 Ninja Band because it's more valuable than a '24 Ninja Band then they can chase after it, but if someone wants to cosplay Kakashi they can go after the new one rather than the vintage one. Worst case scenario, all you have to do is add a release date to the item description and that'd be enough to make them distinguishable from one another.

* Do what you did with the 2008 Anniversary Sashes, the Potatoverseer and Sentinel skins, or the zOMG rings and make them soulbound/account-locked. In Team Fortress 2 it's possible (or at least it used to be possible) to buy certain cosmetic items as they are, for a reasonable price, and without having to gamble using resources (keys or metal). They cannot be traded to other users or used for crafting, so they're strictly used for cosmetic reasons since they have little to no value in the community market.

* Make them slightly different. You already tried this with recolors and have seen that they work wonderfully, if the twelve dozen Ancient Katana, Demon Horns/Tail and Ninja Band knockoffs have anything to say about it. This is less than ideal, but it's been tested already and we know it's serviceable. Plus, you can make slight adjustments to them that might not have been possible in the past (such as adapting them to newer avatar bases or adjusting color schemes).

This is strictly regarding MCs. Thank You Letters should stay out of the equation completely, as they were originally meant as a way for Gaia to thank it's users. Nowadays this isn't a donation rewarded with an item, it's a standard microtransaction/purchase and the middle step is completely unnecesary.

[Queen Long Money]

Iron Knight Dante

color=darkred]Part of me thinks that it'd be a nice way for people to be able to experience the items that represent Gaia's past, specially since many old users came back due to nostalgia. Some, like the OMG Hat, the Angelic Halo or the Demon Horns are quite iconic and representative of Gaia's history, and if I remember correctly some items (most notably the Angelic Halo) have been previously re-released in one way or another. People deserve to be able to enjoy them.

But part of me thinks that re-releasing them as-is wouldn't level the playing field for everyone involved. Allow me to explain.

I remember the days when MCs were the backbone of the Gaia economy. Investing in stuff is always a gamble and many of the Letters and MCs I hoarded since the late 00s are pretty much worthless nowadays, but there was a sense of "safety" knowing that there was stuff that wouldn't lose it's value (or at least not completely). It's a promise that wasn't guaranteed for even basic things like the old Gold or the new Platinum, for example. And it was fair for both ends of the transaction: Gaia was a relatively small business in the Wild West days of the Internet which could use the userbase's money to keep afloat and flourish, while the users (many of which were on the younger side and couldn't buy things online as easily as nowadays) would get cool items that in a pinch could be sold off for a gold headstart. After MCs, other items that could be valuable enough to be worth holding onto were things like high-end EIs, or certain event items (back in the day, Halloween 2K5 items were top-of-the-line for this, but the Resistance Mask from 06 or the Durem Shirt from the 07 Water Festival also apply).

But nowadays the backbone of the economy is a different one. Things have changed a lot since the old days, new items are released incredibly frequently for either very high prices or RL money, and for the people who want to get items that aren't available on the MP anymore re-releasing MCs would only solve a very small part of the issue. There's almost 20 years' worth of history on this website to sift through, and many of those items will never get a chance to be released again. I sure don't expect to get a Water Meat anytime soon, that's for sure.

And all of this is not even considering that what will probably happen is that if the items get released once more, people will buy them en-masse, then keep them in their inventories until they're scarce and valuable once again. Old habits die hard, after all.

The solution? I can think of a few.

* Make them identical-yet-separate items, in a similar way to the different Generations for Evolving Items, so that the original ones can "keep their value" for those who want to play a numbers game instead of enjoying the items for what they are. If someone wants to have an original '04 Ninja Band because it's more valuable than a '24 Ninja Band then they can chase after it, but if someone wants to cosplay Kakashi they can go after the new one rather than the vintage one. Worst case scenario, all you have to do is add a release date to the item description and that'd be enough to make them distinguishable from one another.

* Do what you did with the 2008 Anniversary Sashes, the Potatoverseer and Sentinel skins, or the zOMG rings and make them soulbound/account-locked. In Team Fortress 2 it's possible (or at least it used to be possible) to buy certain cosmetic items as they are, for a reasonable price, and without having to gamble using resources (keys or metal). They cannot be traded to other users or used for crafting, so they're strictly used for cosmetic reasons since they have little to no value in the community market.

* Make them slightly different. You already tried this with recolors and have seen that they work wonderfully, if the twelve dozen Ancient Katana, Demon Horns/Tail and Ninja Band knockoffs have anything to say about it. This is less than ideal, but it's been tested already and we know it's serviceable. Plus, you can make slight adjustments to them that might not have been possible in the past (such as adapting them to newer avatar bases or adjusting color schemes).

This is strictly regarding MCs. Thank You Letters should stay out of the equation completely, as they were originally meant as a way for Gaia to thank it's users. Nowadays this isn't a donation rewarded with an item, it's a standard microtransaction/purchase and the middle step is completely unnecesary.

gaia_angelleft gaia_crown gaia_angelright

I like this guy right here!
Very well thought out and said. Kudos!!
(The watermeat line made me lol)

[Magically Clueless]

Do you think all Monthly Collectibles should be considered available for re-release? Or maybe just the ones that have already been re-released?
YES, ALL OF THEM!!!! The prices are insane and in the worst way because hardly anyone sells them. I finally gave up on the MCs I was after ages ago (and they weren't even super popular) because whenever there was a listing (which was like maybe twice a year) it was always for a ridiculous price that wasn't worth it.


Do you have any thoughts on re-releasing the items vs. the envelopes they came in?
I have no opinion. I don't really care about the envelopes, but I know plenty of people collected them. My interest is in mostly the items themselves

[Cleocatra]

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Cleocatra

I'm all for releasing some MCs, but I think they should have a note that they are new released or something, otherwise it does feel a bit like that would cheapen the quests some people do, vs. just wanting the item because it looks cool. I would love more katanas. I did have one ages ago but I gave it to my brother I think? Or on a side account which I've forgotten about.

Yes , just like there is " alchemized " items. These new ones should have " re-release " on them. As well as the Re-release date.

If not for anything else , to make the distinction.

Yeah if there's multiple re-releases I think.

Maybe calling them "time-travel" items or something? I think that'd be cute. There's a whole bunch which could be done to re-release old items in a fun way. imagine doing fishing and you pull in a fish which has a halo in it's stomach lmao

IDK about the Gacha aspect ? I thought Gaia meant Re-releasing em through Rococo or Mecha Neko ?

Although , i can see getting an item from fishing would be cool . IF it had a nautical theme to it ...

But isn't the new adobe air ( or flash equivalent ) about to expire next year ? Is Gaia gonna be able to still run fishing ?
Or did they move fishing and the games to something new?

They are saying just re-releasing them. They haven't specified how. It can be a way to still keep them really rare if you have them gatcha like, plus it's not truly gatcha if it's a free thing like fishing. It's just a rare drop. It'd be gatcha if it was a RIG like most things.

I think gaia are gonna be updating all their games one way or another, since like, RIP Flash etc.

[Cemendur]

i'm for re-release

[zealot neo]

release but you have to refund to all the users who brought those mcs

[Music Kianna]

Kitilyn

No. I don't think the old MC's should be re-released. Way back when this site first started, the MC's were a way for us Gaians to help keep it going. It was like "Hey if you support us we'll give you this really neat one of a kind collector's item!" and to re-release those is kind of like a slap in the face. I hated it when previous management did it because it felt like all of us that have been here from the beginning were told "Your support and belief in us never matted. Only your money does."

Now making new MC's and releasing those I could get behind. I'd support that. Re-releasing the old ones...No. Like somebody else said, it's a slap in the face to those of us who contributed and have stuck around from the beginning. I mean if you're gonna re-release the old MC's why not just go through the entire user database, pull the profiles that have been defunct for 5+ years and just release those invos?
Continuing the Insanity ~Kiti~

I fully agree with Kitilyn.

[Music Kianna]

Queen Long Money

Iron Knight Dante

color=darkred]Part of me thinks that it'd be a nice way for people to be able to experience the items that represent Gaia's past, specially since many old users came back due to nostalgia. Some, like the OMG Hat, the Angelic Halo or the Demon Horns are quite iconic and representative of Gaia's history, and if I remember correctly some items (most notably the Angelic Halo) have been previously re-released in one way or another. People deserve to be able to enjoy them.

But part of me thinks that re-releasing them as-is wouldn't level the playing field for everyone involved. Allow me to explain.

I remember the days when MCs were the backbone of the Gaia economy. Investing in stuff is always a gamble and many of the Letters and MCs I hoarded since the late 00s are pretty much worthless nowadays, but there was a sense of "safety" knowing that there was stuff that wouldn't lose it's value (or at least not completely). It's a promise that wasn't guaranteed for even basic things like the old Gold or the new Platinum, for example. And it was fair for both ends of the transaction: Gaia was a relatively small business in the Wild West days of the Internet which could use the userbase's money to keep afloat and flourish, while the users (many of which were on the younger side and couldn't buy things online as easily as nowadays) would get cool items that in a pinch could be sold off for a gold headstart. After MCs, other items that could be valuable enough to be worth holding onto were things like high-end EIs, or certain event items (back in the day, Halloween 2K5 items were top-of-the-line for this, but the Resistance Mask from 06 or the Durem Shirt from the 07 Water Festival also apply).

But nowadays the backbone of the economy is a different one. Things have changed a lot since the old days, new items are released incredibly frequently for either very high prices or RL money, and for the people who want to get items that aren't available on the MP anymore re-releasing MCs would only solve a very small part of the issue. There's almost 20 years' worth of history on this website to sift through, and many of those items will never get a chance to be released again. I sure don't expect to get a Water Meat anytime soon, that's for sure.

And all of this is not even considering that what will probably happen is that if the items get released once more, people will buy them en-masse, then keep them in their inventories until they're scarce and valuable once again. Old habits die hard, after all.

The solution? I can think of a few.

* Make them identical-yet-separate items, in a similar way to the different Generations for Evolving Items, so that the original ones can "keep their value" for those who want to play a numbers game instead of enjoying the items for what they are. If someone wants to have an original '04 Ninja Band because it's more valuable than a '24 Ninja Band then they can chase after it, but if someone wants to cosplay Kakashi they can go after the new one rather than the vintage one. Worst case scenario, all you have to do is add a release date to the item description and that'd be enough to make them distinguishable from one another.

* Do what you did with the 2008 Anniversary Sashes, the Potatoverseer and Sentinel skins, or the zOMG rings and make them soulbound/account-locked. In Team Fortress 2 it's possible (or at least it used to be possible) to buy certain cosmetic items as they are, for a reasonable price, and without having to gamble using resources (keys or metal). They cannot be traded to other users or used for crafting, so they're strictly used for cosmetic reasons since they have little to no value in the community market.

* Make them slightly different. You already tried this with recolors and have seen that they work wonderfully, if the twelve dozen Ancient Katana, Demon Horns/Tail and Ninja Band knockoffs have anything to say about it. This is less than ideal, but it's been tested already and we know it's serviceable. Plus, you can make slight adjustments to them that might not have been possible in the past (such as adapting them to newer avatar bases or adjusting color schemes).

This is strictly regarding MCs. Thank You Letters should stay out of the equation completely, as they were originally meant as a way for Gaia to thank it's users. Nowadays this isn't a donation rewarded with an item, it's a standard microtransaction/purchase and the middle step is completely unnecesary.

gaia_angelleft gaia_crown gaia_angelright

I like this guy right here!
Very well thought out and said. Kudos!!
(The watermeat line made me lol)

I also agree with Iron Knight Dante. There is a way to do this gracefully without disrespect to the older Gaians.