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grasscutter
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grasscutter
That's awesome they do have quick reply!

And Mosaic that's awesome you got a facial hair and guess what....

I GOT A MOHAWK!!!!!!! I shaved my head for the first time ever and my hair was long too biggrin


*huggle and bounces* im so excited, i feel more masculine than ever!!!

Congrats grasscutter


Ha ha ha that's awesome. You're one step closer to where you want to be!

Thanks. I feel all happiful. It's so weird to touch. I've had short hair before, but it was like an inch long. Now it's barely there at all. It's amazing!


I ahve short hair that is unmanageable, and im working on styling it one day so i can get some new pictures
Syndactyly
Kaosgirl
My first name, I wavered on. I started thinking Angela, from a girl on my schoolbus who was in many ways my 'model' of a girl. That is, she was sort of what I thought I'd have been like had I been born female-bodied. But in the end, I went with what my parents would have named me, Lianne.

For my middle name, I'm tempted to just go 'bizarre' and take Kaos since it's consistently been my identifying handle online. It's come to represent the idealized self I'm pursuing through my own attempts at self improvement (including some more occult pathwork), and the idea of being able to say (phonetically) "Chaos is my middle name" has that kind of appeal to me.

But failing that, I'll go with Marie just because it seems to flow nicely.
I've had a problem with this. When I read "Kaos" it always sounded like "cows" to me. I was pretty sure that wasn't the right pronunciation I'm glad now I can stop calling you a cow's girl. gonk So it's "chaos girl"?

She might be one of the people who has blocked me so I might not get an answer... xd


Yeah, it's pronounced like Chaos. Though when I play poker online, everyone thinks it means "Kao's Girl," and they ask me how Kao is.

And I don't block anyone.
Mosaic of Broken Hearts
grasscutter
Mosaic of Broken Hearts
grasscutter
That's awesome they do have quick reply!

And Mosaic that's awesome you got a facial hair and guess what....

I GOT A MOHAWK!!!!!!! I shaved my head for the first time ever and my hair was long too biggrin


*huggle and bounces* im so excited, i feel more masculine than ever!!!

Congrats grasscutter


Ha ha ha that's awesome. You're one step closer to where you want to be!

Thanks. I feel all happiful. It's so weird to touch. I've had short hair before, but it was like an inch long. Now it's barely there at all. It's amazing!


I ahve short hair that is unmanageable, and im working on styling it one day so i can get some new pictures

Ha ha you should post a pick of how it is now. I doubt it can be that bad. My hair was unmanageable when it was an inch long. And when it was halfway down my back. Now I go to sleep, and I wake up, and it looks the same! It's so awesome.
grasscutter
Mosaic of Broken Hearts
grasscutter
Mosaic of Broken Hearts
grasscutter
That's awesome they do have quick reply!

And Mosaic that's awesome you got a facial hair and guess what....

I GOT A MOHAWK!!!!!!! I shaved my head for the first time ever and my hair was long too biggrin


*huggle and bounces* im so excited, i feel more masculine than ever!!!

Congrats grasscutter


Ha ha ha that's awesome. You're one step closer to where you want to be!

Thanks. I feel all happiful. It's so weird to touch. I've had short hair before, but it was like an inch long. Now it's barely there at all. It's amazing!


I ahve short hair that is unmanageable, and im working on styling it one day so i can get some new pictures

Ha ha you should post a pick of how it is now. I doubt it can be that bad. My hair was unmanageable when it was an inch long. And when it was halfway down my back. Now I go to sleep, and I wake up, and it looks the same! It's so aw
esome.


I have aq picture taken earlier this morning, its me and my puppy Let me Upload it
Me and my Puppy Dozer
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I should post a new pic. I'm going to work on my Halloween Costume so I might take some shots of that. surprised
Mosaic of Broken Hearts
Me and my Puppy Dozer
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What a cute puppy. <3

This new hair cut looks nice.
Syndactyly
Mosaic of Broken Hearts
Me and my Puppy Dozer
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What a cute puppy. <3

This new hair cut looks nice.


Thank you. Dozer is a sweetheart. That was taken for Pit Bull Awareness Day. I loved being able to spend time with him, but since i moved out i havent been able to see him, so my parents brought me up to see him

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That doesn't explain why either of you would put it off.

Viscount actually seems to be moving forward, though, and giving attention to his own needs. That's all I was really going on about. If you feel "pressured" not to do anything because your boyfriend "likes your boobs," there's a conflict of interest, and a part of him still sees you as a woman.

Just to add, if you have big breasts working out will build muscle underneath them and sometimes make them appear even larger. People who "burn off" their boobs like Olympic swimmers did not have large breasts to begin with.


There's one other reason why I put off a permanent transistion. Regardless that I do want my body to look a certain way, I have a very strong maternal instinct and hope to someday baring a child. I'm going to ask my docter on the effects of pregnancy after getting breast removal. If I decide on a permanant transistion I would prolly do it after giving birth and again, IF I do concieve at all when the time is right.

I'm aware of the breasts appearing larger part. I want stronger shoulders,back,more muscular arms, flatter stomach (because I have a bit of a belly going on) and I want to slim down my legs. I have a very..volumptious figure. >_< So yea...big thieghs goin on. Hideous, at least on me.



Syndactyly
The desire to have the breasts removed is of two types:

1) Body identity: You don't identify with the moobs, they make you uncomfortable and
2) Social identity: You want to be perceived as male but this is virtually impossible with moobs
.

My situation is the first. I can never find just the right bra size and material to go with certain shirts. So my breasts are usually spilling out of the cup, anything larger is very uncomfortable. Either way it's a blow to my confidence and self-esteem. Sports bras...at least the ones I have, aren't very good at concealing.

Syndactyly
People think, "I'm in love, he/she is THE ONE," blah blah blah. There's two major things to consider here:

1) If he/she is "THE ONE," he/she will still be there for you even if you cut your boobs off. They might struggle with it, but they will still love you and stay with you.
2) There is no "THE ONE." We are compatible with so many people, if your current partner is not okay with your transition, there is someone in the world who will be.


I love my fiance deeply, and if he loves me the same, then yes, he would be there for me and stay if I go through a transistion. I never said he's "the one." Only time will tell.. But whether or not the one exists is a matter of opinion. If there isn't the one to you, okay. So long as it makes you happy go with that.


Syndactyly
If your boyfriend is attached to your physical female form, he does not see you as you see yourself. He loves someone who, as far as you know, does not exist. Therein lies the rub. Their perception of you is not in line with your true identity. This means they are loving the superficial side of you (yikes!) and that will hurt the relationship eventually, even if you decided to never transition.


I disagree. He may be attached to a superficial side of me, but that's not what all his love is concentrated on. I'm 100% positive on that Our love isn't solely based on physical attraction, if it were so we wouldn't have made it as far as we did. We see ourselves far more than just male and female. Our personalities, hobbies, explorations in new things, traits we hold more dearly. So long as we care for eachother the same, I'll do my damnedest to put as much effort as I can into our relationship. I would very much like to see his response to your point of view though.

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Me and my Puppy Dozer
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What a cute puppy. <3

This new hair cut looks nice.


Thank you. Dozer is a sweetheart. That was taken for Pit Bull Awareness Day. I loved being able to spend time with him, but since i moved out i havent been able to see him, so my parents brought me up to see him


I wish I had pictures of the pitbulls I used to live next door to. One was named Cloe who was the most submissive dog you could ever meet--scared of a kitten. The other, Cowboy, was a former fighter dog. My neighbor saved him from being shot to death because he lost a fight. He still has scars on his poor body. He's short for a pitbull is ripped with muscles. He could pull my neighbor on his harley with the leash without the motorcycle turned on. Despite that what he went through he ended up being very protective of his new owner and my family and I and loved us.
I regret ever saying I am trans on Gaia.

For serious. Every time I make a thread, no matter WHAT it is about, the discussion ends up being about how I'm trans. WHAT the ********.

Seriously. I'll say something, and they'll be like, "Aren't you trans, though?" Like that invalidates my opinion. Now someone is refusing to call me "he." rolleyes
Breayue
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That doesn't explain why either of you would put it off.

Viscount actually seems to be moving forward, though, and giving attention to his own needs. That's all I was really going on about. If you feel "pressured" not to do anything because your boyfriend "likes your boobs," there's a conflict of interest, and a part of him still sees you as a woman.

Just to add, if you have big breasts working out will build muscle underneath them and sometimes make them appear even larger. People who "burn off" their boobs like Olympic swimmers did not have large breasts to begin with.


There's one other reason why I put off a permanent transistion. Regardless that I do want my body to look a certain way, I have a very strong maternal instinct and hope to someday baring a child. I'm going to ask my docter on the effects of pregnancy after getting breast removal. If I decide on a permanant transistion I would prolly do it after giving birth and again, IF I do concieve at all when the time is right.

I'm aware of the breasts appearing larger part. I want stronger shoulders,back,more muscular arms, flatter stomach (because I have a bit of a belly going on) and I want to slim down my legs. I have a very..volumptious figure. >_< So yea...big thieghs goin on. Hideous, at least on me.
Thomas Beatie. He's been pregnant twice (or he's trying to get pregnant for the second time, I can't remember). AFTER his chest surgery, AFTER he started testosterone. Breast removal does not effect your ability to have a child. You simply won't be able to nurse. And as a transman, I think nursing would be the most woman-like thing I could possibly do, it would be 2nd worst dysphoric experience to having a period.

To get rid of that you should focus on cardio, to make things more lean, not strength building, which would only make things bigger. And without the assitance of testosterone you're going to have a hard time building any decent upper body strength.

Breayue
Syndactyly
The desire to have the breasts removed is of two types:

1) Body identity: You don't identify with the moobs, they make you uncomfortable and
2) Social identity: You want to be perceived as male but this is virtually impossible with moobs
.

My situation is the first. I can never find just the right bra size and material to go with certain shirts. So my breasts are usually spilling out of the cup, anything larger is very uncomfortable. Either way it's a blow to my confidence and self-esteem. Sports bras...at least the ones I have, aren't very good at concealing.
You said it's the first, then listed a ton of superficial reasons. >_>;

Breayue
Syndactyly
People think, "I'm in love, he/she is THE ONE," blah blah blah. There's two major things to consider here:

1) If he/she is "THE ONE," he/she will still be there for you even if you cut your boobs off. They might struggle with it, but they will still love you and stay with you.
2) There is no "THE ONE." We are compatible with so many people, if your current partner is not okay with your transition, there is someone in the world who will be.


I love my fiance deeply, and if he loves me the same, then yes, he would be there for me and stay if I go through a transistion. I never said he's "the one." Only time will tell.. But whether or not the one exists is a matter of opinion. If there isn't the one to you, okay. So long as it makes you happy go with that.
Then why put it off? You said "If he didn't like my boobs so much," you do it. So... what gives?

Breayue
Syndactyly
If your boyfriend is attached to your physical female form, he does not see you as you see yourself. He loves someone who, as far as you know, does not exist. Therein lies the rub. Their perception of you is not in line with your true identity. This means they are loving the superficial side of you (yikes!) and that will hurt the relationship eventually, even if you decided to never transition.


I disagree. He may be attached to a superficial side of me, but that's not what all his love is concentrated on. I'm 100% positive on that Our love isn't solely based on physical attraction, if it were so we wouldn't have made it as far as we did. We see ourselves far more than just male and female. Our personalities, hobbies, explorations in new things, traits we hold more dearly. So long as we care for eachother the same, I'll do my damnedest to put as much effort as I can into our relationship. I would very much like to see his response to your point of view though.
I never said it was. But if he is into your boobs, a part of him is loving a superficial part of you and a part of him still sees you as a woman, evne if it is "just physically."
Breayue
Mosaic of Broken Hearts
Syndactyly
Mosaic of Broken Hearts
Me and my Puppy Dozer
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What a cute puppy. <3

This new hair cut looks nice.


Thank you. Dozer is a sweetheart. That was taken for Pit Bull Awareness Day. I loved being able to spend time with him, but since i moved out i havent been able to see him, so my parents brought me up to see him


I wish I had pictures of the pitbulls I used to live next door to. One was named Cloe who was the most submissive dog you could ever meet--scared of a kitten. The other, Cowboy, was a former fighter dog. My neighbor saved him from being shot to death because he lost a fight. He still has scars on his poor body. He's short for a pitbull is ripped with muscles. He could pull my neighbor on his harley with the leash without the motorcycle turned on. Despite that what he went through he ended up being very protective of his new owner and my family and I and loved us.


the true Pit Bloodlines make up a dog that is between 40-55 pounds
And now the mysterious man jumps in.


Syndactyly
Breayue
Syndactyly
That doesn't explain why either of you would put it off.

Viscount actually seems to be moving forward, though, and giving attention to his own needs. That's all I was really going on about. If you feel "pressured" not to do anything because your boyfriend "likes your boobs," there's a conflict of interest, and a part of him still sees you as a woman.

Just to add, if you have big breasts working out will build muscle underneath them and sometimes make them appear even larger. People who "burn off" their boobs like Olympic swimmers did not have large breasts to begin with.


There's one other reason why I put off a permanent transistion. Regardless that I do want my body to look a certain way, I have a very strong maternal instinct and hope to someday baring a child. I'm going to ask my docter on the effects of pregnancy after getting breast removal. If I decide on a permanant transistion I would prolly do it after giving birth and again, IF I do concieve at all when the time is right.

I'm aware of the breasts appearing larger part. I want stronger shoulders,back,more muscular arms, flatter stomach (because I have a bit of a belly going on) and I want to slim down my legs. I have a very..volumptious figure. >_< So yea...big thieghs goin on. Hideous, at least on me.
Thomas Beatie. He's been pregnant twice (or he's trying to get pregnant for the second time, I can't remember). AFTER his chest surgery, AFTER he started testosterone. Breast removal does not effect your ability to have a child. You simply won't be able to nurse. And as a transman, I think nursing would be the most woman-like thing I could possibly do, it would be 2nd worst dysphoric experience to having a period.

To get rid of that you should focus on cardio, to make things more lean, not strength building, which would only make things bigger. And without the assitance of testosterone you're going to have a hard time building any decent upper body strength.

Have you considered that perhaps she wants to nurse her own young? Not only is it the healthiest option it also produces a stronger maternal link between mother and child.

Syndactyly
Breayue
Syndactyly
The desire to have the breasts removed is of two types:

1) Body identity: You don't identify with the moobs, they make you uncomfortable and
2) Social identity: You want to be perceived as male but this is virtually impossible with moobs
.

My situation is the first. I can never find just the right bra size and material to go with certain shirts. So my breasts are usually spilling out of the cup, anything larger is very uncomfortable. Either way it's a blow to my confidence and self-esteem. Sports bras...at least the ones I have, aren't very good at concealing.
You said it's the first, then listed a ton of superficial reasons. >_>;
You yourself made the reason that they make someone uncomfortable, did she not list reasons they make her uncomfortable? And who are you to decide what constitutes as a superficial reason? What is important or unimportant to you does not hold true for everyone.

Syndactyly
Breayue
Syndactyly
People think, "I'm in love, he/she is THE ONE," blah blah blah. There's two major things to consider here:

1) If he/she is "THE ONE," he/she will still be there for you even if you cut your boobs off. They might struggle with it, but they will still love you and stay with you.
2) There is no "THE ONE." We are compatible with so many people, if your current partner is not okay with your transition, there is someone in the world who will be.


I love my fiance deeply, and if he loves me the same, then yes, he would be there for me and stay if I go through a transistion. I never said he's "the one." Only time will tell.. But whether or not the one exists is a matter of opinion. If there isn't the one to you, okay. So long as it makes you happy go with that.
Then why put it off? You said "If he didn't like my boobs so much," you do it. So... what gives?

Have you ever considered that being in love with someone means more than just making yourself happy? It means compromising to make both parties as happy as can be. And when did she ever say that he can't cope with her having these changes done?

Syndactyly
Breayue
Syndactyly
If your boyfriend is attached to your physical female form, he does not see you as you see yourself. He loves someone who, as far as you know, does not exist. Therein lies the rub. Their perception of you is not in line with your true identity. This means they are loving the superficial side of you (yikes!) and that will hurt the relationship eventually, even if you decided to never transition.


I disagree. He may be attached to a superficial side of me, but that's not what all his love is concentrated on. I'm 100% positive on that Our love isn't solely based on physical attraction, if it were so we wouldn't have made it as far as we did. We see ourselves far more than just male and female. Our personalities, hobbies, explorations in new things, traits we hold more dearly. So long as we care for eachother the same, I'll do my damnedest to put as much effort as I can into our relationship. I would very much like to see his response to your point of view though.
I never said it was. But if he is into your boobs, a part of him is loving a superficial part of you and a part of him still sees you as a woman, evne if it is "just physically."
Just because someone is into a certain part of your body, so what? He sees her as a woman, guess what, she physically is a woman. That doesn't mean he can't respect and acknowledge her as mentally a man. Cause if she doesn't get a sex change there is no changing the fact that she is physically a woman.
So... I suppose I should introduce myself a while. So I'll borrow the guide off the first page.

Name: Chapel
Age: 20
Transgender: no
Reason for being here: Trans supporter and friend of someone here
Anything else: So yea, if you'd like to know more about me, feel free to check out my profile or ask me. I'll be lurking around and posting here and there.

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