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YouserName, that only further confused me. I cannot understand the sentences you type.


I swear she just types random words having to do with the abortion debate.
It's a spam account for goldz. It's all over ED tonight. Best spam I've ever seen I gotta admit. It actually fools people.


I am not spam account! That is correct. I am intelligent


I just saw your sig, and think that you are a spam account. I have reported you.
Oh, and there's another.

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Oh, and there's another.


It's like their magnetically attracted to this thread... At least they're not trolling with guro.
jarumai
I read through most of the original post, and found alot of the person's opinions offensive and juvenile. one thing i have not seen, and perhaps that is because children should not be discussing adult subject matter,


Why not? What makes this "adult" subject matter? What makes "children" incapable of discussing it?

jarumai
back to the one thing i did not see in here..... is this.... if you've ever met women who have had abortions, they are crushed, heartbroken, and never forget what they have done. it is very hard to live with. i know several women (adults) that have had abortions for a variety of reasons. All of them are emotionally messed up.


Do you have objective proof? Anecdotal evidence does not count as proof.

jarumai
One friend in particular: we'll call her Debbie, debbie was married and had a baby boy we'll call him Joey..... 3-4 years later she got pregnant again, and debbie and her husband decided to abort, because they were poor with their finances.... 2-3 years later, she aborted again, because the marriage was failing and headed for divorce. They did divorce.... 2-3 years later, debbie aborted again, she had indiscrimate sex with several partners, and did not want another child. so now her son Joey is about 12 years old. Joey is playing basketball 2 blocks from home..... an older teen running from a cop tosses a gun into joeys hands and tells joey to run...... joey runs towards home.....the cop yells drop the gun.... im a cop....drop the gun......joey turned and raised his arm, and he was shot 3 times, and killed...... i know because i was in the alley washing a car when joey and the cop passed by.....

NOW DEBBIE is a completely emotionally and mentally crippled and ruined...
this is a true story


Um, that sounds like it had nothing to do with abortion. It just sounds like her son died and she's emotionally wrecked over it, which is perfectly normal. She just happened to have aborted several times.

jarumai
abortion is not easy, and should be avoided at all costs.


Why?

jarumai
I do not believe Jesus wants us killing our babies!


Excuse me? Why does what Jesus wants have anything to do with anyone? Is Jesus some sort of fascist dictator? Furthermore, I am not Christian, why should I listen to this?

I was also very unaware that abortion was legal post-birth.

jarumai
I pray for the poor souls that have to live with the "choice" that they have made. god bless


And yet you do nothing to prove that abortion always causes depression.

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jarumai
I read through most of the original post, and found alot of the person's opinions offensive and juvenile. one thing i have not seen, and perhaps that is because children should not be discussing adult subject matter, back to the one thing i did not see in here..... is this.... if you've ever met women who have had abortions, they are crushed, heartbroken, and never forget what they have done.


I have had an abortion, and I am happy with the choice that I made every singe day. Also, imnotsorry.net. You=phail.

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it is very hard to live with. i know several women (adults) that have had abortions for a variety of reasons. All of them are emotionally messed up.


Anecdotal evidence doesn't fly here, kid.

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One friend in particular: we'll call her Debbie, debbie was married and had a baby boy we'll call him Joey..... 3-4 years later she got pregnant again, and debbie and her husband decided to abort, because they were poor with their finances.... 2-3 years later, she aborted again, because the marriage was failing and headed for divorce. They did divorce.... 2-3 years later, debbie aborted again, she had indiscrimate sex with several partners, and did not want another child. so now her son Joey is about 12 years old. Joey is playing basketball 2 blocks from home..... an older teen running from a cop tosses a gun into joeys hands and tells joey to run...... joey runs towards home.....the cop yells drop the gun.... im a cop....drop the gun......joey turned and raised his arm, and he was shot 3 times, and killed...... i know because i was in the alley washing a car when joey and the cop passed by.....

NOW DEBBIE is a completely emotionally and mentally crippled and ruined...
this is a true story


How does an abortion come into play here? all I see here is a failed emotional ploy.

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abortion is not easy, and should be avoided at all costs. I do not believe Jesus wants us killing our babies! I pray for the poor souls that have to live with the "choice" that they have made. god bless


I do not believe in your sky faerie, so please leave him out of this debate.
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I am pro-choice. For one, the woman should have every right to abort a fetus because it is her body and her choice. As for the men and their rights as the father, you willingly gave your sperm to the woman (wether it was consentual for the woman or not), so you no longer have rights over the fetus that was created from the given sperm (unless the said fetus is in fact born, then will you have those rights). Personally, a fetus is not a person until it is born, so, in the womb, the fetus as no rights (again this is personal opinion).


jarumai
I read through most of the original post, and found alot of the person's opinions offensive and juvenile. one thing i have not seen, and perhaps that is because children should not be discussing adult subject matter, back to the one thing i did not see in here..... is this.... if you've ever met women who have had abortions, they are crushed, heartbroken, and never forget what they have done. it is very hard to live with. i know several women (adults) that have had abortions for a variety of reasons. All of them are emotionally messed up. One friend in particular: we'll call her Debbie, debbie was married and had a baby boy we'll call him Joey..... 3-4 years later she got pregnant again, and debbie and her husband decided to abort, because they were poor with their finances.... 2-3 years later, she aborted again, because the marriage was failing and headed for divorce. They did divorce.... 2-3 years later, debbie aborted again, she had indiscrimate sex with several partners, and did not want another child. so now her son Joey is about 12 years old. Joey is playing basketball 2 blocks from home..... an older teen running from a cop tosses a gun into joeys hands and tells joey to run...... joey runs towards home.....the cop yells drop the gun.... im a cop....drop the gun......joey turned and raised his arm, and he was shot 3 times, and killed...... i know because i was in the alley washing a car when joey and the cop passed by.....

NOW DEBBIE is a completely emotionally and mentally crippled and ruined...
this is a true story

abortion is not easy, and should be avoided at all costs. I do not believe Jesus wants us killing our babies! I pray for the poor souls that have to live with the "choice" that they have made. god bless


Of course SOME women will feel bad after an abortion. But not all women are emotionally "messed up". Just because you see one woman having a hard time, doesn't mean ALL women have a hard time. Abortion shouldn't be avoided at all costs. Again if a woman wants an abortion (no matter how she got pregnant), she should be able to.
And not everyone believes in the same things that you, so don't put it on this board please.
Zombiegirlfalls
Of course SOME women will feel bad after an abortion.
You're missing the bigger problem in her story; that she somehow believes a woman who is recently divorced and had her twelve-year-old son gunned down in the streets must be depressed because of her abortions. Of course, that's if you're going to believe the story in the first place. It sounds too much like it came out of a movie to me.
jarumai
I read through most of the original post, and found alot of the person's opinions offensive and juvenile. one thing i have not seen, and perhaps that is because children should not be discussing adult subject matter, back to the one thing i did not see in here..... is this.... if you've ever met women who have had abortions, they are crushed, heartbroken, and never forget what they have done. it is very hard to live with. i know several women (adults) that have had abortions for a variety of reasons. All of them are emotionally messed up. One friend in particular: we'll call her Debbie, debbie was married and had a baby boy we'll call him Joey..... 3-4 years later she got pregnant again, and debbie and her husband decided to abort... *clipped*


Far from justifying your statement about the first post being juvenile, the above only makes you look like a hypocrite. Your irrelevant story (albiet sad) about joey is just that - irrelevant. It has nothing to do with debbie's decision to have an abortion. Are you saying that if debbie had had more kids she would have been any less devastated at the death of her son? I disagree.

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abortion is not easy, and should be avoided at all costs. I do not believe Jesus wants us killing our babies! I pray for the poor souls that have to live with the "choice" that they have made. god bless


The fact that you mentioned your religious beliefs as justification for imposing your values onto other people only makes you less credible.

And yes perhaps we don't understand the negative psychological effects that choosing abortion can have on some women - but that's exactly what it is - a choice. We are not advocating that women should be forced to have abortions. If they do not think they can handle it mentally, then they can choose not to have one. But the choice should always be there.
princess_colex

Far from justifying your statement about the first post being juvenile, the above only makes you look like a hypocrite. Your irrelevant story (albiet sad) about joey is just that - irrelevant. It has nothing to do with debbie's decision to have an abortion. Are you saying that if debbie had had more kids she would have been any less devastated at the death of her son? I disagree.
I think that is what jarumai is saying, and it disgusts me. To think that children are so replaceable, that having other children would diminish the pain of having your twelve-year-old son being shot by a police officer...

I cannot call such a belief pro-life, without further explanation and expansion on the reasoning behind it. I hope jarumai returns, and gives some.

I know pro-lifers whom I respect, and like, even though I disagree with them, and jarumai's beliefs, so far, do not square with what I think of as moral, respectable pro-life beliefs.
jarumai

if you've ever met women who have had abortions, they are crushed, heartbroken, and never forget what they have done. it is very hard to live with. i know several women (adults) that have had abortions for a variety of reasons. All of them are emotionally messed up.

I have met many women who have had abortions. I would have to say that only about 2% of them actually regretted it. Maybe that is because I mainly talk to pro-choice women who are very open and proud. But research has shown that your post is wrong.


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Web MD- Study Says Most Women Don't Regret Abortion

But a study out this month finds that 80% of women were not depressed after having an abortion. In fact, the rate of depression in the postabortion group was equal to the rate of depression in the general population. As for post-traumatic stress symptoms, the rate was 1% in the postabortion group compared with an estimated 11% in women of the same age in the general population.




Also give me proof that having an abortion ruined "Debbie’s" life. Prove it. And also prove that just because some women regret their choice means that all women shouldn't be able to make that choice. Women can think for themselves and most the time know what is best. We all make decisions that we are not proud of or that we regret, having an abortion like any other choice can potentially be regretted. Such as having kids or giving them up for adoption.




jarumai

abortion is not easy, and should be avoided at all costs. I do not believe Jesus wants us killing our babies! I pray for the poor souls that have to live with the "choice" that they have made. god bless

I am sure no one wants us killing our (or anyone else's babies). But I don't see what babies have to do with abortion.
domokun I probably haven't read far enough to truly grasp this debate, but I'll just state my view: I'm fine with abortion. Abortion is not murder because it is not done with malicious intent. Abortion, as mean as this may sound, is a way for parents to get rid of a fetus that they don't want or can't support. Yes, I realize they could just have the baby and drop him/her of at an orphanage, but what if they couldn't find one? (Do orphanages require payment for leaving kids?) My argument isn't very good, but I'm sure somebody else has had similar thoughts and can support me.

Before my mother had my older sister, she was impregnated with a son. Unable to support a baby at that time, she had an abortion. It was only mentioned once in my family (to tell my sister an I) and never heard of again. My mother has moved on and has no regrets.

I also had a friend who got impregnated at the age of twelve. Seeing as she was only in middle school and her parents would've disowned her if she kept it, she had an abortion. She doesn't regret it either.
fetus=/= alive
fetus=/= harmful painful virus on human body
abortion= helpful operation to remove cancerous growth

nuff said

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