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Abortion is not killing something when it has already formed...it's when it simply only an egg so you can't say that you are killing a human being. because it has not even become a being yet....


...*blink blink* What? the only egg stage in the reproductive system is anytime before fertilization of an ovum(?). Unless I missed something and humans now have chicken powers...
YuriNoHikari
Sunny Flower 56
Abortion is not killing something when it has already formed...it's when it simply only an egg so you can't say that you are killing a human being. because it has not even become a being yet....


...*blink blink* What? the only egg stage in the reproductive system is anytime before fertilization of an ovum(?). Unless I missed something and humans now have chicken powers...
Recall what I said last night about bad pro-choice arguments, in the other thread?

Speak of the devil, and he appears...
Just to clarify:

-perhaps "innocent" was a really bad choice of words. My point is that a foetus is incredibly undeserving of being killed.

-I am not offended by women who get pregnant by accident. I was an accident myself, so it'd be pretty hypocritical of me not to be pissed off at my own mother. I simply think that creating life by mistake is something you can't cancel out because it would involve killing the unborn foetus. I think that if a woman gets pregnant by mistake, she must deal with the consequences (by carrying the baby until it can be delivered).

-As for adoption, my opinion is somewhat primitive. I don't know what should be done with an unwanted baby if the abortion system favours white healthy babies. All I know is that I'm against taking the life of another human because a woman doesn't want to carry it for 9 months.

-Now a pathetic attempt to justify the flaws in my points. I have had a minimal amount of exposure to how harsh this world can be(in terms of the adoption problem) and I was unaware of the problem with the adoption system as I live in Northern Ireland and I see 17 girls pushing buggies about the streets-the only solution here to an unwanted pregnancy is to become a teenage mother. My points are pooly made, not well educated and poorly defended.

-I'm a member of the Debating Society in my school. I suppose that last sentence of mine was really my eloquent attempt at a "Please don't hurt me with your harsh harsh words" plea.

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Just to clarify:

-perhaps "innocent" was a really bad choice of words. My point is that a foetus is incredibly undeserving of being killed.

-I am not offended by women who get pregnant by accident. I was an accident myself, so it'd be pretty hypocritical of me not to be pissed off at my own mother. I simply think that creating life by mistake is something you can't cancel out because it would involve killing the unborn foetus. I think that if a woman gets pregnant by mistake, she must deal with the consequences (by carrying the baby until it can be delivered).

-As for adoption, my opinion is somewhat primitive. I don't know what should be done with an unwanted baby if the abortion system favours white healthy babies. All I know is that I'm against taking the life of another human because a woman doesn't want to carry it for 9 months.

-Now a pathetic attempt to justify the flaws in my points. I have had a minimal amount of exposure to how harsh this world can be(in terms of the adoption problem) and I was unaware of the problem with the adoption system as I live in Northern Ireland and I see 17 girls pushing buggies about the streets-the only solution here to an unwanted pregnancy is to become a teenage mother. My points are pooly made, not well educated and poorly defended.

-I'm a member of the Debating Society in my school. I suppose that last sentence of mine was really my eloquent attempt at a "Please don't hurt me with your harsh harsh words" plea.

So you're admitting that you want to use pregnancy and childbirth as a punishment for no other reason than it offends your morals for women to find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy?

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YuriNoHikari
Sunny Flower 56
Abortion is not killing something when it has already formed...it's when it simply only an egg so you can't say that you are killing a human being. because it has not even become a being yet....


...*blink blink* What? the only egg stage in the reproductive system is anytime before fertilization of an ovum(?). Unless I missed something and humans now have chicken powers...
Recall what I said last night about bad pro-choice arguments, in the other thread?

Speak of the devil, and he appears...


Quite....

You're talking about sunny's post, right?
YuriNoHikari
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YuriNoHikari
Sunny Flower 56
Abortion is not killing something when it has already formed...it's when it simply only an egg so you can't say that you are killing a human being. because it has not even become a being yet....


...*blink blink* What? the only egg stage in the reproductive system is anytime before fertilization of an ovum(?). Unless I missed something and humans now have chicken powers...
Recall what I said last night about bad pro-choice arguments, in the other thread?

Speak of the devil, and he appears...


Quite....

You're talking about sunny's post, right?
yep
Chicken powers would be ******** awesome. D'you know how cool it would be to have a ready supply of ammo to throw at people who annoy me?

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Denzorz
Chicken powers would be ******** awesome. D'you know how cool it would be to have a ready supply of ammo to throw at people who annoy me?



....Only you, Denz. XD
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Aquila15
Just to clarify:

-perhaps "innocent" was a really bad choice of words. My point is that a foetus is incredibly undeserving of being killed.

-I am not offended by women who get pregnant by accident. I was an accident myself, so it'd be pretty hypocritical of me not to be pissed off at my own mother. I simply think that creating life by mistake is something you can't cancel out because it would involve killing the unborn foetus. I think that if a woman gets pregnant by mistake, she must deal with the consequences (by carrying the baby until it can be delivered).

-As for adoption, my opinion is somewhat primitive. I don't know what should be done with an unwanted baby if the abortion system favours white healthy babies. All I know is that I'm against taking the life of another human because a woman doesn't want to carry it for 9 months.

-Now a pathetic attempt to justify the flaws in my points. I have had a minimal amount of exposure to how harsh this world can be(in terms of the adoption problem) and I was unaware of the problem with the adoption system as I live in Northern Ireland and I see 17 girls pushing buggies about the streets-the only solution here to an unwanted pregnancy is to become a teenage mother. My points are pooly made, not well educated and poorly defended.

-I'm a member of the Debating Society in my school. I suppose that last sentence of mine was really my eloquent attempt at a "Please don't hurt me with your harsh harsh words" plea.

So you're admitting that you want to use pregnancy and childbirth as a punishment for no other reason than it offends your morals for women to find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy?


Not quite.
In some cases where a woman finds herself with an unwanted pregnancy, the parents may have used a condom which broke or some other form of contraception that due to chance proved ineffective. What annoys me is women who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy because they had sex and didn't use contraception even though they didn't want a child, or had sex without contraception when they were drunk, something like that. I believe in those cases that carrying the child and having it delivered safely is something the woman has to do, even if she doesn't want to because she has become responsible for the life that she created.
The blame doesn't always rest with the mother though, it's not always her being stupid. I can understand why rape victims would want an abortion. They didn't want a child and they didn't even want to have sex, it was forced upon them. Apart from that, they may fear violent traits developing in the child because of the mentality of the father.
It's not so much a punishment as it is a job that she doesn't want but has forced herself into by stupidly getting pregnant by mistake (except in the cases where condoms break and stuff, because in those cases the couples were actually smart enough to use contraception).
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Chicken powers would be ******** awesome. D'you know how cool it would be to have a ready supply of ammo to throw at people who annoy me?



....Only you, Denz. XD


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Aquila15
Just to clarify:

-perhaps "innocent" was a really bad choice of words. My point is that a foetus is incredibly undeserving of being killed.

-I am not offended by women who get pregnant by accident. I was an accident myself, so it'd be pretty hypocritical of me not to be pissed off at my own mother. I simply think that creating life by mistake is something you can't cancel out because it would involve killing the unborn foetus. I think that if a woman gets pregnant by mistake, she must deal with the consequences (by carrying the baby until it can be delivered).

-As for adoption, my opinion is somewhat primitive. I don't know what should be done with an unwanted baby if the abortion system favours white healthy babies. All I know is that I'm against taking the life of another human because a woman doesn't want to carry it for 9 months.

-Now a pathetic attempt to justify the flaws in my points. I have had a minimal amount of exposure to how harsh this world can be(in terms of the adoption problem) and I was unaware of the problem with the adoption system as I live in Northern Ireland and I see 17 girls pushing buggies about the streets-the only solution here to an unwanted pregnancy is to become a teenage mother. My points are pooly made, not well educated and poorly defended.

-I'm a member of the Debating Society in my school. I suppose that last sentence of mine was really my eloquent attempt at a "Please don't hurt me with your harsh harsh words" plea.

So you're admitting that you want to use pregnancy and childbirth as a punishment for no other reason than it offends your morals for women to find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy?


Not quite.
In some cases where a woman finds herself with an unwanted pregnancy, the parents may have used a condom which broke or some other form of contraception that due to chance proved ineffective. What annoys me is women who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy because they had sex and didn't use contraception even though they didn't want a child, or had sex without contraception when they were drunk, something like that. I believe in those cases that carrying the child and having it delivered safely is something the woman has to do, even if she doesn't want to because she has become responsible for the life that she created.
The blame doesn't always rest with the mother though, it's not always her being stupid. I can understand why rape victims would want an abortion. They didn't want a child and they didn't even want to have sex, it was forced upon them. Apart from that, they may fear violent traits developing in the child because of the mentality of the father.
It's not so much a punishment as it is a job that she doesn't want but has forced herself into by stupidly getting pregnant by mistake (except in the cases where condoms break and stuff, because in those cases the couples were actually smart enough to use contraception).

But it still comes down to using pregnancy as punishment. "You did something I don't agree with, therefore I say you need to be punished for it." Or are you saying that there's inherently some difference in worth or value between a z/e/f conceived when contraception failed and a z/e/f conceived when no contraception was used that makes the latter too special to be aborted but not the former?
Aquila15
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Aquila15
Just to clarify:

-perhaps "innocent" was a really bad choice of words. My point is that a foetus is incredibly undeserving of being killed.

-I am not offended by women who get pregnant by accident. I was an accident myself, so it'd be pretty hypocritical of me not to be pissed off at my own mother. I simply think that creating life by mistake is something you can't cancel out because it would involve killing the unborn foetus. I think that if a woman gets pregnant by mistake, she must deal with the consequences (by carrying the baby until it can be delivered).

-As for adoption, my opinion is somewhat primitive. I don't know what should be done with an unwanted baby if the abortion system favours white healthy babies. All I know is that I'm against taking the life of another human because a woman doesn't want to carry it for 9 months.

-Now a pathetic attempt to justify the flaws in my points. I have had a minimal amount of exposure to how harsh this world can be(in terms of the adoption problem) and I was unaware of the problem with the adoption system as I live in Northern Ireland and I see 17 girls pushing buggies about the streets-the only solution here to an unwanted pregnancy is to become a teenage mother. My points are pooly made, not well educated and poorly defended.

-I'm a member of the Debating Society in my school. I suppose that last sentence of mine was really my eloquent attempt at a "Please don't hurt me with your harsh harsh words" plea.

So you're admitting that you want to use pregnancy and childbirth as a punishment for no other reason than it offends your morals for women to find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy?


Not quite.
In some cases where a woman finds herself with an unwanted pregnancy, the parents may have used a condom which broke or some other form of contraception that due to chance proved ineffective. What annoys me is women who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy because they had sex and didn't use contraception even though they didn't want a child, or had sex without contraception when they were drunk, something like that. I believe in those cases that carrying the child and having it delivered safely is something the woman has to do, even if she doesn't want to because she has become responsible for the life that she created.
The blame doesn't always rest with the mother though, it's not always her being stupid. I can understand why rape victims would want an abortion. They didn't want a child and they didn't even want to have sex, it was forced upon them. Apart from that, they may fear violent traits developing in the child because of the mentality of the father.
It's not so much a punishment as it is a job that she doesn't want but has forced herself into by stupidly getting pregnant by mistake (except in the cases where condoms break and stuff, because in those cases the couples were actually smart enough to use contraception).
Not only does this still imply carrying a pregnancy to term is a punishment, but it opens up a whole world of subjectivity in deciding who "deserves" to carry an unwanted fetus. If they got drunk and had sex without protection, how is it their fault exactly? They weren't in control of their actions. You could say they took the risk by drinking, but you could also say the rape victim took the risk by going alone to a bad neighborhood. Your protection broke? Maybe you were irresponsible for choosing a cheaper product.
@ Z3Ncat:
Oh no no, I'm not saying that there's a difference in a zygote or foetus conceived because of failed contraception and a zygote or foetus conceived when no contraception was used.
I'm just saying that I believe a woman who gets pregnant by mistake because she didn't use contraception (in the aforementioned scenarios) deserves the inconvenience of having an unwanted pregnancy while a woman who was wise enough to use contraception but was unfortunate enough that it failed does not deserve that inconvenience. When I say it like that, it really DOES sound like a punishment, and to be completely honest, I can see no way around that. It's just my opinion though, I wouldn't force it on any woman(not that I could) and I wouldn't discriminate against any woman who wanted to have an abortion. It's not really my business if a woman wants to have an abortion, I just think it's wrong.

@Darkwolf: I see your point, I hadn't thought of it that way before 3nodding
But I would say that it was the drunk couple's fault for drinking excessivley when they know the risks. Similarly, I can see what you mean about it being the rape victim's fault for going into a bad neighbourhood alone but several rapes don't occur in bad neighbourhoods, at least where I live (then again where I live, there are no "good" neighbourhoods). Still, I do see your point.

I need to go, my stepdad wants his laptop back. This has been interesting, and has shown me a great deal about the flaws in my own opinions.
Aquila15
It's not really my business if a woman wants to have an abortion
And that's really all we care about.

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Aquila15
It's not really my business if a woman wants to have an abortion
And that's really all we care about.


That and that they keep it not their business.

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