The Abortion Debate

[Z3Ncat]

Congrats, Miyo!

[Masturbating_Rot_Crow]

Congrats Miyo! I was watching your counter and I thought you were going to pop!
I was born with thick black hair too. It will either fall out and be replaced with baby fuzz or grow really long really fast like mine (which was blond by the time I was 5).

[The Great Papyru]

Oh wow, he was born on Christmas! I hope he will still get Bday AND Xmas presents.

Only assuming you celebrate. If you don't, then its still a happy day to have a birthday, seeing as there are a ton of sales going on!

/cheapass

[_C r y s t a l_RB]

Congrats Miyo! It's a beautiful thing when a baby is born into a family that wants him/her.

[spanner75]

i dont agree in abortion, Unless the baby is going to be born dead, as i think that is trumatising and i wouldnt like to see my baby dead, i'd rather of ended its life before any pain, if their is any.
i dont agree in abortion because you are too young, unless the mother is about 12/13 then they are putting their life at a BIG risk and their child, and due to thier age the baby might not have a very good mother figure in his/her's life.
if a lady has been raped i still dont agree in abortion as its still half her baby, it might of came out of evil, but you have aloving baby to look after, who might not be a monster like his/hers biological dad.
i dont think i'll ever have an abortion, if i get preganat and my boyfriend doesnt like it well, then tough, i'm not murdering my baby just because he doesnt want one.
i feel that abortion is very much like muder, its still al life, its human isnt it? so how does ending its life not be muder??

[BloodE3]

I am for abortion, for the obvious reason that a mother should be allowed to do what she pleases.

[Buzz995]

I would call myself pro-choice.

I would say that abortion should be avoided if possible. For example, if the baby is going to be healthy, and the family are able to give it a stable upbringing, then everything should be done to keep the baby. Or if the mother is sufficiently prepared, adoption is another alternative that should be considered.

However, if the baby is not healthy, the mothers life is at risk, or the situation is not right for the baby to be brought up in a loving environment (eg- financial difficulties, mother too young, unstable family situation etc) then abortion is a viable option.

I'm against late stage abortion though. After 24 weeks the foetus is viable outside the womb with medical intervention. However, this shouldn't mean life at all costs- if a baby is born prematurely and will have life long complications due to it, then thats a whole different debate, and I wouldn't want to put that suffering on a child. However, that's off the topic.

You can't make abortion illegal. If it did happen, then it'd go back to dangerous, back street abortions where the mother often ended up as dead as the foetus. And if they do reduce the time limit, then they need to start giving them on demand, because two referals then an apointment can often take up to a month or more. And if you don't find out for a month or so, then you run the risk of pushing it into late stage, which would be horrific for all involved.

As for if it's 'baby killing'- the foetus is not alive in a medical sense until theres a heartbeat. And personally, I wouldn't say it's alive until it's breathing for itself- so at birth. Not saying it should be aborted up until then, but I am saying it should not be called murder by prolifers.

[Kata Samoes]

spanner75

i dont agree in abortion, Unless the baby is going to be born dead, as i think that is trumatising and i wouldnt like to see my baby dead, i'd rather of ended its life before any pain, if their is any.

I agree with choice, regardless of the life of the fetus. Thank goodness it's not a baby, though.

spanner75

i dont agree in abortion because you are too young, unless the mother is about 12/13 then they are putting their life at a BIG risk and their child, and due to thier age the baby might not have a very good mother figure in his/her's life.

And if they're 14, 15, 16, 17? Age doesn't automatically make them mature, physically healthier, or even have the financial means to raise a kid (much less pay for birthing at a hospital).

spanner75

if a lady has been raped i still dont agree in abortion as its still half her baby, it might of came out of evil, but you have aloving baby to look after, who might not be a monster like his/hers biological dad.

So you think that the "child" may not be evil, so it should be given a chance despite the fact it'll tear up and put the woman through more pain and trauma from not just being raped, but carrying an unwanted pregnancy resulting from it? If she chooses to abort to help her heal the traumatic violation she experienced, I'd support her. If keeping it healed her, I'd go for it.

It's not always about the fetus, we gotta think about how this will affect the woman in question too.

spanner75

i dont think i'll ever have an abortion, if i get preganat and my boyfriend doesnt like it well, then tough, i'm not murdering my baby just because he doesnt want one.

Thankfully you're not murdering it. Murder is a specific legal term, and abortion does not fit the criteria needed for it.

spanner75

i feel that abortion is very much like muder, its still al life, its human isnt it? so how does ending its life not be muder??

Biology does not determine the laws, nor morals. Murder is a legal term, currently abortion does not fit the definition.

Why do you feel it's murder? Calling it human doesn't make much sense, because then I'd be in jail several times over for cutting my nails. Murder is a planned out killing of a born person with malicious intent involved. Abortion involves a fetus (not born, not a person), and the intent is impossible prove from the woman or doctor to be malicious, especially since it ALWAYS varies.

So this leaves us with emotions. Why does abortion offend you so much to try and label it as "murder?"

[Kata Samoes]

Buzz995

I would call myself pro-choice.

I would say that abortion should be avoided if possible. For example, if the baby is going to be healthy, and the family are able to give it a stable upbringing, then everything should be done to keep the baby. Or if the mother is sufficiently prepared, adoption is another alternative that should be considered.

However, if the baby is not healthy, the mothers life is at risk, or the situation is not right for the baby to be brought up in a loving environment (eg- financial difficulties, mother too young, unstable family situation etc) then abortion is a viable option.

I'm against late stage abortion though. After 24 weeks the foetus is viable outside the womb with medical intervention. However, this shouldn't mean life at all costs- if a baby is born prematurely and will have life long complications due to it, then thats a whole different debate, and I wouldn't want to put that suffering on a child. However, that's off the topic.

You can't make abortion illegal. If it did happen, then it'd go back to dangerous, back street abortions where the mother often ended up as dead as the foetus. And if they do reduce the time limit, then they need to start giving them on demand, because two referals then an apointment can often take up to a month or more. And if you don't find out for a month or so, then you run the risk of pushing it into late stage, which would be horrific for all involved.

As for if it's 'baby killing'- the foetus is not alive in a medical sense until theres a heartbeat. And personally, I wouldn't say it's alive until it's breathing for itself- so at birth. Not saying it should be aborted up until then, but I am saying it should not be called murder by prolifers.

1. It's not a baby. It's a fetus. Babies are born.

2. It's alive when it was an egg and sperm: life does not come from non-life.

3. Why is viability determined by financial reasoning, health, or age? What about the mother simply either not ready for one, regardless of any other reason, or NEVER wanting to be pregnant and be a mother. Adoption may solve unwanted parenting, but what about those who simply don't want to be or stay pregnant?

Oh yes. And what about rape?

[pidgezero_one]

Hey, congrats Miyo! mrgreen

[FriedRooster]

- A lonely abstinent virgin with no experience in relationships is walking home at night from college and work.

- Gets raped at gunpoint.

Now why do you pro-lifers believe should she be denied an abortion? Why should she miss out on life to birth a child she never wanted? Why should she give up her future? Not to mention that childbirth cost loads of money.

[Z3Ncat]

FriedRooster

- A lonely abstinent virgin with no experience in relationships is walking home at night from college and work.

- Gets raped at gunpoint.

Now why do you pro-lifers believe should she be denied an abortion? Why should she miss out on life to birth a child she never wanted? Why should she give up her future? Not to mention that childbirth cost loads of money.

Because the term 'pro-lifer' is a misnomer. The people protesting clinics, the ones lobbying to have abortion outlawed, the ones who think that their personal morals should dictate the behavior of everyone, should rightfully be called 'forced-birthers'. And they don't care about what a woman wants, or what's healthy or best for her, or even what would be best for the baby that they want to force her to carry to term.

[linaloki]

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linaloki

Cancer is like a fetus in that it is a separable entity that can cause harm, is human in nature, does not chose where it is, and can be legally removed at the behest of the host. By your earlier phraseology, insinuating that a fetus should not be killed since it is "not attacking the woman, it's not raping or stabbing or threatening her-- it's merely living and growing. Functioning as an organism as all humans do, and it can't do otherwise", the same can be said about cancer.

Hmm. Attempting to negate the humanity of the fetus by calling it a cancer.
If left alone, would cancer grow into a baby?

Point me to where I called a fetus a cancer, please.

Meanwhile, I'd like to point out that I said the two were comparable in the wording and situation used by the previous person.

"I'm not saying your girlfriend's a whore, I'm just saying she acts like a whore. It's totally different."

Strawman. Someone doesn't understand what a metaphor is. Here's a kindergarten example that might be in your grasp of understanding.

"The grass is like a carpet."

Does that mean the grass is carpet? No. Does it exhibit some, but not all, characteristics shared by carpet? Yes.

[Buzz995]

Kata Samoes

Buzz995

I would call myself pro-choice.

I would say that abortion should be avoided if possible. For example, if the baby is going to be healthy, and the family are able to give it a stable upbringing, then everything should be done to keep the baby. Or if the mother is sufficiently prepared, adoption is another alternative that should be considered.

However, if the baby is not healthy, the mothers life is at risk, or the situation is not right for the baby to be brought up in a loving environment (eg- financial difficulties, mother too young, unstable family situation etc) then abortion is a viable option.

I'm against late stage abortion though. After 24 weeks the foetus is viable outside the womb with medical intervention. However, this shouldn't mean life at all costs- if a baby is born prematurely and will have life long complications due to it, then thats a whole different debate, and I wouldn't want to put that suffering on a child. However, that's off the topic.

You can't make abortion illegal. If it did happen, then it'd go back to dangerous, back street abortions where the mother often ended up as dead as the foetus. And if they do reduce the time limit, then they need to start giving them on demand, because two referals then an apointment can often take up to a month or more. And if you don't find out for a month or so, then you run the risk of pushing it into late stage, which would be horrific for all involved.

As for if it's 'baby killing'- the foetus is not alive in a medical sense until theres a heartbeat. And personally, I wouldn't say it's alive until it's breathing for itself- so at birth. Not saying it should be aborted up until then, but I am saying it should not be called murder by prolifers.

1. It's not a baby. It's a fetus. Babies are born.

2. It's alive when it was an egg and sperm: life does not come from non-life.

3. Why is viability determined by financial reasoning, health, or age? What about the mother simply either not ready for one, regardless of any other reason, or NEVER wanting to be pregnant and be a mother. Adoption may solve unwanted parenting, but what about those who simply don't want to be or stay pregnant?

Oh yes. And what about rape?

1- I believe I only used baby to refer to anything outside the womb.

2- Life does not come from non-life? So whenever we have a period and the body naturally disposes of the egg this is the killing of a life is it? Scientifically speaking, it is not alive until it has a heartbeat, so thats the way I choose to think of life.

3- (Sorry- are you for or against abortion? You seem to keep switching. Just curiosity- I love people with good arguments smile ) Viability of the foetus is not determined by financial reasoning, health, or age in my argument, viability of having a baby is. Slightly different. And if you read back, I said that if the sitauation for having a baby is not right, I support abortion. I would consider the mother having an aversion to pregnancy to be loosely attached to this, since the baby would not be loved therefore shouldnt have to be born into that household. However, I would say explored other options if possible.

4- Rape I do believe would again fall under the situation tag. But that's only a way to get pregnant (I'm not belittling rape, so don't jump on me for that anyone) whereas the handling of the pregnancy again falls under other peramaters. If the mother can deal with how her baby was conceived- and many do and love their children- then the other factors become the issue. If she can't mentally deal with the situation of her babies conception, then of course she should abort.