The Abortion Debate

[Denzorz]

lymelady

1. Year I was born.

If you want to dislike people who think that your mother shouldn't have had the right to get rid of a fetus, go nuts. Dislike whoever you want to.

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2. By definition they are children since they're offspring. Whether or not you want to see them as people is different since children really is a term that can be extended past humans anyway.

One, no they aren't children, as child is medically defined from 2 years of age til 12, last I checked.
The law doesn't see them as people, and neither do I.

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3. Alright then but pro-choice people tend to complain about that one. Just saying, you're just as bad as they are, so have fun with that!

Whatever, chickybabe. They're not friends with me because they incorrectly believe I'm killing babies. I'm not friends with them because they're arrogant basatrds who want to force their likes and dislikes onto me body.
Really couldn't care less.

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4. Alright, I'm sure it will help the world for the cycle of disrespect to continue, and I'm sure women like ourselves will benefit loads.

I dont' sacrifice my morals. I believe lying is wrong, very, very wrong. I don't do it to people I care about, and I believe that it's wrong enough that I won't do it to people that I despise.
Just because I find them to be completely and utterly wrong and offensive doesn't mean they deserve lies.
Friendship and respect mean a lot to me. I won't belittle them by turning them into lies.

[mychals_username]

linaloki

mychals_username

Abortion is murder. And you do have a choice, keep the child or give for adoption, but it's not the woman's choice. It's BOTH parent's choice. if you think your to young to have a baby you should probably keep you pants on. if you've been raped, put the kid up for adoption. don't murder an innocent life

Abortion isn't murder. Murder is the illegal killing of someone with malicious intent. Abortion is not illegal, nor is it malicious in its intent. Also, it doesn't kill someone.

Also, a fetus is not innocent.

OH ya, a fetus is real threat to humanity!!! what exactly has a fetus done to make it uninnocent? and murder is taking a life purpously...hhmmmm, choice and taking a life.....sounds like murder to me!

[lymelady]

Cute ^^

And it's not murder because murder is illegal. Just like at the time, the holocaust wasn't murder. It's a sad, but there it is.

[linaloki]

mychals_username

linaloki

mychals_username

Abortion is murder. And you do have a choice, keep the child or give for adoption, but it's not the woman's choice. It's BOTH parent's choice. if you think your to young to have a baby you should probably keep you pants on. if you've been raped, put the kid up for adoption. don't murder an innocent life

Abortion isn't murder. Murder is the illegal killing of someone with malicious intent. Abortion is not illegal, nor is it malicious in its intent. Also, it doesn't kill someone.

Also, a fetus is not innocent.

OH ya, a fetus is real threat to humanity!!! what exactly has a fetus done to make it uninnocent? and murder is taking a life purpously...hhmmmm, choice and taking a life.....sounds like murder to me!

A fetus isn't guilty, but it isn't innocent, either. Duality of nature states that there must be guilt for there to be innocence, and a fetus has not had a chance for either.

And, if that's how you define murder, then is the death penalty murder? Is war murder? Is making eggs murder?

What makes the fetus' life more important than the life of an animal?

[mychals_username]

mychals_username

linaloki

mychals_username

Abortion is murder. And you do have a choice, keep the child or give for adoption, but it's not the woman's choice. It's BOTH parent's choice. if you think your to young to have a baby you should probably keep you pants on. if you've been raped, put the kid up for adoption. don't murder an innocent life

Abortion isn't murder. Murder is the illegal killing of someone with malicious intent. Abortion is not illegal, nor is it malicious in its intent. Also, it doesn't kill someone.

Also, a fetus is not innocent.

OH ya, a fetus is real threat to humanity!!! what exactly has a fetus done to make it uninnocent? and murder is taking a life purpously...hhmmmm, choice and taking a life.....sounds like murder to me!

oh, and your right, it's not 'illegal', not yet anyway. this spring i'll be in DC protesting with my peers. we're protesting to make ALL murder illegal

[linaloki]

mychals_username

mychals_username

linaloki

mychals_username

Abortion is murder. And you do have a choice, keep the child or give for adoption, but it's not the woman's choice. It's BOTH parent's choice. if you think your to young to have a baby you should probably keep you pants on. if you've been raped, put the kid up for adoption. don't murder an innocent life

Abortion isn't murder. Murder is the illegal killing of someone with malicious intent. Abortion is not illegal, nor is it malicious in its intent. Also, it doesn't kill someone.

Also, a fetus is not innocent.

OH ya, a fetus is real threat to humanity!!! what exactly has a fetus done to make it uninnocent? and murder is taking a life purpously...hhmmmm, choice and taking a life.....sounds like murder to me!

oh, and your right, it's not 'illegal', not yet anyway. this spring i'll be in DC protesting with my peers. we're protesting to make ALL murder illegal

All murder is illegal already. Abortion isn't legally murder. You'll have to make abortion murder, not murder illegal. Otherwise, your protest is kind of... pointless.

[mychals_username]

linaloki

mychals_username

linaloki

mychals_username

Abortion is murder. And you do have a choice, keep the child or give for adoption, but it's not the woman's choice. It's BOTH parent's choice. if you think your to young to have a baby you should probably keep you pants on. if you've been raped, put the kid up for adoption. don't murder an innocent life

Abortion isn't murder. Murder is the illegal killing of someone with malicious intent. Abortion is not illegal, nor is it malicious in its intent. Also, it doesn't kill someone.

Also, a fetus is not innocent.

OH ya, a fetus is real threat to humanity!!! what exactly has a fetus done to make it uninnocent? and murder is taking a life purpously...hhmmmm, choice and taking a life.....sounds like murder to me!

A fetus isn't guilty, but it isn't innocent, either. Duality of nature states that there must be guilt for there to be innocence, and a fetus has not had a chance for either.

And, if that's how you define murder, then is the death penalty murder? Is war murder? Is making eggs murder?

What makes the fetus' life more important than the life of an animal?

a fetus will grow into a human...thats what makes it more important. and all humans are created innocent. it's alive...you can't say it's not. the baby moves and grows and needs nurishment.

[Denzorz]

mychals_username

Abortion is murder.

No it isn't. Murder is a legal term with three prerequisites that abortion does not meet.

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And you do have a choice, keep the child or give for adoption,

Bullshit choices. Those deal with parenting. Abortion deals with pregnancy.

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but it's not the woman's choice. It's BOTH parent's choice.

********.
It isn't his body, his health, his life, his future at risk.
It's mine.
I get to make the choice.

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if you think your to young to have a baby you should probably keep you pants on.

Wrongo.
The maturity level needed for sex is different than that of having a kid.

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if you've been raped, put the kid up for adoption.

******** you. I am beyond sick and tired of people saying that women who were raped should suffer an additional nine months of their body being violated. Have some goddamned sympathy for women in that situation.

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don't murder an innocent life

It isn't murder, and the fetus is innocent the same way a rock is. Big whoop.

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iwould just like to add that it's more than just religion.

Dont' care if the reasoning is religious or non.

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i mean, unreligious people don't go killing random people they don't know, who have done nothing wrong.

Neither do women who get abrotions.
Because you know, fetii aren't people.

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i would like to add...HOW IS THIS NOT MUDER? by not giving the unborn child a life youu are taking that life away.

Unborn child is a misnomer since to be a child, you have to be born.
It isn't mruder because murder is
-illegal
-killing a person
-premeditated

Abortion is not illegal and a fetus is not a person, therefore, abortion/=murder.

[linaloki]

mychals_username

linaloki

mychals_username

linaloki

mychals_username

Abortion is murder. And you do have a choice, keep the child or give for adoption, but it's not the woman's choice. It's BOTH parent's choice. if you think your to young to have a baby you should probably keep you pants on. if you've been raped, put the kid up for adoption. don't murder an innocent life

Abortion isn't murder. Murder is the illegal killing of someone with malicious intent. Abortion is not illegal, nor is it malicious in its intent. Also, it doesn't kill someone.

Also, a fetus is not innocent.

OH ya, a fetus is real threat to humanity!!! what exactly has a fetus done to make it uninnocent? and murder is taking a life purpously...hhmmmm, choice and taking a life.....sounds like murder to me!

A fetus isn't guilty, but it isn't innocent, either. Duality of nature states that there must be guilt for there to be innocence, and a fetus has not had a chance for either.

And, if that's how you define murder, then is the death penalty murder? Is war murder? Is making eggs murder?

What makes the fetus' life more important than the life of an animal?

a fetus will grow into a human...thats what makes it more important. and all humans are created innocent. it's alive...you can't say it's not. the baby moves and grows and needs nurishment.

A fetus might grow into a human. Just like I might become President of the United States. But I'm not allowed to veto Congress. Why not? If the fetus is allowed rights for what it might be, should I not be allowed rights for what I might be?

And, yes, all human beings are BORN innocent. Once they have the capacity to be guilty, that is. But that's a moot point, as it deals with philosophies I have a sinking suspicion you don't know of.

And I never said a fetus wasn't alive. I want to know why its life is more important than that of an enemy of the state, a criminal, or an animal.

[mychals_username]

PhoenixDenz

mychals_username

Abortion is murder.

No it isn't. Murder is a legal term with three prerequisites that abortion does not meet.

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And you do have a choice, keep the child or give for adoption,

Bullshit choices. Those deal with parenting. Abortion deals with pregnancy.

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but it's not the woman's choice. It's BOTH parent's choice.

********.
It isn't his body, his health, his life, his future at risk.
It's mine.
I get to make the choice.

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if you think your to young to have a baby you should probably keep you pants on.

Wrongo.
The maturity level needed for sex is different than that of having a kid.

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if you've been raped, put the kid up for adoption.

f**k you. I am beyond sick and tired of people saying that women who were raped should suffer an additional nine months of their body being violated. Have some goddamned sympathy for women in that situation.

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don't murder an innocent life

It isn't murder, and the fetus is innocent the same way a rock is. Big whoop.

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iwould just like to add that it's more than just religion.

Dont' care if the reasoning is religious or non.

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i mean, unreligious people don't go killing random people they don't know, who have done nothing wrong.

Neither do women who get abrotions.
Because you know, fetii aren't people.

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i would like to add...HOW IS THIS NOT MUDER? by not giving the unborn child a life youu are taking that life away.

Unborn child is a misnomer since to be a child, you have to be born.
It isn't mruder because murder is
-illegal
-killing a person
-premeditated

Abortion is not illegal and a fetus is not a person, therefore, abortion/=murder.

not all murder is premeditated or illegal. and they are people, they just havn't left the woumb. oh, and you are ready foe kids and sex at the same time. just because you want to have sex doesn't mean your ready. and it takes 2 people to make a baby. they are both parents-together-

[linaloki]

mychals_username

not all murder is premeditated or illegal. and they are people, they just havn't left the woumb

Was Terry Schiavo, after her brain was no longer working, still a person in your opinion? By person, I mean a member of society with a discernible ability to think/have personality.

[mychals_username]

linaloki

mychals_username

not all murder is premeditated or illegal. and they are people, they just havn't left the woumb

Was Terry Schiavo, after her brain was no longer working, still a person in your opinion? By person, I mean a member of society with a discernible ability to think/have personality.

in my opion yes, she was a person, but they should not have kept her on life support when they knew she would never recover. a baby will develop, Terry Schiavlo could not.

[linaloki]

mychals_username

linaloki

mychals_username

not all murder is premeditated or illegal. and they are people, they just havn't left the woumb

Was Terry Schiavo, after her brain was no longer working, still a person in your opinion? By person, I mean a member of society with a discernible ability to think/have personality.

in my opion yes, she was a person, but they should not have kept her on life support when they knew she would never recover. a baby will develop, Terry Schiavlo could not.

So, what do you define a person or human being as? Note, that's different than a human. Mozart is human, but he is no longer a human being.

And a fetus might develop.

[mychals_username]

linaloki

mychals_username

linaloki

mychals_username

linaloki

mychals_username

Abortion is murder. And you do have a choice, keep the child or give for adoption, but it's not the woman's choice. It's BOTH parent's choice. if you think your to young to have a baby you should probably keep you pants on. if you've been raped, put the kid up for adoption. don't murder an innocent life

Abortion isn't murder. Murder is the illegal killing of someone with malicious intent. Abortion is not illegal, nor is it malicious in its intent. Also, it doesn't kill someone.

Also, a fetus is not innocent.

OH ya, a fetus is real threat to humanity!!! what exactly has a fetus done to make it uninnocent? and murder is taking a life purpously...hhmmmm, choice and taking a life.....sounds like murder to me!

A fetus isn't guilty, but it isn't innocent, either. Duality of nature states that there must be guilt for there to be innocence, and a fetus has not had a chance for either.

And, if that's how you define murder, then is the death penalty murder? Is war murder? Is making eggs murder?

What makes the fetus' life more important than the life of an animal?

a fetus will grow into a human...thats what makes it more important. and all humans are created innocent. it's alive...you can't say it's not. the baby moves and grows and needs nurishment.

A fetus might grow into a human. Just like I might become President of the United States. But I'm not allowed to veto Congress. Why not? If the fetus is allowed rights for what it might be, should I not be allowed rights for what I might be?

And, yes, all human beings are BORN innocent. Once they have the capacity to be guilty, that is. But that's a moot point, as it deals with philosophies I have a sinking suspicion you don't know of.

And I never said a fetus wasn't alive. I want to know why its life is more important than that of an enemy of the state, a criminal, or an animal.

humans are above other animals. we have eternal souls, thay do not. you don't kill enemys of the state, and i am not supportive of the death sentance, the child should have the same rights as everyone...letting it live isn't giving it more rights

[Heart of the Fallen Angel]

mychals_username

Abortion is murder. And you do have a choice, keep the child or give for adoption, but it's not the woman's choice. It's BOTH parent's choice. if you think your to young to have a baby you should probably keep you pants on. if you've been raped, put the kid up for adoption. don't murder an innocent life

Abortion is not murder, don't you dare even try to call abortion murder ever again, it's not. Here, let me give you the LEGAL definition of murder, which explains why abortion is NOT and NEVER will be murder. bolding and size on emphasis for relevance to debate. Please, read it, understand it, and learn something, and for god's sake, stop misusing words.

Law.com says

Murder
n. the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority. In those clear circumstances, this is first degree murder. By statute, many states consider a killing in which there is torture, movement of the person before the killing (kidnapping) or the death of a police officer or prison guard, or it was as an incident to another crime (as during a hold-up or rape), to be first degree murder, with or without premeditation and with malice presumed. Second degree murder is such a killing without premeditation, as in the heat of passion or in a sudden quarrel or fight. Malice in second degree murder may be implied from a death due to the reckless lack of concern for the life of others (such as firing a gun into a crowd or bashing someone with any deadly weapon). Depending on the circumstances and state laws, murder in the first or second degree may be chargeable to a person who did not actually kill, but was involved in a crime with a partner who actually did the killing or someone died as the result of the crime. Example: In a liquor store stick-up in which the clerk shoots back at the hold-up man and kills a bystander, the armed robber can be convicted of at least second degree murder. A charge of murder requires that the victim must die within a year of the attack. Death of an unborn child who is "quick" (fetus is moving) can be murder, provided there was premeditation, malice and no legal authority. Thus, abortion is not murder under the law. Example: Jack Violent shoots his pregnant girlfriend, killing the fetus. Manslaughter, both voluntary and involuntary, lacks the element of malice aforethought.