The Abortion Debate

[Masturbating_Rot_Crow]

RubberDuckOfHell

Masturbating_Rot_Crow

Drakmore the malice child

thats exactly what i am saying, you have no more right to your body than anything else because no logic can antiquatly state that you have more right? what you get to just decide that it is yours because thats what your perception tells you is most reasonable? how absurd. you only have the idea that has been passed down and not questioned... the body has to be yours because you can make it move and talk in it is well just your right. how stupid, how idiotic. i question it and to the other comment no the cells do not have to argue a point because your argument is completely bias in the fact that you only look at it as you can only be the winner. nothing has to debate and anything can debate for anything. besides in the end we humans only act on what ever force is the highest, emotional, physical, external or internal. you think you have more right to your body than anything else? i don't recall your cells saying you could move in and they make up the body... even if they can't speak how dare you act upon there life functions. you do what you can because you can, your the same as a rapist, your the same as a murder, what you do though is looked on differently by other people but its relatively the same process. acting on living matter for self pleasure.

I'll keep that in mind if my organs ever fail. I just strap you down and take all of your's since your so apt to share.
So if you're body belongs to everyone, why the hell isn't it cleaning my catbox? Get my a** back in here and clean this s**t up.

Everyone is, I guess, supposed to be so apt to sharing as he is. If that were true, we would have no need to answer the question if we wanted to be organ donors, because my body is your body, Crow. Mi casa es su casa. Therefore you should be allowed to forcefully remove a fetus from my uterus because I'm supposed to share.

Well I did need one. I had a cool idea to sparypaint one orange and gold and stick it in a fishbowl with a plastic castle and a treasure chest.

[Pretend Gheppetto]

Cherry Cheri

RubberDuckOfHell

Masturbating_Rot_Crow

Drakmore the malice child

thats exactly what i am saying, you have no more right to your body than anything else because no logic can antiquatly state that you have more right? what you get to just decide that it is yours because thats what your perception tells you is most reasonable? how absurd. you only have the idea that has been passed down and not questioned... the body has to be yours because you can make it move and talk in it is well just your right. how stupid, how idiotic. i question it and to the other comment no the cells do not have to argue a point because your argument is completely bias in the fact that you only look at it as you can only be the winner. nothing has to debate and anything can debate for anything. besides in the end we humans only act on what ever force is the highest, emotional, physical, external or internal. you think you have more right to your body than anything else? i don't recall your cells saying you could move in and they make up the body... even if they can't speak how dare you act upon there life functions. you do what you can because you can, your the same as a rapist, your the same as a murder, what you do though is looked on differently by other people but its relatively the same process. acting on living matter for self pleasure.

I'll keep that in mind if my organs ever fail. I just strap you down and take all of your's since your so apt to share.
So if you're body belongs to everyone, why the hell isn't it cleaning my catbox? Get my a** back in here and clean this s**t up.

Everyone is, I guess, supposed to be so apt to sharing as he is. If that were true, we would have no need to answer the question if we wanted to be organ donors, because my body is your body, Crow. Mi casa es su casa. Therefore you should be allowed to forcefully remove a fetus from my uterus because I'm supposed to share.

Yeah, maybe she wants to eat fetus, or hang it up on her wall for decoration. I mean, since no one really owns their body, that means everyone owns everyones body, and can do with them as they wish.

go for it after all it all comes down to which force is bigger...

[linaloki]

Drakmore the malice child

this theory of yours has no right to stand.

What right do you have to deny my theory its rights? I don't recall my theory saying you could do whatever you wanted to it. GET THE ******** AWAY FROM MY THEORY, a*****e! scream

Drakmore the malice child

one cannot prove there existence to others and cannot even prove there physical body to themselves. at least thats as believable as those lesser organisms just don't exist. there is no rule stating one must stand up for there own existence to be real or considered as such. in the end its the same you manipulating your own or someone else's body is the same meaning nothing more than dominance over that being, even if it is you or another.

Oh, okay.

So, you won't mind if I stab you in the gut? Considering I don't exist.

[Pretend Gheppetto]

Masturbating_Rot_Crow

Heart of the Fallen Angel

Drakmore the malice child

RubberDuckOfHell

Drakmore the malice child

and you decide its your body? on what basis do you make that claim that you have more right to your body than anything else? you can move it, you were there first, the constitution says so? get off your high horse. you have no more right than anything else logically as you are as insignificant to it as any parasite. prove you even have more right to your body than anything else and then you have a discussion. until then its just removing something in your body because you can and it pleases you more than the alternate rout there is no real difference between a person removing a life form from there body for there own wants than a rapist using your body for there own wants. in the end its just the final output of the highest force making the decision. with rape the only difference is the victim can use the court to fight back.

Ok, so by your logic, I DON'T have right to my body? That a rapist has just as much right to my body as anything else does? So then if someone rapes you, it's ok because you don't have more right to your own body than they do. If I have tape worm, I shouldn't be allowed to remove it from me because it has just as much right to my body as I do. If I have lice, I shouldn't be allowed to use special shampoo to remove them because they have just as much right to my body as I do.

Seriously, what kind of argument is that? Your body is YOUR body. My body is MY body. That is a given right, a natural right. What I do with MY body is MY choice. What you do with YOUR body is YOUR choice. BUT, according to you, everything has as much right to your body as you do. So don't get rid of that lice and tape worm. Don't get chemotherapy for that cancer. Don't fight back against that rapist. They all have a right to use your body the way they please.

thats exactly what i am saying, you have no more right to your body than anything else because no logic can antiquatly state that you have more right? what you get to just decide that it is yours because thats what your perception tells you is most reasonable? how absurd. you only have the idea that has been passed down and not questioned... the body has to be yours because you can make it move and talk in it is well just your right. how stupid, how idiotic. i question it and to the other comment no the cells do not have to argue a point because your argument is completely bias in the fact that you only look at it as you can only be the winner. nothing has to debate and anything can debate for anything. besides in the end we humans only act on what ever force is the highest, emotional, physical, external or internal. you think you have more right to your body than anything else? i don't recall your cells saying you could move in and they make up the body... even if they can't speak how dare you act upon there life functions. you do what you can because you can, your the same as a rapist, your the same as a murder, what you do though is looked on differently by other people but its relatively the same process. acting on living matter for self pleasure.

Hypothetically speaking, I see you walking on the street. I beat you to near death and leave you. You survive. By your logic, I was within my rights to leave you for dead, and should not be punished.

Honey, by that logic you should go back and finish the job if your heart so desires.

wrongo hunny... think about it i do have a way to force back on you. the law system gives me that force and i can use that, i never said no shouldn't take punishment but i don't try to say who deserves it i just dish it out if I feel i can give them the force for there misdeeds to pay. i cover all my bases

[Masturbating_Rot_Crow]

Drakmore the malice child

Cherry Cheri

RubberDuckOfHell

Masturbating_Rot_Crow

Drakmore the malice child

thats exactly what i am saying, you have no more right to your body than anything else because no logic can antiquatly state that you have more right? what you get to just decide that it is yours because thats what your perception tells you is most reasonable? how absurd. you only have the idea that has been passed down and not questioned... the body has to be yours because you can make it move and talk in it is well just your right. how stupid, how idiotic. i question it and to the other comment no the cells do not have to argue a point because your argument is completely bias in the fact that you only look at it as you can only be the winner. nothing has to debate and anything can debate for anything. besides in the end we humans only act on what ever force is the highest, emotional, physical, external or internal. you think you have more right to your body than anything else? i don't recall your cells saying you could move in and they make up the body... even if they can't speak how dare you act upon there life functions. you do what you can because you can, your the same as a rapist, your the same as a murder, what you do though is looked on differently by other people but its relatively the same process. acting on living matter for self pleasure.

I'll keep that in mind if my organs ever fail. I just strap you down and take all of your's since your so apt to share.
So if you're body belongs to everyone, why the hell isn't it cleaning my catbox? Get my a** back in here and clean this s**t up.

Everyone is, I guess, supposed to be so apt to sharing as he is. If that were true, we would have no need to answer the question if we wanted to be organ donors, because my body is your body, Crow. Mi casa es su casa. Therefore you should be allowed to forcefully remove a fetus from my uterus because I'm supposed to share.

Yeah, maybe she wants to eat fetus, or hang it up on her wall for decoration. I mean, since no one really owns their body, that means everyone owns everyones body, and can do with them as they wish.

go for it after all it all comes down to which force is bigger...

Well then if I ask the fetus if it wants to be removed and it doesn't say no then I can abort. Hell, it doesn't matter if it says no because I can use the body however I please. If I want it in a jar then it's going in a jar.
So in the end, I can still abort and be utterly justified by your logic, and there isn't a damn thing the fetus could do if it could do anything.
Which it can't.

[Chocolatey Sprinkles]

Drakmore the malice child

Cherry Cheri

RubberDuckOfHell

Masturbating_Rot_Crow

Drakmore the malice child

thats exactly what i am saying, you have no more right to your body than anything else because no logic can antiquatly state that you have more right? what you get to just decide that it is yours because thats what your perception tells you is most reasonable? how absurd. you only have the idea that has been passed down and not questioned... the body has to be yours because you can make it move and talk in it is well just your right. how stupid, how idiotic. i question it and to the other comment no the cells do not have to argue a point because your argument is completely bias in the fact that you only look at it as you can only be the winner. nothing has to debate and anything can debate for anything. besides in the end we humans only act on what ever force is the highest, emotional, physical, external or internal. you think you have more right to your body than anything else? i don't recall your cells saying you could move in and they make up the body... even if they can't speak how dare you act upon there life functions. you do what you can because you can, your the same as a rapist, your the same as a murder, what you do though is looked on differently by other people but its relatively the same process. acting on living matter for self pleasure.

I'll keep that in mind if my organs ever fail. I just strap you down and take all of your's since your so apt to share.
So if you're body belongs to everyone, why the hell isn't it cleaning my catbox? Get my a** back in here and clean this s**t up.

Everyone is, I guess, supposed to be so apt to sharing as he is. If that were true, we would have no need to answer the question if we wanted to be organ donors, because my body is your body, Crow. Mi casa es su casa. Therefore you should be allowed to forcefully remove a fetus from my uterus because I'm supposed to share.

Yeah, maybe she wants to eat fetus, or hang it up on her wall for decoration. I mean, since no one really owns their body, that means everyone owns everyones body, and can do with them as they wish.

go for it after all it all comes down to which force is bigger...

Right, so if you were tied down and raped, you wouldn't be able to go to court. It's completely ok. The fact that someone ******** you against your will means jack s**t since they have right to make you their sex slave.

[Heart of the Fallen Angel]

Drakmore the malice child

this theory of yours has no right to stand. one cannot prove there existence to others and cannot even prove there physical body to themselves. at least thats as believable as those lesser organisms just don't exist. there is no rule stating one must stand up for there own existence to be real or considered as such. in the end its the same you manipulating your own or someone else's body is the same meaning nothing more than dominance over that being, even if it is you or another.

Seeing that this is a legal/medical debate, please take your philosophy class to another thread. See, the problem with even trying to argue with you is that you think Philosophy is the end-all, be-all of proof. It's not, in fact, philosophy doesn't constitute proof in any way. Scientifically I can prove my existence. In fact, you are proving my existence as well, as you've responded to my post. I made a post, thus verifying my own existence to myself. You replied, thus verifying to you that I exist.

So, since you're stuck on Philosophy, please, disprove my exisistence without using scientific method, simply put, you cannot, as you've acknowledged that I exist just by reading this post. Now that that's done, please get the ******** back on topic, and leave philosophy to a philosophy thread.

[Pretend Gheppetto]

linaloki

Drakmore the malice child

this theory of yours has no right to stand.

What right do you have to deny my theory its rights? I don't recall my theory saying you could do whatever you wanted to it. GET THE ******** AWAY FROM MY THEORY, a*****e! scream

Drakmore the malice child

one cannot prove there existence to others and cannot even prove there physical body to themselves. at least thats as believable as those lesser organisms just don't exist. there is no rule stating one must stand up for there own existence to be real or considered as such. in the end its the same you manipulating your own or someone else's body is the same meaning nothing more than dominance over that being, even if it is you or another.

Oh, okay.

So, you won't mind if I stab you in the gut? Considering I don't exist.

hey who am i to stop you? give it a shot but then i have equal chance to attack you as well. i don't see what makes survival of the fittest such a foolish idea. after all nature lets it happen and humans have to try and force any other laws right?

[Pretend Gheppetto]

Heart of the Fallen Angel

Drakmore the malice child

this theory of yours has no right to stand. one cannot prove there existence to others and cannot even prove there physical body to themselves. at least thats as believable as those lesser organisms just don't exist. there is no rule stating one must stand up for there own existence to be real or considered as such. in the end its the same you manipulating your own or someone else's body is the same meaning nothing more than dominance over that being, even if it is you or another.

Seeing that this is a legal/medical debate, please take your philosophy class to another thread. See, the problem with even trying to argue with you is that you think Philosophy is the end-all, be-all of proof. It's not, in fact, philosophy doesn't constitute proof in any way. Scientifically I can prove my existence. In fact, you are proving my existence as well, as you've responded to my post. I made a post, thus verifying my own existence to myself. You replied, thus verifying to you that I exist.

So, since you're stuck on Philosophy, please, disprove my exisistence without using scientific method, simply put, you cannot, as you've acknowledged that I exist just by reading this post. Now that that's done, please get the ******** back on topic, and leave philosophy to a philosophy thread.

oh my heart it has been pierced and i feel i must leave this thread in defeat.

ed says nothing about needing science you little p***k, and don't start giving orders like you own the place.

bottom line is i'm just being logical, after all i have stated why my views make sense and even science says when two forces collide the stronger shale overpower the weaker. and that is all i am saying and with that as a basis, i can easily say that nothing is law worthy scientifically. law is a philosophy and you used it in a few of your points as well right, or even made reference to it, and abortion takes in the concept of if it is legal or not. law is philosophies that are enforced there is no science in human rights just philosophy. you should leave ed for not paying attention. so i will use philosophy and science and what ever the hell i want.

[Pretend Gheppetto]

RubberDuckOfHell

Drakmore the malice child

Cherry Cheri

RubberDuckOfHell

Masturbating_Rot_Crow

Drakmore the malice child

thats exactly what i am saying, you have no more right to your body than anything else because no logic can antiquatly state that you have more right? what you get to just decide that it is yours because thats what your perception tells you is most reasonable? how absurd. you only have the idea that has been passed down and not questioned... the body has to be yours because you can make it move and talk in it is well just your right. how stupid, how idiotic. i question it and to the other comment no the cells do not have to argue a point because your argument is completely bias in the fact that you only look at it as you can only be the winner. nothing has to debate and anything can debate for anything. besides in the end we humans only act on what ever force is the highest, emotional, physical, external or internal. you think you have more right to your body than anything else? i don't recall your cells saying you could move in and they make up the body... even if they can't speak how dare you act upon there life functions. you do what you can because you can, your the same as a rapist, your the same as a murder, what you do though is looked on differently by other people but its relatively the same process. acting on living matter for self pleasure.

I'll keep that in mind if my organs ever fail. I just strap you down and take all of your's since your so apt to share.
So if you're body belongs to everyone, why the hell isn't it cleaning my catbox? Get my a** back in here and clean this s**t up.

Everyone is, I guess, supposed to be so apt to sharing as he is. If that were true, we would have no need to answer the question if we wanted to be organ donors, because my body is your body, Crow. Mi casa es su casa. Therefore you should be allowed to forcefully remove a fetus from my uterus because I'm supposed to share.

Yeah, maybe she wants to eat fetus, or hang it up on her wall for decoration. I mean, since no one really owns their body, that means everyone owns everyones body, and can do with them as they wish.

go for it after all it all comes down to which force is bigger...

Right, so if you were tied down and raped, you wouldn't be able to go to court. It's completely ok. The fact that someone ******** you against your will means jack s**t since they have right to make you their sex slave.

pay the ******** attention... i said use anything you want to fight it, law or otherwise and i never said exclude law. all i am saying is it doesn't really matter if you like it or not, the bigger force wins and in the end can you really do much except yap about how much you hate the outcome. and again no rights just power, thats how it is luv

[Cherry Cheri]

Drakmore the malice child

RubberDuckOfHell

Drakmore the malice child

Cherry Cheri

RubberDuckOfHell

Everyone is, I guess, supposed to be so apt to sharing as he is. If that were true, we would have no need to answer the question if we wanted to be organ donors, because my body is your body, Crow. Mi casa es su casa. Therefore you should be allowed to forcefully remove a fetus from my uterus because I'm supposed to share.

Yeah, maybe she wants to eat fetus, or hang it up on her wall for decoration. I mean, since no one really owns their body, that means everyone owns everyones body, and can do with them as they wish.

go for it after all it all comes down to which force is bigger...

Right, so if you were tied down and raped, you wouldn't be able to go to court. It's completely ok. The fact that someone ******** you against your will means jack s**t since they have right to make you their sex slave.

pay the ******** attention... i said use anything you want to fight it, law or otherwise and i never said exclude law. all i am saying is it doesn't really matter if you like it or not, the bigger force wins and in the end can you really do much except yap about how much you hate the outcome. and again no rights just power, thats how it is luv

So, the bigger force wins? And currently the biggest force in this debate is laws, and the laws are on our side....we win.

Now, back on subject.

[Pretend Gheppetto]

Masturbating_Rot_Crow

Drakmore the malice child

Cherry Cheri

RubberDuckOfHell

Masturbating_Rot_Crow

Drakmore the malice child

thats exactly what i am saying, you have no more right to your body than anything else because no logic can antiquatly state that you have more right? what you get to just decide that it is yours because thats what your perception tells you is most reasonable? how absurd. you only have the idea that has been passed down and not questioned... the body has to be yours because you can make it move and talk in it is well just your right. how stupid, how idiotic. i question it and to the other comment no the cells do not have to argue a point because your argument is completely bias in the fact that you only look at it as you can only be the winner. nothing has to debate and anything can debate for anything. besides in the end we humans only act on what ever force is the highest, emotional, physical, external or internal. you think you have more right to your body than anything else? i don't recall your cells saying you could move in and they make up the body... even if they can't speak how dare you act upon there life functions. you do what you can because you can, your the same as a rapist, your the same as a murder, what you do though is looked on differently by other people but its relatively the same process. acting on living matter for self pleasure.

I'll keep that in mind if my organs ever fail. I just strap you down and take all of your's since your so apt to share.
So if you're body belongs to everyone, why the hell isn't it cleaning my catbox? Get my a** back in here and clean this s**t up.

Everyone is, I guess, supposed to be so apt to sharing as he is. If that were true, we would have no need to answer the question if we wanted to be organ donors, because my body is your body, Crow. Mi casa es su casa. Therefore you should be allowed to forcefully remove a fetus from my uterus because I'm supposed to share.

Yeah, maybe she wants to eat fetus, or hang it up on her wall for decoration. I mean, since no one really owns their body, that means everyone owns everyones body, and can do with them as they wish.

go for it after all it all comes down to which force is bigger...

Well then if I ask the fetus if it wants to be removed and it doesn't say no then I can abort. Hell, it doesn't matter if it says no because I can use the body however I please. If I want it in a jar then it's going in a jar.
So in the end, I can still abort and be utterly justified by your logic, and there isn't a damn thing the fetus could do if it could do anything.
Which it can't.

and now your getting it. no human can say it is right or wrong nor can anything higher or lower. the overall point is power is the only real decision maker. if it happens i don't like it so what? i can force something on them and if i am weaker i fail. its how it works, get over it and let people do what they want or do something selfish in return to stop it. but deciding if it is right or wrong, what a load of crap!

[Pretend Gheppetto]

Cherry Cheri

Drakmore the malice child

RubberDuckOfHell

Drakmore the malice child

Cherry Cheri

RubberDuckOfHell

Everyone is, I guess, supposed to be so apt to sharing as he is. If that were true, we would have no need to answer the question if we wanted to be organ donors, because my body is your body, Crow. Mi casa es su casa. Therefore you should be allowed to forcefully remove a fetus from my uterus because I'm supposed to share.

Yeah, maybe she wants to eat fetus, or hang it up on her wall for decoration. I mean, since no one really owns their body, that means everyone owns everyones body, and can do with them as they wish.

go for it after all it all comes down to which force is bigger...

Right, so if you were tied down and raped, you wouldn't be able to go to court. It's completely ok. The fact that someone ******** you against your will means jack s**t since they have right to make you their sex slave.

pay the ******** attention... i said use anything you want to fight it, law or otherwise and i never said exclude law. all i am saying is it doesn't really matter if you like it or not, the bigger force wins and in the end can you really do much except yap about how much you hate the outcome. and again no rights just power, thats how it is luv

So, the bigger force wins? And currently the biggest force in this debate is laws, and the laws are on our side....we win.

Now, back on subject.

wrongo again. a human can kill even if laws stand against it. the law is a wall of force with many cracks that can be easily over turned. its actually more like a reaction force as many murders are not stopped but the murders are given force to atone according to the law. besides law can be changed, what then if it favored me would you just say in these discussion "drakmore wins."? I doubt it...

[linaloki]

Drakmore the malice child

Cherry Cheri

Drakmore the malice child

RubberDuckOfHell

Drakmore the malice child

go for it after all it all comes down to which force is bigger...

Right, so if you were tied down and raped, you wouldn't be able to go to court. It's completely ok. The fact that someone ******** you against your will means jack s**t since they have right to make you their sex slave.

pay the ******** attention... i said use anything you want to fight it, law or otherwise and i never said exclude law. all i am saying is it doesn't really matter if you like it or not, the bigger force wins and in the end can you really do much except yap about how much you hate the outcome. and again no rights just power, thats how it is luv

So, the bigger force wins? And currently the biggest force in this debate is laws, and the laws are on our side....we win.

Now, back on subject.

wrongo again. a human can kill even if laws stand against it. the law is a wall of force with many cracks that can be easily over turned. its actually more like a reaction force as many murders are not stopped but the murders are given force to atone according to the law. besides law can be changed, what then if it favored me would you just say in these discussion "drakmore wins."? I doubt it...

How about this?

Death wins.

Now, can we return to a debate that assumes science is correct on theories of human anatomy?

[Pretend Gheppetto]

linaloki

Drakmore the malice child

Cherry Cheri

Drakmore the malice child

RubberDuckOfHell

Drakmore the malice child

go for it after all it all comes down to which force is bigger...

Right, so if you were tied down and raped, you wouldn't be able to go to court. It's completely ok. The fact that someone ******** you against your will means jack s**t since they have right to make you their sex slave.

pay the ******** attention... i said use anything you want to fight it, law or otherwise and i never said exclude law. all i am saying is it doesn't really matter if you like it or not, the bigger force wins and in the end can you really do much except yap about how much you hate the outcome. and again no rights just power, thats how it is luv

So, the bigger force wins? And currently the biggest force in this debate is laws, and the laws are on our side....we win.

Now, back on subject.

wrongo again. a human can kill even if laws stand against it. the law is a wall of force with many cracks that can be easily over turned. its actually more like a reaction force as many murders are not stopped but the murders are given force to atone according to the law. besides law can be changed, what then if it favored me would you just say in these discussion "drakmore wins."? I doubt it...

How about this?

Death wins.

Now, can we return to a debate that assumes science is correct on theories of human anatomy?

ah not so fast my friend a rock never dies but if you really want to go back to a bunch of people agreeing abortion is fine then go ahead, and then if you want to have the pro life pro choice fight on again do that too.