The Abortion Debate

[linaloki]

Barely_evil

There is a huge pot hole in your comparison of pregnancy to rape. There is nothing that causes rape. No known causes.

However, there is something that causes pregnancy. It's called intercourse. I hope I'm not telling you kids things you already don't know. If you don't have intercourse, you don't have kids, (or have a fetus that comes at an "inconvenient" time that gets aborted)

And what about rape victims that become pregnant?

And there are several known causes to rape. Instability of the rapist's mental condition is one. And there are even ways to try and prevent rape, like rape condoms! Suits of armor! Guns! Mace! Tazers! And yet rape can still happen. Just like, even if you're on the pill, pregnancy can still happen.

Again, I ask... what makes sex a special case where you're not allowed to attempt to fix the unwanted effect?

[CGurp]

Barely_evil

FH_zero

Barely_evil

Do we give the mother the legal right to kill the two-year- old daughter who is a burden to her? Why and how can we give her the legal right to kill the two-month-old daughter living inside her who is a burden to her?

Think of the logic of the inevitable extension of such a freedom to kill. We could solve poverty by killing unwanted poor people, or religious or political groups, or those too old, too burdensome, and on and on . . .

Women have the duty not to kill their unborn babies.

Murder (by abortion or any other name) should be illegal in a moral society.

It's not murder to kill off tumors or annoying insects, right? They have just as much life in them as a fetus.

So says you, but are you the authority on tumors, flying insects, and fetuses? The baby every mother carries as she faces a life and death decision has a beating heart at 18 days after fertilization and brain waves as early as six weeks after fertilization. Most abortions are not performed until nine weeks of the pregnancy. Even RU 486 chemical abortions can't be done until after six weeks.

You cannot compare killing a 2 year old to a fetus. The 2 year old isn't physically dependent on the woman, isn't violating the woman's body, and the 2 year old is a thinking person. You are using seriously false analogies. Women don't have to have any duties unless they want it. Murder is illegal because it is defined as illegal killing of persons and abortion can never be murder. Morality is subjective and everyone has them, they're just different from yours. How can this be a "moral society" when people are still discriminating against minority groups such as homosexuals, Atheists, Mexicans, etc.

When they're violating our body. Stop using baby; the term is not scientific, medical, nor legal and the term is emotionally charged to sway emotions and false ideas of equaling a 2 mounth old person and a fetus. I'd like some non-biased medical and statistic proof on those claims.

[Heart of the Fallen Angel]

Barely_evil

There is a huge pot hole in your comparison of pregnancy to rape. There is nothing that causes rape. No known causes.

However, there is something that causes pregnancy. It's called intercourse. I hope I'm not telling you kids things you already don't know. If you don't have intercourse, you don't have kids, (or have a fetus that comes at an "inconvenient" time that gets aborted)

Actually, there is a very well known cause of rape, at least for women. It's called unwanted p***s being inserted into a v****a where it is not wanted.

[Advice From Stalin]

Barely_evil

There is a huge pot hole in your comparison of pregnancy to rape. There is nothing that causes rape. No known causes.

However, there is something that causes pregnancy. It's called intercourse. I hope I'm not telling you kids things you already don't know. If you don't have intercourse, you don't have kids, (or have a fetus that comes at an "inconvenient" time that gets aborted)

If the only difference is the lack of cause, then the argument still stands. After all, there can be several different causes of murder, but they are all still murder.

[Veolin]

Heart of the Fallen Angel

Barely_evil

There is a huge pot hole in your comparison of pregnancy to rape. There is nothing that causes rape. No known causes.

However, there is something that causes pregnancy. It's called intercourse. I hope I'm not telling you kids things you already don't know. If you don't have intercourse, you don't have kids, (or have a fetus that comes at an "inconvenient" time that gets aborted)

Actually, there is a very well known cause of rape, at least for women. It's called unwanted p***s being inserted into a v****a where it is not wanted.

rofl That responce was awsome. <3

[linaloki]

Heart of the Fallen Angel

Barely_evil

There is a huge pot hole in your comparison of pregnancy to rape. There is nothing that causes rape. No known causes.

However, there is something that causes pregnancy. It's called intercourse. I hope I'm not telling you kids things you already don't know. If you don't have intercourse, you don't have kids, (or have a fetus that comes at an "inconvenient" time that gets aborted)

Actually, there is a very well known cause of rape, at least for women. It's called unwanted p***s being inserted into a v****a where it is not wanted.

I thought of that, and then I was like, "Is that a cause? Or a definition?"

Either way, it's quite true.

[CGurp]

Barely_evil

There is a huge pot hole in your comparison of pregnancy to rape. There is nothing that causes rape. No known causes.

However, there is something that causes pregnancy. It's called intercourse. I hope I'm not telling you kids things you already don't know. If you don't have intercourse, you don't have kids, (or have a fetus that comes at an "inconvenient" time that gets aborted)

It doesn't matter what the cause is. BTW rape is obviously caused by a person who sexually violates another person. This is a no duh.

Intercourse doesn't cause pregnancy, fertilization of an egg inside a uterus causes it. Otherwise, there would be no sperm banks for those that can't find a male partner at the time or are lesbian.

[Raina Luxe]

Seeing the Kraken

Barely_evil

Heart of the Fallen Angel

Barely_evil

Do we give the mother the legal right to kill the two-year- old daughter who is a burden to her? Why and how can we give her the legal right to kill the two-month-old daughter living inside her who is a burden to her?

The two month old fetus is in direct violation of her body, using it against her wishes. When a man does this to a woman we call it rape, and she is allowed to kill him to stop this violation. The 2-year-old born daughter is not actively using your body and draining it of nutrients. Nice try, but your idiocy and failure to understand simple concepts is showing again

The fetus would yes be using it's mother's body, mostly by choice, or poor decisions as I'm sure you would agree, especially if the mother does not wish for a pregnancy. What choice does the fetus have?

The 2 year old can also drain you of nutrients eating from what you provide.

I highly doubt you would obtain an abortion for the simple fact of the fetus obtaining your nutrients. I'm sure you have plenty of nutrients to go around.

Barely_evil

Think of the logic of the inevitable extension of such a freedom to kill. We could solve poverty by killing unwanted poor people, or religious or political groups, or those too old, too burdensome, and on and on . . .

Except that these groups are not violating my right to not allow free use of my body without my expressed, and ongoing consent. You again fail.

I highly recommend you have a hysterectomy if you don't want your body used against your consent.

When you can consent to sex and not consent to it's reaction (sex=baby), I think there is something very wrong with you.

There's something wrong with me because I consent to driving a car and don't consent to getting in a car crash?!?!?!?

Ah, but you know it's a possibility, especially if you are under the influence, talking on your cell phone, not paying attention, driving long distances.

And these examples can be compared to not using a condom, having sex under the influence, not taking or being on birth control.

Most car accidents are not usually fatal.

Whether to have an abortion or not, is literally a life or death decision.

[CGurp]

Barely_evil

Ah, but you know it's a possibility, especially if you are under the influence, talking on your cell phone, not paying attention, driving long distances.

And these examples can be compared to not using a condom, having sex under the influence, not taking or being on birth control.

Most car accidents are not usually fatal.

Whether to have an abortion or not, is literally a life or death decision.

There are risks to everything and just because you take them doesn't mean you have to suffer for them.
What if you do use many forms of birth control and get pregnant?
That may be, but what of it?
So is hunting for food

[Lady Miyo]

Barely_evil

Whether to have an abortion or not, is literally a life or death decision.

So is eating a hamburger. Point?

[Veolin]

Barely_evil

1-Ah, but you know it's a possibility, especially if you are under the influence, talking on your cell phone, not paying attention, driving long distances.

2-And these examples can be compared to not using a condom, having sex under the influence, not taking or being on birth control.

3-Most car accidents are not usually fatal.

4-Whether to have an abortion or not, is literally a life or death decision.

1-So by taking the risk of being in a car crash should we start denying people medical attention to rectify it?

2-What about women who do? Besides, thats like comparing it to a car crash victom who didnt wear their seat belt. (Granted I dont agree with abortion as a birth controll method but if you want to make the comparison then there you go)

3-Not usually but they can be. Just as in cases such as ectopic pregnency, death is a possibility.

4- A lot of things are life and death situations. We just usually over look seeing them as such. "That person wouldnt have died if they hadnt decided to pull out in trafic right then and get hit by that other car" And in some cases it's the mothers life on the line. Should she sacrifice her life and not get an abortion and the fetus die anyways?

[Reinna Astarel]

Barely_evil

Ah, but you know it's a possibility, especially if you are under the influence, talking on your cell phone, not paying attention, driving long distances.

And these examples can be compared to not using a condom, having sex under the influence, not taking or being on birth control.

Most car accidents are not usually fatal.

Whether to have an abortion or not, is literally a life or death decision.

Sure, one knows that there is the possibility of death when you drive while talking on the cell phone, are drunk, not paying attention, etc.

So tell me- who's going to deny me medical attention because the cause of the accident was "my" fault? Is anyone going to tell a person bleeding on the road that "You should have been paying attention (using a condom) or not drinking (using BC), and since you didn't you should face the consequences of your own decision, and die from blood loss (pregnancy.)

Yup, abortion is quite a life or death decision. So was my decision to eat a salad last night.

zomg it should be restricted!

[CGurp]

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I highly recommend you have a hysterectomy if you don't want your body used against your consent.

When you can consent to sex and not consent to it's reaction (sex=baby), I think there is something very wrong with you.

Why? A hysterectomy is for Certain types of reproductive system cancers (uterine, cervical, ovarian);
As a prophylactic treatment for those with either a strong family history of reproductive system cancers (especially breast cancer in conjunction with BRCA1 or BRCA2 mutation) or as part of their recovery from such cancers;
Severe and intractible endometriosis (overgrowth of the uterine lining) and/or adenomyosis (a more severe form of endometriosis, where the uterine lining has grown into and sometimes through the uterine wall) after pharmaceutical and other non-surgical options have been exhausted;
Postpartum to remove either a severe case of placenta praevia (a placenta that has either formed over or inside the birth canal) or placenta accreta (a placenta that has grown into and through the wall of the uterus to attach itself to other organs), as well as a last resort in case of excessive postpartum bleeding;
Female to male transsexuals, a.k.a. "transmen", as part of their gender transition. Hysterectomies has risks and side effects and isn't a good method to use for only sterilization.

I would gladly have myself sterilized with getting my tubes tied, but most doctors don't give you give you one unless:
1. You're over 40 years old
2. You already have existing children
3. You're married

Anyone with that kind of logic in mind has something extreamly wrong with them.

[FlexibleCottonSwabs]

miyo_esparanza

Barely_evil

Whether to have an abortion or not, is literally a life or death decision.

So is eating a hamburger. Point?

And pregnancy sometimes.
=D

[Lady Miyo]

soul_less_human

miyo_esparanza

Barely_evil

Whether to have an abortion or not, is literally a life or death decision.

So is eating a hamburger. Point?

And pregnancy sometimes.
=D

That too!