The Abortion Debate

[ScarletKisses]

ThePeerOrlando

ScarletKisses

[I am teh Haruka]

ScarletKisses

Have you ever seen Lorenzo's oil? They found a cure. Where is the faith in your child and research?

They didn't even know the Lorenzo had a disease when he was a fetus.

Many diseases can be found while the fetus is still a fetus.

No one denies this, but remember there is a risk for amniocentesis.
He was given the chance to live nonetheless and survived. Research is powerful and the search for the cure can help anyone.

Yes, let's base all major decisions upon movie physics and logic. In that case, since I'm asian, I can FLY! What, you've never seen a martial arts movie made by John Woo or something?

Do good research first. The movie was based on a true story. Now if you believe you can fly, go jump off the Eiffel Tower and come back to tell me how that went.

[TPauSilver]

ScarletKisses

[I am teh Haruka]

ScarletKisses

Have you ever seen Lorenzo's oil? They found a cure. Where is the faith in your child and research?

They didn't even know the Lorenzo had a disease when he was a fetus.

Many diseases can be found while the fetus is still a fetus.

No one denies this, but remember there is a risk for amniocentesis.
He was given the chance to live nonetheless and survived. Research is powerful and the search for the cure can help anyone.

Yes, there's a risk to amniocentesis, less then 0.5% risk of miscarriage. We're not suggecsting every woman run out and get one, we're suggesting women at risk (ie old women or those who've had children with genetic defects before or in who's family it runs) might want to use it to diagnose the child before birth so that if they do not wish to have a severely ill child, this can be avoided.

A chance at life isn't much good if you can't live it. What's the good of being alive if you spend most of your life in a hospital bed?

[CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]]

ScarletKisses

You don't personally know me, so I would prefer you not insult me. I am simply posting my opinion which has a right to be respected just like I am respecting yours. If you know how to hold out a debate to do it right.

I never mentioned there being a cure for any of those diseases. I said they HELP them out. Punishing? She can give the baby up for adoption.

And what about that nine months of hell the woman will have to go through? (AGAINST her will)

ScarletKisses

And you know what!? I am not punishing the child. You are punishing the child before even giving it a chance to be born.

It's not punishing because the fetus can't feel.

ScarletKisses

What if you used amniocentesis, killed the baby, and then discovered it was healthy? Sad isn't it?

What if it wasn't healthy?

You can always try again to have a baby.

ScarletKisses

I would rather have my baby and love it even if it had a disease.

Okay, you can do that. But that doesn't mean that anyone else has to.

I'd rather abort it instead of making it physically feel pain when it can actually feel.

ScarletKisses

You love them no matter what and you are there with them to bare through this disease. And you look for a cure or something to help them live a good life at least.

Yes! And stress every minute of your life and hope they don't die.

ScarletKisses

You don't kill them before they are born. And it is not called pro-punishment, it's called pro-life. You, my dear, are pro-death.

Stop with the insults.

EDIT: I know that Lorenzo's Oil is based off of true events. But seriously.

Things like that don't happen often.

And if a woman aborts, it doesn't affect you.

[ThePeerOrlando]

ScarletKisses

ThePeerOrlando

ScarletKisses

[I am teh Haruka]

ScarletKisses

Have you ever seen Lorenzo's oil? They found a cure. Where is the faith in your child and research?

They didn't even know the Lorenzo had a disease when he was a fetus.

Many diseases can be found while the fetus is still a fetus.

No one denies this, but remember there is a risk for amniocentesis.
He was given the chance to live nonetheless and survived. Research is powerful and the search for the cure can help anyone.

Yes, let's base all major decisions upon movie physics and logic. In that case, since I'm asian, I can FLY! What, you've never seen a martial arts movie made by John Woo or something?

Do good research first. The movie was based on a true story. Now if you believe you can fly, go jump off the Eiffel Tower and come back to tell me how that went.

Please provide proof that the movie is 100% consistent with what actually happened and not simply labeled as such for box office boosting. Pearl Harbor was "based on a true story" but it was still historically inaccurate. Titanic was "based on a true story" but again, it was still inaccurate. They don't keep things 100% tailored to what happened because they aren't concerned with history or accuracy, they're concerned with making money.

And should I have labeled my previous post with sarcasm tags? Because it seems to have gone over your head.

[biki22]

Abortion is such a controversal subject.. it's hard for me to discuss it. I'm undecided if it should be allowed generally, but I would never get one for myself.

[RaveKitten13]

ScarletKisses

Vivnox

ScarletKisses

It's amazing how they have so much research going on to help people with these diseases. And yet they still manage to help all of these cases without killing them before they are even born.

Did you even go and look at the information or are you talking out of your a**? You know why Tay Sach's isn't as high as it used to be. Because the parents are TESTED. There's no cure for it. Hell, they don't have a cure for any of those things.

Damn, not only do you want to punish the mother for having sex you want to punish her child too. You're worse than most of the pro-punishers who come in here.

You don't personally know me, so I would prefer you not insult me. I am simply posting my opinion which has a right to be respected just like I am respecting yours. If you know how to hold out a debate to do it right.

I never mentioned there being a cure for any of those diseases. I said they HELP them out. Punishing? She can give the baby up for adoption. And you know what!? I am not punishing the child. You are punishing the child before even giving it a chance to be born. What if you used amniocentesis, killed the baby, and then discovered it was healthy? Sad isn't it? I would rather have my baby and love it even if it had a disease. You love them no matter what and you are there with them to bare through this disease. And you look for a cure or something to help them live a good life at least. You don't kill them before they are born. And it is not called pro-punishment, it's called pro-life. You, my dear, are pro-death.

Yeah and your opinion is one of pro-punishment. You want a woman to have to go through a pregnancy because she ******** up by ******** (that was fun to type). And then you go and say just because there's a .00000000001% chance that a cure might be found for someone who has a disease that will kill them in their second month of life while they are alive they should have to be born and suffer. They CAN'T do anything yet for the diseases that I mentioned. I didn't even go into something like AIDS. Are you pretending to be dense or is that your normal stage? The only people you aren't punishing would be the adoptive parents. Well that's if they know the child has that condition, otherwise you are punishing them as well.

THERE IS NO CURE FOR THOSE THINGS! Why should I have to let a child suffer just in the small off chance a cure is found. That's you're pro-punishment towards the kid.

I'm not pro-death. Personally I would only abort if my life or the child's life was in danger. Plus I don't think every child (even the ones with those conditions) should be aborted.

I still think you're pro-punishment. And worse than any of the other pro-punishment people I've ever seen.

Why don't you address my questions?

[SunflowerGoddess]

!i!Kitty JoJo!i!

?Abortion is wrong. Sure, if you get raped, you don't want the baby, but is your own satisfaction worth basically killing non-born life?

Oh, so this is about punishing women who consent to sex...

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And if you had sex but didn't want a baby, then you get a baby,

No babies are invovled in abortion.

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it's your own fault. You knew there was a chance to get pregnant, and you took the chance.

So because I had sex, which I consider an essential part of a healthy adult relationship, I must put all my mental and physical health at risk with the high possibility of dying, despite the fact that I am childfree? How "pro-life" of you .

When I agree to have sex, I agree that I can get pregnant. I do not agree to remaining pregnant.

Do you even know why people have sex? Do you know what "orgasms" are? Ever had one? Ever made love to someone, or had fantastic mind-blowing sex?

Care to show me how abortion isn't a way of dealing with the pregnancy?

Pregnancy and parenting should not be consequences. The should be choices. Do you seriously think that forcing a woman to remain pregnant will turn her into a responsible human being?
Besides... most pro-lifers argue that "children are gifts". The last I checked, a "consequence" is not a "gift".
By turning pregnancy into a "consequence" of having sex, you are implying that women should not have the right to enjoy sex unless they are having babies. You're also lowering the value of those precious fetii you want to save. Wouldn't it be wonderful to know that you are nothing more than a means of punishing a woman for enjoying sex?
I'm childfree and I do not want to contibute to the population, yet I believe sex to be an important part of a healthy relationship. Therefore, I am going to have sex, and, if my protection fails and I get pregnant, I'll be turning to abortion.

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In any matter, it is WRONG!!!

I wouldn't say so, since, by my morals, abortion is not wrong, and forcing a woman through a pregancy just for having agreed to and enjoyed sex is far more morally despicable.

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You're killing a baby

No babies are involved in abortion.

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that has a chance at life

It had its chance.

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and wants to be born,

And you know this... how?

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and you take that chance away from them. It's like getting a chance at something you REALLY wanted and someone taking it away.

I must have missed the rule that said life always had to be "fair".

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Also, what if your mom had abortion when you were being born?

Um.... that sounds a little too late to be having an abortion. Abortion is only legal in the first trimester, except in cases of medical emergancy.

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You wouldn't even be READING this if that happened.

I believe in reincarnation, so that arguement is bullshit to me from the very core.

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If you still think abortion is right, then you try it and feel guilt.

"Guilt"? Most women who have abortions feel relief. I'd feel relief, too, since I am childfree, I am not phyiscally/mentally able to survive pregnancy, and I'd probably die or be severely injured when giving birth.

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My mom had abortion and DEEPLY regrets it.

Too bad for her. Fortunately, most other women do not feel the same way. There are women on http://www.imnotsorry.net who feel differently, for example.

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Do you want the same feeling?(((SUPPORT DRAKE BELL WITH HEARTS!!!)))?

I'm sorry... what the ******** is this last part saying?

[TPauSilver]

ScarletKisses

Do good research first. The movie was based on a true story. Now if you believe you can fly, go jump off the Eiffel Tower and come back to tell me how that went.

Based on. Not "a completely accurate retelling of". I haven't seen the movie but at least I'm familiar with the concept of artistic license...either way, everything on TV is a representation. it only shows you one side of something. This is the nature of TV (I learned something in media studies).

[ScarletKisses]

[I am teh Haruka]

They shouldn't have to remain pregnant if they don't want to just because some people are touchy with abortion.

I agree with this statement because no one has to remain pregnant if they don't want to. I can say whatever I want and place my opinions a million times, but I am never actually going to go and stop anyone from having an abortion. It is their choice. When I decide to have my child all I can do is pray that it will be healthy. [I am sorry for placing my religious beliefs here] I will have my babies nonetheless and be by their side to bare with them. The only reason I am here is to try and maybe yank at anyone's conscience a little bit. Maybe you will feel a little sympathy for your unborn baby.

[CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]]

ScarletKisses

[I am teh Haruka]

They shouldn't have to remain pregnant if they don't want to just because some people are touchy with abortion.

I agree with this statement because no one has to remain pregnant if they don't want to. I can say whatever I want and place my opinions a million times, but I am never actually going to go and stop anyone from having an abortion. It is their choice. When I decide to have my child all I can do is pray that it will be healthy. [I am sorry for placing my religious beliefs here] I will have my babies nonetheless and be by their side to bare with them. The only reason I am here is to try and maybe yank at anyone's conscience a little bit. Maybe you will feel a little sympathy for your unborn baby.

I don't have a fetus inside of me.

And this isn't going to make me pro-life.

[ScarletKisses]

TPauSilver

ScarletKisses

Do good research first. The movie was based on a true story. Now if you believe you can fly, go jump off the Eiffel Tower and come back to tell me how that went.

Based on. Not "a completely accurate retelling of". I haven't seen the movie but at least I'm familiar with the concept of artistic license...either way, everything on TV is a representation. it only shows you one side of something. This is the nature of TV (I learned something in media studies).

No it is not a complete retelling of or else we'd be living everything day by day, but the general and true idea is there.

[RaveKitten13]

ScarletKisses

[I am teh Haruka]

They shouldn't have to remain pregnant if they don't want to just because some people are touchy with abortion.

I agree with this statement because no one has to remain pregnant if they don't want to. I can say whatever I want and place my opinions a million times, but I am never actually going to go and stop anyone from having an abortion. It is their choice. When I decide to have my child all I can do is pray that it will be healthy. [I am sorry for placing my religious beliefs here] I will have my babies nonetheless and be by their side to bare with them. The only reason I am here is to try and maybe yank at anyone's conscience a little bit. Maybe you will feel a little sympathy for your unborn baby.

Oh so you're going to try and GUILT us against having an abortion. That honestly in my opinion makes you no better than those trying to outlaw it.

[Bishop_Aldweiss]

ScarletKisses

You don't personally know me, so I would prefer you not insult me.

We know enough about you, from your overly-flawed logic and inability to debate, ton judge you. Deal with it, or leave.

ScarletKisses

I am simply posting my opinion which has a right to be respected just like I am respecting yours.

No, it doesn't. Unless you have facts to back up your "opinion", it's nothing more than bullshit. Deal with it, or leave.

ScarletKisses

If you know how to hold out a debate to do it right.

Doesn't really mean much, coming from you.

ScarletKisses

I never mentioned there being a cure for any of those diseases. I said they HELP them out.

Tell us, then. HOW do they help them? How do they ease the suffering?

ScarletKisses

Punishing? She can give the baby up for adoption.

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Ah, so that it can, more than likely, spend the next 18 years of it's life shuttled from foster home to foster home, because no one wants it. I see where your morality lies.

ScarletKisses

And you know what!?

If you can't debate without screaming, leave.

ScarletKisses

I am not punishing the child.

...My, you ARE an idiot, aren't you? It isn't ABOUT puishing the FETUS, not CHILD. It's ABOUT punishing the MOTHER. Maybe, with all the caps, you'll finally figure it out.

ScarletKisses

You are punishing the child before even giving it a chance to be born.

********. Cry me a river.

ScarletKisses

What if you used amniocentesis, killed the baby, and then discovered it was healthy?

Go to science class, and learn some medical terms.

ScarletKisses

Sad isn't it?

Not really.

ScarletKisses

I would rather have my baby and love it even if it had a disease.

Good for you.

But, your opinion does NOT cover over 6 billion people.

ScarletKisses

You love them no matter what and you are there with them to bare through this disease.

If it were my child, I'd rather not FORCE them to live through that kind of pain. It's better they didn't have to live and spent eternity in oblivion, then have to suffer like that.

ScarletKisses

And you look for a cure or something to help them live a good life at least.

Not everything can be cured. And, even the things that CAN be, if we don't HAVE the cure, doesn't really mean jack s**t.

ScarletKisses

You don't kill them before they are born.

Already adressed this.

ScarletKisses

And it is not called pro-punishment, it's called pro-life.

No. You ARE pro-punishment. If you knew what it actually MEANT, you'd see that.

ScarletKisses

You, my dear, are pro-death.

SHE is pro-choice. SHE is intelligent, and can back up her belief.

YOU on the other hand...

[ScarletKisses]

Vivnox

ScarletKisses

[I am teh Haruka]

They shouldn't have to remain pregnant if they don't want to just because some people are touchy with abortion.

I agree with this statement because no one has to remain pregnant if they don't want to. I can say whatever I want and place my opinions a million times, but I am never actually going to go and stop anyone from having an abortion. It is their choice. When I decide to have my child all I can do is pray that it will be healthy. [I am sorry for placing my religious beliefs here] I will have my babies nonetheless and be by their side to bare with them. The only reason I am here is to try and maybe yank at anyone's conscience a little bit. Maybe you will feel a little sympathy for your unborn baby.

Oh so you're going to try and GUILT us against having an abortion. That honestly in my opinion makes you no better than those trying to outlaw it.

Your very judgmental you know that and I honestly don't care if you think I'm better or worse than anyone else. You seem like a very close minded person. At least others know how to hold out a fair debate.

[Bishop_Aldweiss]

ScarletKisses

Vivnox

ScarletKisses

[I am teh Haruka]

They shouldn't have to remain pregnant if they don't want to just because some people are touchy with abortion.

I agree with this statement because no one has to remain pregnant if they don't want to. I can say whatever I want and place my opinions a million times, but I am never actually going to go and stop anyone from having an abortion. It is their choice. When I decide to have my child all I can do is pray that it will be healthy. [I am sorry for placing my religious beliefs here] I will have my babies nonetheless and be by their side to bare with them. The only reason I am here is to try and maybe yank at anyone's conscience a little bit. Maybe you will feel a little sympathy for your unborn baby.

Oh so you're going to try and GUILT us against having an abortion. That honestly in my opinion makes you no better than those trying to outlaw it.

Your very judgmental you know that and I honestly don't care if you think I'm better or worse than anyone else. You seem like a very close minded person. At least others know how to hold out a fair debate.

Oh, and YOU aren't?

Hypocrite.