The Abortion Debate

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Crystallyne Vixen

OK. That last part was a little uncalled for. A hymen can be broken by a tampon or certain strenuous activity and exercise. Sex doesn't always break it. And let's keep it mature here. You have no idea what size p***s Neth was with.

Ok, I'm sorry about the last part, I was just trying to make a point.

[Nethilia]

Crystallyne Vixen

Nethilia

theRETARDEDmarshmallow

theRETARDEDmarshmallow

Which do pro-lifers care about more?

A fetus that's aborted?
Or a 2 year old that got killed by her own mother?

Personally, I mourn for the 2 year old. Not a fetus who cannot think or feel.

Don't quote because we haven't replied in half a second. ED moves slowly. We go back and check.

I have been mourning for the 18 month old in my signature since I heard her terrible story.

That's expected fo you Neth. You're pro-choice, you care about things other than fetii.

I am also pro-life (and not in the way that the abortion debate defines it), but I don't let my belief as life as a sacred thing get in the way of my respecting choices that I have made and others may make. I also care for life after it's past the vulva, which I don't see a lot of in anti-choicers.

[KraZGurl]

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Moniquill

Um, you do know that the whole 'hymen breaking' thing is pretty much optional, right? I so didn't bleed my first time. Like, at all. Because there was adequate forplay and lube involved.

Guess What... It's Not Optional. You are born with a hymen, and sooner or later it will break and you will bleed. because you didn't feel it doesn't mean it didn't break, and because you didn't see blood doesn't mean there wasn't any. Plus there is also the possibility that it had broken earlier in your life before you had sex. The breaking of the Hymen is NOT an option. Ask any doctor.

P.S. An inch d**k won't break the hymen.

1. Not everyone is born with a hymen. My cousin didn't have one.

2. Not everyone bleeds when their hymen is broken. I didn't bleed, and I felt it break.

3. If you are cautious enough during sex, breaking the hymen can be an option. Plus, sex does not always break it. Tampons and pap smears may break it, too.

P.S. Insults get you nowhere in a debate an make people lose respect for you.

[Katsuya Ishtar]

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Crystallyne Vixen

OK. That last part was a little uncalled for. A hymen can be broken by a tampon or certain strenuous activity and exercise. Sex doesn't always break it. And let's keep it mature here. You have no idea what size p***s Neth was with.

Ok, I'm sorry about the last part, I was just trying to make a point.

How was this point trying to be made with an insult toward somebody who isn't even involved in the debate?

[paper_phoenix]

North Star

You're right, all you pro-choice people.

Let's just have chicks out there with they're legs wide open and decide they don't want the baby, (seeing as they're irresponsible, immature and 'emo'), go to a local family doctor or Satanist and abort life.

THAT... my dear friends, is smart.

#1. Not all women who abort are teenagers. In fact, the largest percentage of women who abort are in their thirties, and are married with children already.

#2. Who are you to pass judgement on others? Simply because they make a choice based on a different set of morals than you makes them 'immature' and 'emo'? Nice.

#3. Responsibility is not defined as cutting one's nose off to spite their face just because you think it's the more morally sound option. It is choosing the best resolution for the situation at hand.

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Where is the rationalism?
Where is the brains?
Where is the care?

The same could be said of people who want to strip women of their rights to bodily integrity.

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Abortion should be given to girls under extreme circumstances;

- Rape.

And can you tell me what the difference between a fetus conceived by rape and a fetus conceived by consentual sex is? Is one more genetically perfect than the other? Is one more deserving of abortion than the other? I'm just looking for a little consistency, is all.

And what about women who would die as a result of trying to carry a fetus to term? Should they die, simply because they conceived by consentual sex? Keep in mind that the chances are extremely good that the fetus will die with the woman, so no lives will be saved by her not aborting.

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If you don't want a baby, don't be out there with unprotected sex and with your legs wide-open. talk2hand

Protected sex fails as well. The pill's effectivity is lessened by medications. Condoms leak and tear. Not all unwanted pregnancies are the result of unprotected sex.

Why do you want to punish women for having a sex drive and acting upon it?

[Nethilia]

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Crystallyne Vixen

OK. That last part was a little uncalled for. A hymen can be broken by a tampon or certain strenuous activity and exercise. Sex doesn't always break it. And let's keep it mature here. You have no idea what size p***s Neth was with.

Ok, I'm sorry about the last part, I was just trying to make a point.

How is mocking the p***s size of someone' manperson making any point other than one that you're petty?

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Nethilia

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Crystallyne Vixen

OK. That last part was a little uncalled for. A hymen can be broken by a tampon or certain strenuous activity and exercise. Sex doesn't always break it. And let's keep it mature here. You have no idea what size p***s Neth was with.

Ok, I'm sorry about the last part, I was just trying to make a point.

How is mocking the p***s size of someone' manperson making any point other than one that you're petty?

1. It speaks loads for her credibility.
2. It proves that every female has a hymen and every female breaks it painfully.
3. Most importantly, it proves that abortion is wrong.

[Moniquill]

Benighted

Nethilia

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Crystallyne Vixen

OK. That last part was a little uncalled for. A hymen can be broken by a tampon or certain strenuous activity and exercise. Sex doesn't always break it. And let's keep it mature here. You have no idea what size p***s Neth was with.

Ok, I'm sorry about the last part, I was just trying to make a point.

How is mocking the p***s size of someone' manperson making any point other than one that you're petty?

1. It speaks loads for her credibility.
2. It proves that every female has a hymen and every female breaks it painfully.
3. Most importantly, it proves that abortion is wrong.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up.

[Pallas Parthenos]

Benighted

1. It speaks loads for her credibility.
2. It proves that every female has a hymen and every female breaks it painfully.
3. Most importantly, it proves that abortion is wrong.

Ha. Sharp as ever, Benighted.

I thought I might pop in for a bit, mainly for the show. I'm not so into debating abortion myself, but I will say I'm pro-choice... I find it slightly insulting to think I'm considered at the same life form level as a x 100 celled ball of zygote.

Also, using pregnancy as a PUNISHMENT for not "keeping their legs shut" as I saw miss dark-blue-font somewhere back do is just about as bad as throwing away potential life, if not more.

Lastly, if we need to save anything that has a chance of becoming human, consider me a monthly murderer.

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[Moniquill]

Jasmine Tea

Lastly, if we need to save anything that has a chance of becoming human, consider me a monthly murderer.

You know, we had an icon for that for a while. Female Murders Anonymous, muder through mensturation. Anyone still have that?

[pidgezero_one]

Moniquill

Jasmine Tea

Lastly, if we need to save anything that has a chance of becoming human, consider me a monthly murderer.

You know, we had an icon for that for a while. Female Murders Anonymous, muder through mensturation. Anyone still have that?

I always had the impression that it was a guild... don't ask me where I got that idea... ^^;

[Nonesuch Solo]

[rweghrheh]

Nonesuch Solo

Moniquill

melieche

VII. Facing The Consequences of Your Actions - The Punishment Mentality
Maybe you would view it as a punishment for a little bit, but then maybe you'd look forward to a child. But if you're young and still in school, gosh. I'm sorry. If you get an abortion you are weak.

In my view, it is more weak to bear a child that you neither want nor are able to care for simply because you can't face the thought of aborting it.

It is weak to do what you believe is the right thing?

Nethilia

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X. Adoption.
If you REALLY don't want it, pregnancy won't screw your life up forever. In a few months you're back to normal. If you adopt it out to a loving family it will have a better life.

It is not the job of the unwillingly pregnant to remain so because selfish, rick couples can buy the perfect baby they want and ignore older children in need of homes.

The more I hear from Choicers about how adoption is EVIL and we should abort as often as possible because there are currently too many needy children in the System that need homes, the more I wonder if I should feel GUILTY because I was a white baby and if I hadn't been born, some child who was a different color, or older or less healthy than I could have had my parents instead.

I should apologize for the SELFISH actions of my birthmother.

I am SO SORRY! One of you other kids could have had my parents!

My birthmother was SO SELFISH! to keep her genetic line going by not aborting me once she decided she wasn't going to keep me!

I'm getting damn tired of people arguing the morality of adoption, but I suppose it's a huge facet in the current debates on the topic of abortion.



...I'll continue through these recent pages at a later time.

Same here, people act that all those children wouldn't be happy or suffer, or never get adopted which is untrue cause I know pently unhealth non white kids that were adopted and they seem happy. Let them speak for themselfs like you did.

[rweghrheh]

Moniquill

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Treacherous Desire

There are some conditions in which childbirth would almost certainly mean the death of the patient.

Can you imagine a person who is lacking the clotting agent in their blood giving BIRTH? Hemoraging?

Pregnancy can be far more serious than an injury.

In todays society, due to our medical advances there are very few situations in which a person who becomes pregnent can say at that moment will be in a life threatening situation.

Also as for a person who's a hemopiliac, and their clotting agents do not work properly, they shouldn't be getting pregnent as is, because as soon as they have sex for the first time, their hymen would break and they would bleed to death before they had the chance to become pregnent.

Um, you do know that the whole 'hymen breaking' thing is pretty much optional, right? I so didn't bleed my first time. Like, at all. Because there was adequate forplay and lube involved.

It could brake before having sex, like tampons can brake it and sometimes something like riding a bike can brake it but I wouldn't call it optional. Can't always be helped.