Teaching of Evolution (your thoughts?)

Do you agree evolution should be taught?

yes	67.3%	[ 1018 ]
no	13.2%	[ 199 ]
I'm not sure.. but I want gold :3	19.5%	[ 295 ]
Total Votes:			[ 1512 ]

[Maower]

I think thats total BS! Wether your Christian or Babtist or w/e else is out there you should know the Darwin Theory.
Its widely believed and proven.
I mean wheres your proof of the stuff happening in the Bible.
Now before you go saying "oh shes just an atheist or agnostic" I'm not (if you are thats cool cuz i've got friends like that and I really don't care. Believe what you belive. If you believe in a magical monster thing that leaves money in your pants pockets who the hell am I to say your wrong?!) so back the ******** off.
I believe in God and Satan, Heaven and Hell so don't go lecturing me on that.
Anyway back to the point. You should learn this stuff.
Its evolution.
Not like you just poofed here on Earth magically!
Christian, Babtist, God people you shouldn't complain about learning the Darwin Theory.
I mean if "under God" gets to stay in the pledge and on money and all that stuff you should have to learn the Darwin Theory!
Your not going to die or go to Hell just from learning it!

[VoijaRisa]

[Lei. Xin. Feng]

Of course they should teach Evolution. It's proven fact, unlike Creationism.
The only thing that religion can argue with science on is the Big Bang Theory.
Beyond that, no. Religion and actual fact should be kept separate.

As an astronomer, I can tell you that trying to argue against the big bang is astoundingly stupid.

[Maower]

VoijaRisa

[Lei. Xin. Feng]

Of course they should teach Evolution. It's proven fact, unlike Creationism.
The only thing that religion can argue with science on is the Big Bang Theory.
Beyond that, no. Religion and actual fact should be kept separate.

As an astronomer, I can tell you that trying to argue against the big bang is astoundingly stupid.

Yea. What this guy said. Arguing against the Big Bang is like arguing that the sky isn't blue. (shut up color blind ppl)

[xchrysanthemum99]

wolfgirl_moon

VoijaRisa

As an astronomer, I can tell you that trying to argue against the big bang is astoundingly stupid.

Yea. What this guy said. Arguing against the Big Bang is like arguing that the sky isn't blue. (shut up color blind ppl)

Yes, it is. I'm not trying to argue against the Big Bang, so stop pointing that out to me. stare

And if the schools were required to teach Creationism and all that lovely stuff, and if people thought we came from Adam and Eve... then that'd make us all related to each other. Eck.

[VoijaRisa]

[Lei. Xin. Feng]

if people thought we came from Adam and Eve... then that'd make us all related to each other. Eck.

If evolution is right, then we're all still related. Just much more distantly.

[xchrysanthemum99]

VoijaRisa

[Lei. Xin. Feng]

if people thought we came from Adam and Eve... then that'd make us all related to each other. Eck.

If evolution is right, then we're all still related. Just much more distantly.

Yeah, you're right.
I still find it hard to believe that the teaching of Evolution is banned in some states. gonk

[Canabalistic Masturbation]

To say evolution is only a theory, is like saying the internet is useless. These days, we have mountains upon mountains of proof, and these days, we can speed up the evolution process. I can understand private schools wanting to teach whatever the hell they want but remember this saying
"The blind lead the blind"
Therefor, if someone does not accept evolution as a fact, they will teach others that it isn't.

[faolan]

VoijaRisa

[Lei. Xin. Feng]

if people thought we came from Adam and Eve... then that'd make us all related to each other. Eck.

If evolution is right, then we're all still related. Just much more distantly.

And we're also related to the things we eat. Also distantly, of course.

But hey -- we are. It's that whole "carbon-based life form" family tree thing.

[VoijaRisa]

[Lei. Xin. Feng]

I still find it hard to believe that the teaching of Evolution is banned in some states. gonk

It's not.

Every state realizes that outright banning evolution would guarantee that the high school diplomas from that state would be worthless and no college would accept those students.

Instead, what several states are trying to do is either include bull s**t like creationism or the trojan horse "Intelligent Design", OR they introduce "critical analysis" in which they try to discredit evolution with more pseudo-science and junk like trying to apply the second law of thermodynamics.

But again, it's not banned anywhere.

[Danzig 101]

Maybe thats why they have catholic schools and public schools

[compudemon]

yes it should be taught. it should follow the class on heliocentrism. the theory that the Earth revolves around the sun. I dont think creationism should be taught any more then teaching that telescopes are devil devices and Satan is trying to fool us into thinking the Earth is not the center of creation.

[faolan]

VoijaRisa

[Lei. Xin. Feng]

I still find it hard to believe that the teaching of Evolution is banned in some states. gonk

It's not.

Every state realizes that outright banning evolution would guarantee that the high school diplomas from that state would be worthless and no college would accept those students.

Instead, what several states are trying to do is either include bull s**t like creationism or the trojan horse "Intelligent Design", OR they introduce "critical analysis" in which they try to discredit evolution with more pseudo-science and junk like trying to apply the second law of thermodynamics.

But again, it's not banned anywhere.

... But apparently it was removed from the curriculum in Kansas in 1999... I'm not sure if the site I've got is outdated, though... at any rate, Tenessee's law prohibiting evolution being taught specifically (the basis of the Scopes Monkey Trial) was repealed in 1967.

And... let's see. Edwards v Aguillard, 1987. US Supreme Court overturned Louisiana's "Balanced Treatment Act" that said if a teacher wants to teach evolution they have to teach creation, too. The act was found to be "establishment of religion" and violated seperation of church and state.

So case law is rather clear on this point; religious mythology falls under the umbrella of religion (astounding, isn't it?) and is not science.

[xredranx]

eh evolution has a lot of evidence pointing to it being true, while the bible is merely a belief. I'm all for standing by what you believe in, but I shudder to think what would happen if teachers believed that they could fly =x

I think that a compromise of some sort should be reached. If people want their god, maybe they should think about how god is affecting evolution? evolution is survival of the fittest, death to the less adequate. well, god is said to decide when it's someone's turn to die, so there you go. god = evolution neutral

and if there's a problem with the beginning of life and all that, I mean not being adam and eve, then there's a logical compromise there too. the beginning of life was, not to offend but I'm a scientific person, started in the primordial waters of early earth in a mixture of sulfur, carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and several other elements. these chemicals stewed for thousands of years, resulting in absolutely nothing, until one day they just /decided/ that they would come together to form amino acids and eventually bacteria, which would evolve into life as we know it. "Miraculous" is the best word I can think of to descibe this happening.

[Min_Malstress]

There are already places for learning creationism. Churches. There are plenty of these buildings around the world, which are completely optional for people to go to if they want to learn that we floated down from the sky. This is why nobody can justify pumping it into the education system.

[Pretty Lettuce]

If your argument for teaching 'intelligent' design is 'offering choice', then you might as well offer up other theories of creation, like the Hindu belief, or the Scientology belief or the Flying Spaghetti monster!
You are not offering choice, you are offering Christianity and that's it.
Science is NOT a democratic process, you cannot offer 'choice' in science, it is either scientifically provable or it isn't. Evolution is proved by theory, studying that theory, proving that theory through investigation and conclusion.
Intelligent design is proved by faith and pseudo-science.

For further argument, I suggest these intriguing videos:

Penn and Teller's Bullshit!: Creationism:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8092395371217203993&q=penn+and+teller+creationism

Extracts from Mark Steel's Lectures on Darwin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr1zrUbdP3w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxqagCKWLO4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvDfWTtejo4