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Do you agree evolution should be taught?

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dfarnham
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nicelsea101
Ther is so much proof. You cant deny the fact that evolution is real and we will have to move forward. Evolution is the future. FACE IT!!!!!


I will not face it nor will i ever fac just because there is no proof doesnt mean that there is no god and why dont you just face it and admit that there is a GOD in this world and the next for god will live forever.


How does the fact that life evolves disprove God?
That's a really daft reason to ignore the world around you.


I'm distinctly reminded of the Old Church, condemning Galileo for his theory that the earth circled the sun when literal English translations in the Bible seemed to SUGGEST otherwise. Took all the way to Pope JP2 for the Church to apologize.

Well, the Catholic Church doesn't like to rush into things, you know?

And is it me, or do our two Creationist friends have no sense of humor whatsoever?


I think they're probably the same person.....

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dfarnham
linaloki
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ichogo67
nicelsea101
Ther is so much proof. You cant deny the fact that evolution is real and we will have to move forward. Evolution is the future. FACE IT!!!!!


I will not face it nor will i ever fac just because there is no proof doesnt mean that there is no god and why dont you just face it and admit that there is a GOD in this world and the next for god will live forever.


How does the fact that life evolves disprove God?
That's a really daft reason to ignore the world around you.


I'm distinctly reminded of the Old Church, condemning Galileo for his theory that the earth circled the sun when literal English translations in the Bible seemed to SUGGEST otherwise. Took all the way to Pope JP2 for the Church to apologize.

Well, the Catholic Church doesn't like to rush into things, you know?

And is it me, or do our two Creationist friends have no sense of humor whatsoever?


No sense of humor, no ability of comprehension, no knowledge of evolution, no understanding of the Bible, no intelligence...
dfarnham
linaloki
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ichogo67
nicelsea101
Ther is so much proof. You cant deny the fact that evolution is real and we will have to move forward. Evolution is the future. FACE IT!!!!!


I will not face it nor will i ever fac just because there is no proof doesnt mean that there is no god and why dont you just face it and admit that there is a GOD in this world and the next for god will live forever.


How does the fact that life evolves disprove God?
That's a really daft reason to ignore the world around you.


I'm distinctly reminded of the Old Church, condemning Galileo for his theory that the earth circled the sun when literal English translations in the Bible seemed to SUGGEST otherwise. Took all the way to Pope JP2 for the Church to apologize.

Well, the Catholic Church doesn't like to rush into things, you know?

And is it me, or do our two Creationist friends have no sense of humor whatsoever?

It's worse than that. I mean, you may not laught at them, but you can still understand and recognize analogies, no matter how heavy-handed their attempt at humor is. Hell, the more ridiculous and absurd they are, the easier it is to spot them.
If true, that is ridiculous. However it should be taught as not necessarily absolute fact as, in science, we must always search around for new possibilities for the result of life on Earth. Encourage children to think not learn.
~Taikun Nozomu~
IMO, it would be strange not to teach them. Besides, I've always been taught to reconcile science and spirituality. There's proof of evolution and of the millions of species that existed on our world everywhere, but even the path of this evolution is so intricated, and the history of Earth is so special that I think it's a miracle even grater than a 'sudden creation'. Anything a little different, and we wouldn't be here. But we are here. And yes, I believe all of this is thanks to God.
This makes the presumption that humans are somehow special and were meant to be here.

Arrogance does not make a good argument.

lily_maiden
First of all, as I have said a million times over and will say again, stop ******** saying "proving beyond all doubt" or even "proven" at all. If you were even at an AP bio level, you would realize that it is very bad to say proven because you don't prove anything.
I'm far past an AP high school class. I'm a senior at a university level, proficient enough that they allow me to teach the courses, and have conducted research. It is perfectly acceptable to say "proven beyond a reasonable doubt". That's precisely what "theory" means. As such, it's fine to equivocate the two.

lily_maiden
Get an AP bio textbook and read it - it cleary says to NEVER use the term prove because it is impossible to completely prove anything, even if evidence leans in that direction.
You're right that nothing is ever proven infinately. But it can be to a reasonable standard. But writing "proven beyond a reasonable doubt" it much longer than just "theory" which means the same thing. As such, textbooks use the latter. But in an effort to remind the ignorant here what "theory" means, many of us use the full extent of its definition.

lily_maiden
Secondly, it does no harm to teach creationism as an alternative and to merely bring to light its existence as an alternate idea.
Incorrect. Creationism is not an alternative in science. Pretending it is undermines the entirety of science because it gives the appearance that the scientific method, evidence, and all that fundamental stuff is optional. It's not. Thus, Creationism is extremely harmful.

lily_maiden
And no, it is not a completely agreed upon concept
In the scientific community, it is. There's less than .01% dissent. So virtually all of science agrees that evolution happened. It's outside the scientific community that there is this "controversy". But we dont' teach public sentiment in science classes. We teach science. Thus, what's important is what the scientific community agrees upon. This is evolution. Not Creationism.

lily_maiden
It is a theory - plain and simple. A THEORY. There is no consensus on its validity.
You're abusing the definition of theory again. Perhaps you should learn what it means before continuing.

lily_maiden
Whether you like it or not, creationism is actually more widely believed than evolution
Only in America. The rest of the world laughs at us.

lily_maiden
Also, research the issue a little and you will discover, there actually is some scientific data for it
I've researched it for 5 years now. The "scientific data" is either fabricated, or misconstrued. It does not hold up to even casual scruitny. Thus, your claim is hollow.

lily_maiden
Once you have learned all about both ideas, at a college level, and are not just spewing opinions supported by very little empirical knowledge and background, THEN come back and we'll talk. Until then, have fun being ignorant.
Again, my knowledge far exceeds your own. I'm about to get my degree in the scientific field and have been heavily involved in Creationism/evolution for 5 years now. You calling me ignorant is, well.... ignorant.

ichogo67
Who the heck would belive in evolution i mean serioulsy how the heck would a germ evolve into a human over millions of years and if we came from monkeys why wouldnt all the rest of the monkeys just stay monkeys it doent make sense so what do you have to sayabout that.
Evolution does not say we came from monkies. If you knew what it actually stated, the answer to the first half of your question would be obvious. As to why there are still monkies, that's about as intelligent as asking, "why, if Americans came from Europe, are there still French?"
I'm from the South, and while evolution wasn't actually banned from the schools there was a big uproar one year when some of the local church folk wanted all the Biology textbooks pulled and replaced with books which had disclaimers printed into them about evolution being "only a theory," and presenting creation as an equal alternate model. Of course, the school really didn't have enough of a budget to supply their teachers as it was- it seems that's always the way that it is- without prioritizing an overhaul of existing textbooks over the things which needed to be done for the basic safety and functioning of the lessons!

I was shocked and amazed- I thought that sort of thing only happened in really backwards, backwater towns where people didn't have access to a high level of education anyways... not in a college town, where most of the population was either college faculty, student, or family. But it just goes to show how unreasonable people can be when it comes to dearly held beliefs- the folks who were pushing creationism in the schools were being incredibly selfish, and they didn't even realize it. I was relieved to hear those thoughts echoed by my fellow classmates, however, and it turned into a brief but interesting discussion on the propriety of time and place. None of this came from the teacher, of course- he was not allowed to say anything to discredit creationism or its teaching in schools, but fortunately the students were able to say it for him.

I think that overall this sort of thing only reflects badly on Creationists, making them into the local laughingstocks. They can't support their beliefs with the same level of logic and scientific reasoning that other theories can, and when they try to pit themselves against other theories on that basis they make themselves look pitiful and ridiculous- who would want that? But they don't think these things through- they can't see beyond their own fanatical fervour.

Personally, I've never seen the conflict between creationism or evolution- I hold beliefs in both schools and they mesh very well together. I did when I was Christian, and I still do now that I am a Kemetic Reconstructionist. But I would never pit my religious beliefs against a scientific theory on scientific grounds precisely because of this: religious theory and scientific theory function on completely different modes of proof. Besides which, scientific studies tend to be so carefully regulated and held to observable, repeatable facts that if my religious beliefs blatently contradicted science I would find that more of a reason to review my interpretation of the religion rather than the other way around. Religious theory bases many of its deductions on what seems like it would be reasonable given the private, personal experience and/or acceptance that its other spiritual teachings are correct- even after that point, it is much more free to take poetic and symbolic license with its discoveries. It can never really be proven, and generally doesn't expect to do so- religious theory is the result of personal experience and revelation. Science, on the other hand, has its own (and very different) style of logic and deduction, and- except in quantum physics- is completely independent of personal experience.

And finally, in addition to all of this an insistance that creationism should be taught in schools as science is equivalent to saying that Christianity is scientifically proven and should therefore be forced on everyone (since it's generally the Christian model of creation which is put forward as the "alternate theory" wink . Teach science in schools, and religion in religious institutions- it's really quite simple, and very fair.
Ergyne
I dont think it should be taught because its a theory, and not facte
And so is gravity, and the germ theory of disease, and electro magnetism.....

scrappie13
I say that we should have a choce on weather we learn evolution or creationism.
you have a choice. What's not a choice is whether or not government can sponsor religion (ie, creationism).

ichogo67
yea [Gravity] is a theory that makes sense.
So does evolution. Too bad you dont' seem to understand it.

demon_inuyasha67
The teapot you are talking about is and i bet on god because i already no that he would win. read the bible and you might agree and see that the teapot is a fake.
I have read the bible. Several times in fact. Many different versions of it. What's your point?
ichogo67
linaloki
ichogo67
Who the heck would belive in evolution i mean serioulsy how the heck would a germ evolve into a human over millions of years and if we came from monkeys why wouldnt all the rest of the monkeys just stay monkeys it doent make sense so what do you have to sayabout that.


Oh shut up and read a book. On evolution, preferably.
Why dont you shut up and just admit that there i a higher being some where out there that can do anything and why dont you pick a book preferably the bible.


Picked it up, read it for a minute, couldn't tell if it was saying man or animal came first (it says one and then turns around and says the other,) gave it the benefit of the doubt and kept reading to give it a chance.

Some of it made sense but the stuff about the skywizard and supernatural things in general seemed like a bunch of nonsense that ruined the message to me.

ichogo67

I will agree that i have no proof that a god exist but that doesnt mean there isnt one and all the stuff about evolution and everything else is all in the book of genisis of the bible and if anyone here were to get one you would see that it is the first book in the bible so there is no way you could miss it.
Ok, so for what reason should I believe that one exists and why should I believe that your God is the 'true' god?

scrappie13
I say that we should have a choce on weather we learn evolution or creationism.
Just like how I say we should have a choice between learning chemistry or alchemy!
Oh wait, I don't say that- that would be dumb.

Ok, how bout this instead- we give students the choice between thinking the moon is made of rocks and the moon is made of cheese. Sure we've got rocks from it but you can't be sure that wasn't just faked.

Or how about the choice between whether or not they molest the other students during class (but no choice about being molested because that might conflict with what other people feel.)


Anyway, before you go yelling at me (unless you ignored or didn't read this,) take a minute to explain why those things are different.

Moving on-
demon_inuyasha67

You guys really want to go to hell dont you and the bible hasbeen revised that i will admit but the message is still as clear as ever there is a god and a man named jesus who lived thousands of years ago and was crusified cause he cliamed to be the king of the jews which he was then after that he rose after 3 days he died

Your ancestors saw a man walk out of a tomb and mine saw their dead turn into hungry ghosts who would try to eat and drink anything they could get only to have it turn into molten lead or sand.
Which of these is correct? Is either of them true?

Captain Verd
Well I'm the new son of God, so stuff it.
It's true- my uncle saw it.

demon_inuyasha67

You read the bible you would see that i am right.
Do I need to read it like five times or something before I start seeing things your ways? One time certainly hasn't been enough...
Actually two versions don't seem to have been enough either. Do I need to read a particular translation?

Djedi: You seem very fair. The world could probably use more people like you.
Teaching evolution is completely, absolutely, totally, without question necessary.
Krazyaznxinluv
I heard in some places they've decided to not teach the laws of Charles Darwin and evolution. What are your thoughts on this, and do you agree? o_o


I am against the teaching of evolution in schools. I am also against widespread literacy and the refrigeration of food
Shokushu


Captain Verd
Well I'm the new son of God, so stuff it.
It's true- my uncle saw it

*Gasp* So did my next door neighbour's nephew's girlfriend!
I think we're on to something here. We got two apostles, now hiring disciples.
What are they going to teach instead of evolution/science etc. The Bible? The Torah? The Qur'an? Unless they manage to somehow encompass each and every major religion, at the very least, it's the religious equivalent of racism. Basically, the school is stating that this way is the only way, and we reject all others.
Personally, i was hoping humans as a whole had advanced past all of this to settle on agnosticism, but alas, nothing.

We can't know. Not, at least, until we die, and i'm almost certain that there are very few people in this thread who are willing to do so to prove their point. Even then, that'd most likely only settle the issue of life after death (or the lack of it) and we'd be back at square one. In fact, we'd still be at square one if it did settle the issue once and for all, because i highly doubt the dead person in question would be able to relay their findings back to us.
So, now we've established we're back at the beginning, where do we go from here?
I hate science. I took food technology this year to get out of it. I have no idea whether the Evolutiuon theory is right or wrong, but in the three or so years i took science as a subject, the Evolution theory was never presented to me as the absolute, irrefutable truth. Unlike several major religions i could name. Of course, this is just my own experience. I live in New Zealand, and we tend to be more realistic about such matters. I would say at least half the population knows more about rugby then any given religion (I'm not a part of that half).
So yeah. The whole point of this ramble is to say, Evolution should be taught, if only because it's one of the few theories not ramming itself down peoples throat.
Please forgive my overusage of the words 'at least'. It's been a long day.
we should stop teaching the theory that the sun is the center of the solar system. We all know that the earth is the center of creation and the moon and sun were put in the firmament of the heavens by god. We should also stop trying to teach that the moon reflect ligh from the sun. the Bible clearly states the moon is a lesser light made to rule the night. thus the moon glows with its own luminescence. It only looks otherwise because the devil is tricking us. thats why we call the moons of mars Phobos and Deimos they are clearly demons in the sky trying to fool us into thinking object could orbit around anything but Earth
We should really stop teaching that evil, anti-american, pro-secular, possibly commie terrorist Atomic Theory, too.

I mean, it's just a theory.
so explain again, how there are Hispanics, Chinese, blacks, whites, and all that such from just Adam and Eve. shock shock, are you saying those races of man evolved from Adam and Eve. Thats the explanation I get every time I ask a creationist that the species of man changed from generation to generation. They say that Adam and Eve became less perfect with each generation. You lose either way. Man evolved from Adam and Eve, or they Evolved from a single celled creature. You don't think a single cell can change into a human. look up Zygote. Haha you lose. A single cell evolves into a human ever single day.

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