Homosexuality Is NOT A Sin: What Christ Said And More

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If in the Bible it says 'Love thy neighbour' then why is there so much hate towards homosexuals? It's disgusting how ironic people are.

It tends to be because of angry people yelling that either Christians are bad people for not supporting it. And I don't hate gays. Several of my friends on here are gay or bisexual. It's just that you can not have sex outside of marriage, which is between a single man and single woman, and be a Christian.

So, you can't sin and be a Christian?
Also, what about Abraham, Israel and David's marriages?

What about their marriages? David is clearly not an example of perfect behavior, I don't know why you'd pull from his marriage. And as he goes to show, men favored by God aren't necessarily perfect so I do not see why we'd look at the others either. At least not without some scrutiny, certainly more than saying "Look at their marriages"

Also, IIRC, David loved someone who was not female...

Erm even if it is true, which I wouldn't just take someone's word for it, how is that relevant?

He was a man favored by God, wasn't he?

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So, you can't sin and be a Christian?
Also, what about Abraham, Israel and David's marriages?

What about their marriages? David is clearly not an example of perfect behavior, I don't know why you'd pull from his marriage. And as he goes to show, men favored by God aren't necessarily perfect so I do not see why we'd look at the others either. At least not without some scrutiny, certainly more than saying "Look at their marriages"

Also, IIRC, David loved someone who was not female...

Erm even if it is true, which I wouldn't just take someone's word for it, how is that relevant?

He was a man favored by God, wasn't he?

Yes, so?

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So, you can't sin and be a Christian?
Also, what about Abraham, Israel and David's marriages?

What about their marriages? David is clearly not an example of perfect behavior, I don't know why you'd pull from his marriage. And as he goes to show, men favored by God aren't necessarily perfect so I do not see why we'd look at the others either. At least not without some scrutiny, certainly more than saying "Look at their marriages"

Also, IIRC, David loved someone who was not female...

Erm even if it is true, which I wouldn't just take someone's word for it, how is that relevant?

He was a man favored by God, wasn't he?

Yes, so?

So if homosexuality is a sin wouldn't David not be favored by god?

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Also, IIRC, David loved someone who was not female...

Erm even if it is true, which I wouldn't just take someone's word for it, how is that relevant?

He was a man favored by God, wasn't he?

Yes, so?

So if homosexuality is a sin wouldn't David not be favored by god?

Did you even READ the post that you replied to? I was arguing that being favored by God does not mean your actions are good, using David as an example.

I mean, did you only read about David insofar as he may relate to homosexuality? Because he was an adulterer and practically a murderer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uriah_the_Hittite

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Also, IIRC, David loved someone who was not female...

Erm even if it is true, which I wouldn't just take someone's word for it, how is that relevant?

He was a man favored by God, wasn't he?

Yes, so?

So if homosexuality is a sin wouldn't David not be favored by god?

Did you even READ the post that you replied to? I was arguing that being favored by God does not mean your actions are good, using David as an example.
I mean, did you only read about David insofar as he may relate to homosexuality? Because he was an adulterer and practically a murderer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uriah_the_Hittite

I know he has killed, I know that his kinghood was a tad screwy..

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He was a man favored by God, wasn't he?

Yes, so?

So if homosexuality is a sin wouldn't David not be favored by god?

Did you even READ the post that you replied to? I was arguing that being favored by God does not mean your actions are good, using David as an example.
I mean, did you only read about David insofar as he may relate to homosexuality? Because he was an adulterer and practically a murderer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uriah_the_Hittite

I know he has killed, I know that his kinghood was a tad screwy..

Yes, so I'm not seeing how your argument is supposed to work. Being favored by God does not mean you don't sin, I just pointed that out. So how do you get the idea that just because God favored David some particular attribute about him was not sinful?

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He was a man favored by God, wasn't he?

Yes, so?

So if homosexuality is a sin wouldn't David not be favored by god?

Did you even READ the post that you replied to? I was arguing that being favored by God does not mean your actions are good, using David as an example.
I mean, did you only read about David insofar as he may relate to homosexuality? Because he was an adulterer and practically a murderer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uriah_the_Hittite

I know he has killed, I know that his kinghood was a tad screwy..

Yes, so I'm not seeing how your argument is supposed to work. Being favored by God does not mean you don't sin, I just pointed that out. So how do you get the idea that just because God favored David some particular attribute about him was not sinful?

I never said that...jesus, the last couple of days you have just been up my a** in every thread we're both in. What did I do to piss you off?
It was an idle comment adding to the discussion, showing that he's not perfect by showing an attribute that he thought was sinful or imperfect, which is homosexuality.

Can you please get off my case now?!

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So if homosexuality is a sin wouldn't David not be favored by god?

Did you even READ the post that you replied to? I was arguing that being favored by God does not mean your actions are good, using David as an example.
I mean, did you only read about David insofar as he may relate to homosexuality? Because he was an adulterer and practically a murderer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uriah_the_Hittite

I know he has killed, I know that his kinghood was a tad screwy..

Yes, so I'm not seeing how your argument is supposed to work. Being favored by God does not mean you don't sin, I just pointed that out. So how do you get the idea that just because God favored David some particular attribute about him was not sinful?

I never said that...jesus, the last couple of days you have just been up my a** in every thread we're both in. What did I do to piss you off?
It was an idle comment adding to the discussion, showing that he's not perfect by showing an attribute that he thought was sinful or imperfect, which is homosexuality.

Can you please get off my case now?!

You sure seemed to imply it with:

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So if homosexuality is a sin wouldn't David not be favored by god?

That is not just a continuation of what I said, nor does that make it look like you were trying to prove he was not perfect.

Anyways all I did was ask what your point had to do with my post and when you finally gave me the quote above, I found it to be a rather odd argument.

Edit: And really you're the one that replied to me, did you expect me not to reply back to at least ask the point or something? neutral

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If in the Bible it says 'Love thy neighbour' then why is there so much hate towards homosexuals? It's disgusting how ironic people are.

It tends to be because of angry people yelling that either Christians are bad people for not supporting it. And I don't hate gays. Several of my friends on here are gay or bisexual. It's just that you can not have sex outside of marriage, which is between a single man and single woman, and be a Christian.

So, you can't sin and be a Christian?

Also, what about Abraham, Israel and David's marriages?

What about their marriages? David is clearly not an example of perfect behavior, I don't know why you'd pull from his marriage. And as he goes to show, men favored by God aren't necessarily perfect so I do not see why we'd look at the others either. At least not without some scrutiny, certainly more than saying "Look at their marriages"

Well, everyone keeps pointing at the couple that caused the downfall of man and saying "Look at their marriage!" as if that's the example we're supposed to follow. I bring up these men because sex happened outside of marriage and God didn't seem to mind (in the case of Abraham in particular) and there wasn't the whole one man one woman dynamic, either. And with exception of Bathsheba, David was doing pretty alright.

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If in the Bible it says 'Love thy neighbour' then why is there so much hate towards homosexuals? It's disgusting how ironic people are.

It tends to be because of angry people yelling that either Christians are bad people for not supporting it. And I don't hate gays. Several of my friends on here are gay or bisexual. It's just that you can not have sex outside of marriage, which is between a single man and single woman, and be a Christian.

So, you can't sin and be a Christian?

Also, what about Abraham, Israel and David's marriages?

What about their marriages? David is clearly not an example of perfect behavior, I don't know why you'd pull from his marriage. And as he goes to show, men favored by God aren't necessarily perfect so I do not see why we'd look at the others either. At least not without some scrutiny, certainly more than saying "Look at their marriages"

Well, everyone keeps pointing at the couple that caused the downfall of man and saying "Look at their marriage!" as if that's the example we're supposed to follow. I bring up these men because sex happened outside of marriage and God didn't seem to mind (in the case of Abraham in particular) and there wasn't the whole one man one woman dynamic, either. And with exception of Bathsheba, David was doing pretty alright.

And even then, the whole problem David ran into was that he kinda got Bathsheba's husband killed just so he could have her.

So I'm PRETTY sure the sin there wasn't anything related to sex, it was related to the fact that he, you know, technically KILLED someone to get her. >>

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If in the Bible it says 'Love thy neighbour' then why is there so much hate towards homosexuals? It's disgusting how ironic people are.

It tends to be because of angry people yelling that either Christians are bad people for not supporting it. And I don't hate gays. Several of my friends on here are gay or bisexual. It's just that you can not have sex outside of marriage, which is between a single man and single woman, and be a Christian.

...Not true.

Seeing as polyamorous marriage is accepted and not condemned in the Bible. :/ And quite a FEW of the religious figures that are held in good light had MORE THAN ONE WIFE.

Do tell. From what I recall only the political ones were polygamous, and it tended to lead to disaster. LEt us here your examples.

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linaloki

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skydaggers

If in the Bible it says 'Love thy neighbour' then why is there so much hate towards homosexuals? It's disgusting how ironic people are.

It tends to be because of angry people yelling that either Christians are bad people for not supporting it. And I don't hate gays. Several of my friends on here are gay or bisexual. It's just that you can not have sex outside of marriage, which is between a single man and single woman, and be a Christian.

So, you can't sin and be a Christian?

Also, what about Abraham, Israel and David's marriages?

Israel and David's parenting skills left much to be desired. His first son raped his daughter, his second son killed his first son and rebelled because David didn't punish the first son, the others revolted, et cetera. This was partially in punishment for David having slept with the wife of his solider and, when he couldn't get the husband to sleep with her to disguise the adultery as the solider slept outside of his King's door when he was on leave, he sent the soldier to the front lines with the instructions to his officers to pull back. Which caused the soldier's death. His polygamous lifestyle left much to be desired. And considering that he had apparently had only five children worht mentioning, he didn't seem to care much for any of them really. And I know that Abram had sex with anther woman at his wife's insistance. It wasn't right, and the child and mother were sent away when they were mocking Abram.

And you can sin and be a Christian. If you insist that you know what a sin is and that God doesn't, if you pick and choose, or if you just keep on doing it with no intention of stopping, you can not be a Christian.

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If in the Bible it says 'Love thy neighbour' then why is there so much hate towards homosexuals? It's disgusting how ironic people are.

It tends to be because of angry people yelling that either Christians are bad people for not supporting it. And I don't hate gays. Several of my friends on here are gay or bisexual. It's just that you can not have sex outside of marriage, which is between a single man and single woman, and be a Christian.

...Not true.

Seeing as polyamorous marriage is accepted and not condemned in the Bible. :/ And quite a FEW of the religious figures that are held in good light had MORE THAN ONE WIFE.

Do tell. From what I recall only the political ones were polygamous, and it tended to lead to disaster. LEt us here your examples.

Loki mentioned a few. :/

And even then, as was pointed out, with Bathsheba, the only problem was HE KILLED SOMEONE TO HAVE HER.

I notice that you criticize parenting skills. Which, really, has NOTHING to do with whether or not polyamorous marriage is within Biblical bounds. It is. :/

Also, just because it "tends to lead to disaster," well... ...So does heterosexual marriage, if Adam and Eve are anything worth looking at. And don't get started on their parenting skills! Cain and Abel, anyone? And the divorce rate these days!

...Yeah, see, your words work against you, too. :/

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If you insist that you know what a sin is and that God doesn't, if you pick and choose, or if you just keep on doing it with no intention of stopping, you can not be a Christian.

ALL TRUE SCOTSMEN WEAR KILTS, DAMMIT!

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If in the Bible it says 'Love thy neighbour' then why is there so much hate towards homosexuals? It's disgusting how ironic people are.

It tends to be because of angry people yelling that either Christians are bad people for not supporting it. And I don't hate gays. Several of my friends on here are gay or bisexual. It's just that you can not have sex outside of marriage, which is between a single man and single woman, and be a Christian.

.....wat?

*Points to thread title* I am saying that I know it is wrong and that Christians can not have sex outside of marriage. If they do they are not real Christians.

There is a difference between ethnicity and attempting t abuse God's grace.