Homosexuality Is NOT A Sin: What Christ Said And More

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I'm Catholic, but I believe the Bible is a load of crap.
Why?
It was written by sexist, homophobic men, not God. They looked down on women and gays, so they wrote the Bible based on their own views.
I still believe in God and Jesus...but not the Bible. God wouldn't look down on people because their gay.

[Kuribittch]

Hayabashi 2

Yes, God did demand procreation. Very much so.

Genesis 1:27-28
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

How do we increase in number? That is God's first commandment to us humans.

You sir have just succeeded in bastardizing your own faith. BLESSINGS ARE NOT COMMANDS. Thanks for failing

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Let's not forget how God then commanded Noah.

Genesis 9:1

1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

So Noah is everyone?

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Here are some verses on how marriage and stuff works, how God wants a man and a woman to love each other in the romantic sense.

No, that's how you've twisted them. Big difference

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Ephesians 5:28
In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
Ephesians 5:27-29 (in Context) Ephesians 5 (Whole Chapter)
Ephesians 5:33
However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

However, i'm SURE God doesn;t mind it if a man loves another man, because that is love as Jesus had commanded.

Context is your friend kid

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Now, about sexual imorality...

Matthew 5:27-30

27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'[a] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Matthew 15:19

19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.


Acts 15:29
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

Romans 13:13
Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy.


1 Corinthians 6:13
"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"—but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.


I think that's enough.

It isn't. All you did was prove you're illiterate. I said prove homosexuality is a synonym for sexual immorality. Not a single one of those verses says any such thing

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Not to mention this verse.

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

You fail at the Bible. Try the greek next time genius. That was FULLY explained within the first posts

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The meaning of this verse isn't to condemn homosexuals or thieves, or anyone else for that matter, but to show that SIN, all types of it, cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven. BUT! Through Jesus, we can all be forgiven and our sins washed away, NO matter which sin it was.

God is a forgiver. God will always forgive anyone who comes to Him in the name of Jesus Christ. That is why we mustn't hate anyone. Jesus commandments were to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and to love your neighbor as you love yourself.

37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[a] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

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That is why we must not hate, prosecute, turn away, or condemn homosexuals. We must love them, be their friends, and not point the figure at them. We mustn't give them a dirty look or judge them, because we are all sinful. That's why Jesus said don't judge others.

Matthew 7:1-6

Judging Others
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

We are all sinful. We have committed something wrong with God. Judging gay people is incorrect. Hating them is especially incorrect. However, that doesn't change the fact that sin is a sin.

Doesn't make homosexuality one either. Now stop filling your posts with irrelevance

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Here's somethig about Jesus telling us that we should obey the Law. However, the leviticus law and the mosaic law, as this fine thread maker said, is fulfilled in Jesus Christ. It's NOT finished, it;s just that Jesus has made it so that it is fulfilled in Him, that is why we don't follow it or practice it, because Jesus has made it complete in Him.

Matthew 15
Clean and Unclean
1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"
3Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, 'Honor your father and mother'[a] and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' 5But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,' 6he is not to 'honor his father[c]' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8" 'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.'[d]"

10Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "

12Then the disciples came to him and asked, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?"

13He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides.[e] If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."

15Peter said, "Explain the parable to us."

16"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. 17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' "

I can't miss this one. Of course interracial marriage is OK. God certainly isn't a racist.

Acts 17:26 - "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation..." (emphasis added) -- one blood means that all are related in some way

Galatians 3:28 - "There is neither Jew nor Greek [i.e. Gentile], there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (emphasis added) -- we're not supposed to practise discrimination

I don't know how you could have possibly gotten that out of what was said in that creation story. What was said was the God made a woman, confused

What are you babbling about now?

[linaloki]

Now, I was going to get to your original post, but we'll deal with this one first, yes?

Hayabashi 2

Yes, God did demand procreation. Very much so.

Genesis 1:27-28
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Right. He said be fruitful and increase in number. Know who He was talking to? The ENTIRE SPECIES. You'll note that Paul never had children, yet he was considered to be a devout man of God. The Prophets never had children, Moses never had kids... Every single person in the world did not need to have kids. Just the species of man. If celibacy was a sin, then Catholics would be bung hosed, and the infertile would be in hell.

Hayabashi 2

How do we increase in number? That is God's first commandment to us humans.

Not commandment. General suggestion to the humans.

Hayabashi 2

Let's not forget how God then commanded Noah.

Genesis 9:1

1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

Okay, now note... Who did he say it to? Noah and his kids. Not you. Not me. Not the gay guy a mile away from me.

Hayabashi 2

Here are some verses on how marriage and stuff works, how God wants a man and a woman to love each other in the romantic sense.

Ephesians 5:28
In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
Ephesians 5:27-29 (in Context) Ephesians 5 (Whole Chapter)
Ephesians 5:33
However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

However, i'm SURE God doesn;t mind it if a man loves another man, because that is love as Jesus had commanded.

The original words were a tad more androgenous. And correct, homosexual love isn't forbidden, as I showed with the verses from 1 John.

Hayabashi 2

Now, about sexual imorality...

Matthew 5:27-30

27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'[a] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Matthew 15:19

19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.


Acts 15:29
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

Romans 13:13
Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy.


1 Corinthians 6:13
"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"—but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.


I think that's enough.

Quite right. Now... can you tell me what sexual immorality is? I'll give you a hint, and it doesn't start with being homosexual.

Hayabashi 2

Not to mention this verse.

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

The meaning of this verse isn't to condemn homosexuals or thieves, or anyone else for that matter, but to show that SIN, all types of it, cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven. BUT! Through Jesus, we can all be forgiven and our sins washed away, NO matter which sin it was.

Unfortunately, as was ALSO covered in the OP, this verse is a mistranslation. Homosexuality is still not a sin.

[Lord Setar]

Loki, he left.

[linaloki]

Lord Setar

Loki, he left.

crying I still wanna feel good about responding.

Besides, it constructively moves the thread back to the first page. ninja

[Lord Setar]

linaloki

Lord Setar

Loki, he left.

crying I still wanna feel good about responding.

Besides, it constructively moves the thread back to the first page. ninja

I usually PM those people with my argument.

[Victorian_Yalena]

*claps* Im proud to say, Im not a popular christan.
Thanks for putting this up!

[Hayabashi2]

Those are all good points. Though, being fruitful and multiply was a command by God, as much as don't eat from the Tree that gives knowlege of Good and Evil. That wasn't a suggestion, because if God had only suggested it, we wouldn't have survived so long. I still don't think that homosexual sex is right with God, because in those same verses it says, "Men gave up their natural desires to court with woman and lusted after each other". That seems very much like the fact that they gave up their natural desires to court with men was incorrect.

However, all I know is that God told us to love everyone, whether gay or straight, or whatever. I'll just end off by saying that you are very right to be loving homosexuals. That I agree with wholeheartedly.

[No No Raja]

Hayabashi 2

Those are all good points. Though, being fruitful and multiply was a command by God, as much as don't eat from the Tree that gives knowlege of Good and Evil. That wasn't a suggestion, because if God had only suggested it, we wouldn't have survived so long.

Proof of this?

I mean, yeah, he blessed them and told them to be fruitful and multiply. He didn't TELL them to do so. It was a BLESSING.

Hayabashi 2

I still don't think that homosexual sex is right with God, because in those same verses it says, "Men gave up their natural desires to court with woman and lusted after each other". That seems very much like the fact that they gave up their natural desires to court with men was incorrect.

The original word, I believe, was arestonokoitas, or something to that extent. It means "unnatural to the individual."

It is not natural for me to lie with a man, for reasons both obvious and perhaps implicit. The thought of intimacy with a guy sickens me--because it's not natural for me to like a guy.

Hayabashi 2

However, all I know is that God told us to love everyone, whether gay or straight, or whatever. I'll just end off by saying that you are very right to be loving homosexuals. That I agree with wholeheartedly.

I wish everyone else would follow this thought process and give gays their due. It's frustrating when you see horrible arguments against gay marriage that are pretty much baseless.

[RMarques]

Hayabashi 2

I still don't think that homosexual sex is right with God, because in those same verses it says, "Men gave up their natural desires to court with woman and lusted after each other".

I could be wrong, but if I remenber correctly, the word that is translated as natural, actually means what's natural for each individual. As in, it wouldn't be natural for a vegan to eat meat. So, assuming I'm correct, that verse could mean that heterosexual stopping courting women, and decided to have sex with eachother. It's not about homosexual sex, it's about going against your own nature.

[Marshal67]

Hayabashi 2

Those are all good points. Though, being fruitful and multiply was a command by God

So unmarried people ar sinning? What of Priests, nuns, Christian munks? Are they all living in sin?

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as much as don't eat from the Tree that gives knowlege of Good and Evil.

Well the multiply suggestion doesnt come with the "or you shall surely die" part tacked onto the end.

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That wasn't a suggestion, because if God had only suggested it, we wouldn't have survived so long.

Yes we would have. Sex is fun, it feels good. People would do it even if God hadnt suggested it.

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I still don't think that homosexual sex is right with God, because in those same verses it says, "Men gave up their natural desires to court with woman and lusted after each other".

Well the evidence provided says your wrong.

They did give up their natural desires...it is speaking of heterosexual men, not homosexual men. The sin here is not being true to yourself.

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However, all I know is that God told us to love everyone, whether gay or straight, or whatever. I'll just end off by saying that you are very right to be loving homosexuals. That I agree with wholeheartedly.

That is debatable, if God loves everyone. In the Bible it says He loves "His children". That could men saved, or not saved, or Jews. We don't know.

Nowhere to my knowledge does it say "God loves everything ever created". I could be wrong on this, I hope I am. This is a debate I have with my father a lot.

[Hayabashi2]

Whether you are right or I'm right, all I know is that I'm going to love homosexuals and be their friends, in the name of Jesus Christ.

[Kuribittch]

Hayabashi 2

Those are all good points. Though, being fruitful and multiply was a command by God, as much as don't eat from the Tree that gives knowlege of Good and Evil.

Say it all you want kid. You're wrong. Celibacy, virginity, infertility and sterility all prove that.

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That wasn't a suggestion, because if God had only suggested it, we wouldn't have survived so long.

Proof? And guess what? Nobody claimed suggestion

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I still don't think that homosexual sex is right with God,

To bad your opinion is meaningless in the matter

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because in those same verses it says, "Men gave up their natural desires to court with woman and lusted after each other".

Lie. It says men gave up the NATURAL USE of woman and burned in lust for one another doing INDECENT ACTS. To narrow it to homosexuality is to shove words in God's mouth and you know it

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That seems very much like the fact that they gave up their natural desires to court with men was incorrect.

Or perhaps it condemns heterosexuals that live double lives? Oo see? LOGIC. Try it sometime rather than bastardizing God's word

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However, all I know is that God told us to love everyone, whether gay or straight, or whatever. I'll just end off by saying that you are very right to be loving homosexuals. That I agree with wholeheartedly.

Next time you argue against an OP, try actually refuting it's points rather than ignoring them

[Necriatria]

Very interesting read. I'm not a Christian, but it's interesting to see different interpretations of the Bible.

[Niagrah]

look..... The reason that Christians say that homosexuality is wrong is because it is soooooooooooooooo against God!!!!! mad