Evolution: one way to look at it

[Trorbes]

Decyde

Theistic evolution is interesting, but not biblical.

Neither are computers.

Decyde

Either the bible is or isnt correct

It's not correct.

Decyde

and quite frankly, it is a historical document proven time after time to be proven correct by historical findings.

And can you find these findings for us?

[BlackShadow03]

Hovemond

BlackShadow03

Aww, crap. Seems I'm already late to this party. It was over by the second post. neutral

But denying observed reality because you believe it conflicts with your religion, even when it doesn't, is kind of....what's the word....retarted? Evolution only conflicts with YECers, but then again so does everything else.

The word is not retarted.

You mean retarded?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=a+retarted wink

[Tobias_London]

Decyde

EsgarBlackpoxs

Decyde

EsgarBlackpoxs

Too bad Evolution says nothing about God. Otherwise, you might have a point. Also, the Vatican would like a word.

Some people think God and evolution can exist, but for some reason, evolution points to no need or use of God. The fittest survive! geene pools changed by chance! Geography caused it! nothing about God, all about chance.

You mean people like the Pope and the Catholic church, right? Cause they do. Also, let me introduce you to my friend Theistic Evolution; God created/guides Evolution, and uses it as his mechanic to make new species.

Im not catholic, and the pope is as human as any one of us. He is capable of sinning, after all, all men have fallen short of the glory of god. So yes, I can disagree with the pope and be right some times. Theistic evolution is interesting, but not biblical. Either the bible is or isnt correct, and quite frankly, it is a historical document proven time after time to be proven correct by historical findings.

The only thing the Bible has ever gotten right were the names of the cities.
That's pretty much the only true historical documentation.
And if you can prove me wrong in this, please do.

[BlackShadow03]

Decyde

Either the bible is or isnt correct, and quite frankly, it is a historical document proven time after time to be proven correct by historical findings.

Such as? So far all the geological evidence points away from a global flood and six day creation, for example. confused

[EsgarBlackpoxs]

Decyde

EsgarBlackpoxs

Decyde

EsgarBlackpoxs

Too bad Evolution says nothing about God. Otherwise, you might have a point. Also, the Vatican would like a word.

Some people think God and evolution can exist, but for some reason, evolution points to no need or use of God. The fittest survive! geene pools changed by chance! Geography caused it! nothing about God, all about chance.

You mean people like the Pope and the Catholic church, right? Cause they do. Also, let me introduce you to my friend Theistic Evolution; God created/guides Evolution, and uses it as his mechanic to make new species.

Im not catholic, and the pope is as human as any one of us. He is capable of sinning, after all, all men have fallen short of the glory of god. So yes, I can disagree with the pope and be right some times. Theistic evolution is interesting, but not biblical. Either the bible is or isnt correct, and quite frankly, it is a historical document proven time after time to be proven correct by historical findings.

False dichotomy. You're presuming only an absolute literal interpretation of the Bible is the correct one, and not a metaphorical one, and that it's an all-or-nothing sort of deal. And tell me, if the Bible is such an EXCELLENT historical document, unwavering in its accuracy, why were there less creatures around back in then then now? Because a 30 cubitx50x30 ship certainly couldn't carry 2 of every organism on earth.

And let's not forget that your point wasn't that sinners follow Evolution, but rather the godless sort. Are you now saying that the Vatican is both godless and a bunch of sinners?

Also, I want to see a citation for every assertion in the Bible being empirically validated. I'm curious to see how you're going to prove God.

[xxxMetalxxxGearxxx]

BlackShadow03

Hovemond

BlackShadow03

Aww, crap. Seems I'm already late to this party. It was over by the second post. neutral

But denying observed reality because you believe it conflicts with your religion, even when it doesn't, is kind of....what's the word....retarted? Evolution only conflicts with YECers, but then again so does everything else.

The word is not retarted.

You mean retarded?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=a+retarted wink

Cool, I learned some new Internet slang.

But I believe the usage of that is "a retarted", and is thus a noun (as opposed to an adjective), so you're still wrong.

[Pflibbitz]

So if I believe in God then I can't believe in the Evolutionary process?

I think you need to stop listening to the rhetoric of the Creationists and the IDers and learn a little about Evolution.

Since the beginning of recorded time, Religious Zealots have been afraid of every Scientific advance. Look at what they did when Science had the audacity to figure out that the Earth was not the center of the Universe or that the Earth was not indeed flat as they believed.

Sorry, but your hypothesis only carries forward that mindset of the Religious Zealot who cannot open his mind to the obvious.

There is nothing in Science that precludes the Existence of God!~

[Heather_In_Octane]

Decyde

Heather Ann Potter

Decyde

Evolution is good for people who don't want God to exist. They use it as a crutch to get by and be happy with themselves. Why? Because with a God, there is a moral code to adhere to. Without a God, any immorality is justified and unpunished. People believe in evolution so that they dont feel so bad after blatantly lying, cheating, stealing, rampant sex, and other immoral behavior that leads to an anarchist world. There is no peace there. With a God, there is Peace.

Evolution corrupts.

I have a perfectly good moral compass and don't belive in your god.

Okay, thats nice. What keeps your morals on track?

and what are your morals?

Eight words

"And it harm none, do what ye will"

Karma keeps me on track, period. I've seen Karma in action, and karma has gotten me back for somethings I have done. I'm convicned I murdered babies in my past life or something, with everything that has happened in this life to me.

[Jaaten Syric]

BlackShadow03

Aww, crap. Seems I'm already late to this party. It was over by the second post. neutral

But denying observed reality because you believe it conflicts with your religion, even when it doesn't, is kind of....what's the word....retarded? Evolution only conflicts with YECers, but then again so does everything else.

I know, I wanted in on it too...Then again I do think I have the perfect image to describe the OP somewhere...

AH!

[BlackShadow03]

Hovemond

BlackShadow03

Hovemond

BlackShadow03

Aww, crap. Seems I'm already late to this party. It was over by the second post. neutral

But denying observed reality because you believe it conflicts with your religion, even when it doesn't, is kind of....what's the word....retarted? Evolution only conflicts with YECers, but then again so does everything else.

The word is not retarted.

You mean retarded?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=a+retarted wink

Cool, I learned some new Internet slang.

But I believe the usage of that is "a retarted", and is thus a noun (as opposed to an adjective), so you're still wrong.

Ah, crap. I've been found out! gonk

[GunsmithKitten]

Decyde

Evolution is good for people who don't want God to exist. They use it as a crutch to get by and be happy with themselves. Why? Because with a God, there is a moral code to adhere to. Without a God, any immorality is justified and unpunished. People believe in evolution so that they dont feel so bad after blatantly lying, cheating, stealing, rampant sex, and other immoral behavior that leads to an anarchist world. There is no peace there. With a God, there is Peace.

Evolution corrupts.

The Catholic Church get's along fine with it. So much for your notion.

Theistic Evolution for the win.

By the way, is Genesis, both in the KJ version AND the original Greek/Hebrew translations, explicit on exactly how God created the planet? If you have that info, it'd be an interesting read....

[Heartfout]

GunsmithKitten

Decyde

Evolution is good for people who don't want God to exist. They use it as a crutch to get by and be happy with themselves. Why? Because with a God, there is a moral code to adhere to. Without a God, any immorality is justified and unpunished. People believe in evolution so that they dont feel so bad after blatantly lying, cheating, stealing, rampant sex, and other immoral behavior that leads to an anarchist world. There is no peace there. With a God, there is Peace.

Evolution corrupts.

The Catholic Church get's along fine with it. So much for your notion.

Theistic Evolution for the win.

By the way, is Genesis, both in the KJ version AND the original Greek/Hebrew translations, explicit on exactly how God created the planet? If you have that info, it'd be an interesting read....

With PVA glue, loo rools, lots of tape, a bit of string and some aycrilic paint. He actually spent most of sunday tidying up his work station: some of the seas had leaked you see.

[Katherine1]

Trorbes

Decyde

Theistic evolution is interesting, but not biblical.

Neither are computers.

And neither is North America, South America, Australia, and Antarctica. 4 of the 7 Continents are non-biblical! *Gasp* They must not really exist as the bible is truth and it doesn't mention them!

[Vryko Lakas]

Keep in mind when responding that I'm not an atheist.

Decyde

Evolution is good for people who don't want God to exist.

Observable, verifiable facts tend to be good for everyone regardless of what they want to believe. Knowing that evolution is a fact of life enables us to understand things like diseases that become resistant to medicine, how to make crops more resilient to adverse climates, and why some genetic defects affect vision as well as the ability to hear. The attitude that we can get by just fine without acknowledging evolution is the subject of numerous books, such as Why Darwin Matters and Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why it Matters. For a much briefer overview, there are plenty of Google hits for "why evolution matters," such as this page from PBS, this opinion piece, this page, and so on and so forth.
Let us examine a case where evolutionary biology was ignored, and the consequences thereof. Trofim Lysenko was a Soviet agronomist who labeled Mendelian genetics and Darwinian evolution "bourgeois pseudoscience" and anti-Communist. He instead proposed a system of agriculture based on non-Darwinian ideas that plants acquired characteristics in Lamarckian fashion and advocated agricultural reforms to put his new system in place. The result was massive crop failures and widespread famine in the USSR. By discounting the solid advances that had been made in genetics and understanding descent with modification that preceded him, Lysenko rejected the scientific idea of evolution and his ideology killed millions of people.

If you think evolution is only useful as a sort of psychological crutch for the Godless, you're a smug and ignorant twit who leeches the benefits of something he refuses to acknowledge.

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Without a God, any immorality is justified and unpunished.

Demonstrably false. Atheism by itself has never been shown to lead to these things, in fact many atheists are vocal Humanists who advocate treating other people with the utmost respect and adherence to secular moral systems. Fanatical belief that one's actions are justified by God, however, has led to untold human misery, suffering, and atrocity.

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People believe in evolution so that they dont feel so bad after blatantly lying, cheating, stealing, rampant sex, and other immoral behavior that leads to an anarchist world.

Are you sure? Because well over 95% of scientists and engineers in the US accept evolution as a fact. When you restrict the number to those whose work actually has something relevant to say about evolution and the history of the Earth, that number jumps to nearly 100%. And not even all of these people are atheists, in fact a huge chunk of them aren't.
Are you honestly going to sit there and tell me that the scientific community is completely overrun by lawless, amoral anarchists and criminals?

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With a God, there is Peace.

With more than one group that has unique ideas about what "God" means, there is often strife.

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Evolution corrupts.

Arrogance corrupts.

Finally, evolution is not an "atheistic" belief, it's a scientific fact. It's as well-demonstrated and observed to be true as the laws of thermodynamics, gravity, and conservation of mass/energy. Evolution is held as a fact by countless people of diverse religious beliefs, including huge numbers of Christians who are also scientists. Some that I could name off the top of my head are Francis Collins, former head of the Human Genome Project and Evangelical Christian, Kenneth Miller, biologists and textbook author who is also a devout Catholic, Theodosius Dobzhansky who is a Russian Orthodox and biologist... I could go on and on. All the people mentioned are recognized experts in their fields and also devout Christian believers, and they all argue vehemently for the acceptance of evolution by the public.

[Tobias_London]

Katherine1

Trorbes

Decyde

Theistic evolution is interesting, but not biblical.

Neither are computers.

And neither is North America, South America, Australia, and Antarctica. 4 of the 7 Continents are non-biblical! *Gasp* They must not really exist as the bible is truth and it doesn't mention them!

rofl