McSteak'n'Cheese! ~ SFHangout Thread ~ Objection!

[Lunel]

I really don't understand how you can look at all the features this site has, all the people that are working on projects both current and future, think about all the servers that were bought for zOMG, all the bandwidth cost for that, not to mention all the money they put into creating it in the first place and yet still complain about money.
How much do you think servers cost? How much traffic does this site get daily? What about employees? You think they work for free?

All I see in this thread is people who are probably a bunch of teenagers who have no concept of money. the mmo playing experience is in no way hindered if you choose not to spend money on it. You can have a perfectly fine aquarium with just daily chance items, as well as a nice avatar. No aspect of this site is pay to play.

Your "we refuse to pay any longer" signature is hilarious. You refuse to pay? Do you think everything it takes to keep this site running is free? Honestly? Grow up.

[Kenzish]

Kiyoske Dante

Kenzish

You can't blame the mods. It's the admins that make them have a set quota of posts they need to delete/mark as spam. If they don't meet that quota I believe they get fired

Where'd you dig up that crock of bull?

Moderation has no "quota" or "daily goal" or anything similar. Moderation means they remove spam and flaming and trolling as they find it/ it gets reported.

The Tech Talk moderators have, in the past ( 06? ), gone entire weeks without a single report or deleted post. This isn't them not doing their job; its the fact that there is no quota to reach.

And with a final note: Moderators can't be "fired" because they are never "hired". Volunteer work isn't hired/fired. Moderators (with, what, 2 exceptions here?) are volunteers. No pay.

The information regarding a moderators quota is archived in the earlier version of this thread. If you intend to invalidate what I've said, I expect you to prove it's not true by presenting your own evidence. You can't call bullshit with out your own counter evidence to back it up. And actually you CAN be fired when you're a volunteer. You can be fired without actually being "hired". Just because they both end in "ed" does not mean they are 100% related. You can be asked to do a job with no pay, and then be layed off (or fired). I know mods don't get paid. I'm not an idiot. However I am fairly sure there IS a quota. If you'd like conformation one way or another I suggest YOU pm a mod. I have heard on multiple occassions that there is a quota for at least the majority of moderators.

[FenrisHellhound]

iSam 2000

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

SCREW THE ADMINS SCREW THE MODS screw all of gaia i Quit

Obby.
Take me with you!

Can I has yur stuff :3

WHA? NOOOO crying Question is it Legal on gaia to Ignore Mods?

[greet me with good-byes]

I agree with Lunel, but also there is still the aspect of just listening
They could at least put up an announcment telling us they could have looked over the Petition forum.
But, I think I'd rather have this unorganized, advertisement-filled mess than no Gaia whatsoever. :]

[greet me with good-byes]

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

iSam 2000

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

SCREW THE ADMINS SCREW THE MODS screw all of gaia i Quit

Obby.
Take me with you!

Can I has yur stuff :3

WHA? NOOOO crying Question is it Legal on gaia to Ignore Mods?

LOL!
I don't think they'd care/ notice. Go ahead.
Keep in mind, it's not the mods/admins fault. They aren't at the top of the food-chain.

[FenrisHellhound]

iSam 2000

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

iSam 2000

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

SCREW THE ADMINS SCREW THE MODS screw all of gaia i Quit

Obby.
Take me with you!

Can I has yur stuff :3

WHA? NOOOO crying Question is it Legal on gaia to Ignore Mods?

LOL!
I don't think they'd care/ notice. Go ahead.
Keep in mind, it's not the mods/admins fault. They aren't at the top of the food-chain.

THE HELL they are at the Top here Look at 'Lanzer' he created this site and all other Admins are at the top of the 'food chain' next being (any other staff) and Moderator Ranks Us the members at the Bottom Gaia is soon going to be Pay-To-Play

[Kenzish]

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

iSam 2000

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

iSam 2000

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

SCREW THE ADMINS SCREW THE MODS screw all of gaia i Quit

Obby.
Take me with you!

Can I has yur stuff :3

WHA? NOOOO crying Question is it Legal on gaia to Ignore Mods?

LOL!
I don't think they'd care/ notice. Go ahead.
Keep in mind, it's not the mods/admins fault. They aren't at the top of the food-chain.

THE HELL they are at the Top here Look at 'Lanzer' he created this site and all other Admins are at the top of the 'food chain' next being (any other staff) and Moderator Ranks Us the members at the Bottom Gaia is soon going to be Pay-To-Play

I don't see how the gaia "food chain" has anything to do with Gaia becoming P2P

[greet me with good-byes]

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

iSam 2000

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

iSam 2000

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

SCREW THE ADMINS SCREW THE MODS screw all of gaia i Quit

Obby.
Take me with you!

Can I has yur stuff :3

WHA? NOOOO crying Question is it Legal on gaia to Ignore Mods?

LOL!
I don't think they'd care/ notice. Go ahead.
Keep in mind, it's not the mods/admins fault. They aren't at the top of the food-chain.

THE HELL they are at the Top here Look at 'Lanzer' he created this site and all other Admins are at the top of the 'food chain' next being (any other staff) and Moderator Ranks Us the members at the Bottom Gaia is soon going to be Pay-To-Play

Your right, It's inevitable. Gaia is being slowly consumed by money and greed. Cash Shop, Aquarium, and the Battle System. It's digusting; but it's the world.
Use periods and question marks, please. Not meaning to sound like the grammar police, I just had to read that twice to get it @_@
Where are the developers and illistrators on that pyramid?

[FenrisHellhound]

Kenzish

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

iSam 2000

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

iSam 2000

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

SCREW THE ADMINS SCREW THE MODS screw all of gaia i Quit

Obby.
Take me with you!

Can I has yur stuff :3

WHA? NOOOO crying Question is it Legal on gaia to Ignore Mods?

LOL!
I don't think they'd care/ notice. Go ahead.
Keep in mind, it's not the mods/admins fault. They aren't at the top of the food-chain.

THE HELL they are at the Top here Look at 'Lanzer' he created this site and all other Admins are at the top of the 'food chain' next being (any other staff) and Moderator Ranks Us the members at the Bottom Gaia is soon going to be Pay-To-Play

I don't see how the gaia "food chain" has anything to do with Gaia becoming P2P

Daaa hehe got carried away thar! but still you should get my point!

[greet me with good-byes]

Kenzish

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

iSam 2000

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

iSam 2000

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

SCREW THE ADMINS SCREW THE MODS screw all of gaia i Quit

Obby.
Take me with you!

Can I has yur stuff :3

WHA? NOOOO crying Question is it Legal on gaia to Ignore Mods?

LOL!
I don't think they'd care/ notice. Go ahead.
Keep in mind, it's not the mods/admins fault. They aren't at the top of the food-chain.

THE HELL they are at the Top here Look at 'Lanzer' he created this site and all other Admins are at the top of the 'food chain' next being (any other staff) and Moderator Ranks Us the members at the Bottom Gaia is soon going to be Pay-To-Play

I don't see how the gaia "food chain" has anything to do with Gaia becoming P2P

It is related to the main topic though; Things Wrong With Gaia.
Ehh, whatever. I barely understood his post anyways.

[FenrisHellhound]

iSam 2000

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

iSam 2000

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

iSam 2000

X-XxAzure KiteXx-X

SCREW THE ADMINS SCREW THE MODS screw all of gaia i Quit

Obby.
Take me with you!

Can I has yur stuff :3

WHA? NOOOO crying Question is it Legal on gaia to Ignore Mods?

LOL!
I don't think they'd care/ notice. Go ahead.
Keep in mind, it's not the mods/admins fault. They aren't at the top of the food-chain.

THE HELL they are at the Top here Look at 'Lanzer' he created this site and all other Admins are at the top of the 'food chain' next being (any other staff) and Moderator Ranks Us the members at the Bottom Gaia is soon going to be Pay-To-Play

Your right, It's inevitable. Gaia is being slowly consumed by money and greed. Cash Shop, Aquarium, and the Battle System. It's digusting; but it's the world.
Use periods and question marks, please. Not meaning to sound like the grammar police, I just had to read that twice to get it @_@
Where are the developers and illistrators on that pyramid?

I said any other staff after Admin right? any way sorry for Confusion! *gives Cookie* now back to Topic...what were we talking about again?

[greet me with good-byes]

Gaia just needs to tone it down; not get rid of anything.
I sure as hell would be pissed if any of the threads I'd made got deleted, new or old. So that opinion is crap.

I don't think this will help anything.

[aldave]

hope that everything will be fixed......

[FenrisHellhound]

Gaia refuses to listen to us and Will continue to. When gaia is PAY-TO-PLAY it'll be a dead site and they'll regret it

[Kiyoske Dante]

Kenzish

Kiyoske Dante

Kenzish

You can't blame the mods. It's the admins that make them have a set quota of posts they need to delete/mark as spam. If they don't meet that quota I believe they get fired

Where'd you dig up that crock of bull?
Moderation has no "quota" or "daily goal" or anything similar. Moderation means they remove spam and flaming and trolling as they find it/ it gets reported.
The Tech Talk moderators have, in the past ( 06? ), gone entire weeks without a single report or deleted post. This isn't them not doing their job; its the fact that there is no quota to reach.
And with a final note: Moderators can't be "fired" because they are never "hired". Volunteer work isn't hired/fired. Moderators (with, what, 2 exceptions here?) are volunteers. No pay.

The information regarding a moderators quota is archived in the earlier version of this thread. If you intend to invalidate what I've said, I expect you to prove it's not true by presenting your own evidence. You can't call bullshit with out your own counter evidence to back it up. And actually you CAN be fired when you're a volunteer. You can be fired without actually being "hired". Just because they both end in "ed" does not mean they are 100% related. You can be asked to do a job with no pay, and then be layed off (or fired). I know mods don't get paid. I'm not an idiot. However I am fairly sure there IS a quota. If you'd like conformation one way or another I suggest YOU pm a mod. I have heard on multiple occassions that there is a quota for at least the majority of moderators.

Being laid off and being fired are two seperate, but similar verbs.
In the same way "homocide" and "manslaughter" are similar, but different.
Proof? Twistex, Pirogoth Wolfblood, Ryuke Dragon, and Kederaji Tajorn are my proof.

There are sanitation requirements, but not "delete 160 posts a day or else; delete random crap if you can't reach that number".
\EDIT: Sanitation requirements as in "don't let this forum turn into GD".

And me PMing moderators? I do every day. I am friends with many.
@iSam2000: Gaia will always be freemium. Always. Aquarium, the *five* zOMG! cash items, Cash shop, are *all* freemium. You don't have to have or NEED TO have any for-pay items to be able to enjoy Gaia. All freemium resources in Gaia eventually trickle into free-currency venues. At no point will you be held at gun point with your paypal account in front of you and *forced* to pay to use Gaia or get killed. Never. You are never *forced* to buy from Gaia; you can always pick whatever it is in the user-run market.

But tell me dear, how would you plan to support a company that costs 25$Mil a year without money?