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I love this thread because I think the first post is beautiful.
You bring up a ton of good points and arguments without making it a mindless rant. I agree with mostly everything here. The cash shops have gotten out of control.
I'm an old Gaia member that keeps coming and going. I have been with Gaia for a very long time so have gotten a lot of gold stored up. I'm recently starting to come back slowly and am very saddened. Here I am with all this gold wanting to spend some for new items but all of the best stuff I cant. I havnt bought a MC in almost forever because the EI are so much better but I'm in college and have better things to spend my money on.

About the Aquariums
I have a few different opinions. First off I like their design more, in other words I actually like the cute looking graphics compared to the fishing game ones, so I think they should keep their design.
However! Making everything to put into that tank cash shop items it unfair.
You know how they gave you fish to start out with? Well I'm feeding them everyday, and everyday their happiness is going up. All seems right in the world and I log on one morning and BAM they are dead! Why? I have no idea because their happiness was constantly rising and never going down, how does this work? Then I have to go pay money for more fish? Not if they are dying for no reason.

Unfortunately I see where Gaia is coming from. Running a company takes a lot of money and Gaia is so huge I believe since when it first started off. The numbers of users is amazing. The Gaia staff and probably also grown to new heights. Those people probably want to be paid. No to mention keeping enough budget to maintain a site and other functions like going to cons and whatnot. All this makes me see why they need money, Thats what happens when a business gets bigger.

I just think that they need to tweek a few things here and there like with the Aquarium fish, or making MCs better. Theres probably a lot of other things, and I'm sure they arnt doing these things just to smite us. Again thats why I like this thread because you are briging up the issues without making it a rant. Keep up the good work.
I've only been on Gaia for a year, and even from then until now, I can see a difference in the atmosphere, and how many ridiculous new features are being released. MTV's shop, the increasing number of things to be bought with real money, and the overwhelming focus on getting money. Gaia was originally for anime, but whenever people ask me what kidn of site it is now, I have foudnt hat i fidn myself more inclined to anhswer, "Like Myspace or Facebook," rather than the former answer, "An anime-based site." This entire situation is quite depressing, and I can't help but wonder if it could have been prevented. Of course it could have. Admins, Developers, please listen to us...this is not as fun as it used to be, please bring it all back!!
Wow, I read all of that gigantic post, and I just kept on nodding, over and over and over.

I haven't been active on this site much at all since June. Even then, It wasn't very often that I did much. I haven't bought Gaia cash since April. Why? I'm sick of the stuff Gaia's been doing.
I saw the Inari's beads, and practically flushed with excitement, but I have no more cash left, and I'm in college now. I can't dole out $25 a month to keep my account on here rolling. I don't feel like selling any of my old Donation Items either. (I'll never call them monthly collectibles. Long story.)

Frankly, after five years of waiting, I'm not even excited about the battle system anymore! Why? Gaia's killing themselves the same way neopets did, for the same reason that makes me LOATHE IMVU. (That and the ZOMG art looks ripped off of The World Ends With You. I tried to ignore it, but every time I play that game then look at the banner, it looks like someone just copied it.) Many of the main site features are becoming pay-only.

I saw the banner for aquariums and thought it was the cutest idea ever! Then I saw that it would probably cost around $30 just to keep your fish alive for a little longer than a couple of days. How disappointing! What? Why? WHY? Game items are usually cheap and fun, not for scrimping and saving just to purchase.

I'm not even going to mention how irritated I was when I saw that Gaia went back on their word and released real wings. *grumble* Gaia now also has ads in GameInformer, Shojo Beat, and on other websites. The site was growing really fast without it, because users spread the word really quickly to begin with. If they have the money to be advertising in magazines, I'm sure they could hire a couple more people to work on features and fixing (le gasp!) old glitches. (I still have some items that don't layer properly or have green goo when I try to wear them.)

Thumbs up for this thread.
i have a question: are we even sure Lanzer is "Lanzer" anymore? I mean the name is probably property of gaiaonline so the real developer could hae been kicked a long time ago or his words may be controlled by the the company itself. sounds like an insane theory but, it is possible.

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Oh, we're going all conspiricy theories now!

On a sidenote - has anyone else noticed 'send a text message' in their inbox? (Which, by the way, I'm assuming costs Gaia Cash - I haven't actually used it, so feel free to tell me I'm wrong)

To me, it:
A) feels like another 'Myspace-type' gimmick
B) is another pay to use feature (just guessing, mind)
C) is useless unless you live in the US (only US cellphone numbers accepted)
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i have a question: are we even sure Lanzer is "Lanzer" anymore? I mean the name is probably property of gaiaonline so the real developer could hae been kicked a long time ago or his words may be controlled by the the company itself. sounds like an insane theory but, it is possible.
DeviantART did that with Jark, but they announced it.
I'm sure that Gaia would do so as well if they chose to fire one of their original developers.

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What in the hell were you thinking with the PM box? It was ******** fine the way it was before and the only good thing out of it is that...well, nothing good came out of it. Also, I keep having guilds show and the worst part is that you just chose to ignore it or something.

Off-Topic-I bought the scarf because of an avatar comic I'm in that and it was before I knew Gaia had pulled another bonehead move.
You know, I was thinking about this last night:
All of us know Gaia needs money to survive and that's why they make everything cost money. But a lot of us, including me, don't have money that we can just throw around buying things like FAKE/VIRTUAL ITEMS that have no worth in life. Most of the users are too young to have jobs to pay for things or have a job but need to save it for school/payments/etc. There's no appeal in buying a virtual item.

Now, if I had money to spare, I'd totally buy some Gaia merchandise, like a note book or those cool hats they have *total hat whore*. Those are actually real items that I can use in real life. If Gaia wants to make money, the should focus on what people really want to BUY. I think a lot of us would rather invest in something we can use rather than something that only has worth on this website.

PS: Wtf did they do to the message center? *facepalm*

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You know, I was thinking about this last night:
All of us know Gaia needs money to survive and that's why they make everything cost money. But a lot of us, including me, don't have money that we can just throw around buying things like FAKE/VIRTUAL ITEMS that have no worth in life. Most of the users are too young to have jobs to pay for things or have a job but need to save it for school/payments/etc. There's no appeal in buying a virtual item.

Now, if I had money to spare, I'd totally buy some Gaia merchandise, like a note book or those cool hats they have *total hat whore*. Those are actually real items that I can use in real life. If Gaia wants to make money, the should focus on what people really want to BUY. I think a lot of us would rather invest in something we can use rather than something that only has worth on this website.

PS: Wtf did they do to the message center? *facepalm*


You have a very good point. I mean once you get bored of gaia and leave this virtual community, you will "lose" all those goods you had been paying for unlike some real t shirts or plushies you get in real.
But i think they are not developping much of these because creating new merchandise means costs and stocks. They would rather focus on coding and designing new virtual items instead which would be easier to set up?

Well i think it will be a good thing for them to put in more efforts on real merchandise though.

(tsss it's annoying, i think that's the reason why pms had been glitchy lately? they have been trying to code this new feature? X.X; but hey for those who doesn't live in the US and those who don't want to communicate their cellphone numbers this easily, it's really really annoying stressed
and the old pms system is much easier navigate as for me ninja )

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I'm very P.O.ed right now...
I feel that Gaia is truly turning into something of pure, social network evil...


I mean, I joined about a year ago...Maybe a little over a year. Anyways, I joined a little over a year ago and Gaia changed RIGHT in front of my very eyes! I saw it go from an almost completely anime-based website, to a Facebook wanna-be! I was actually on Facebook the other night and saw how much the "My Gaia" landing page looked like it! I shook my head in shame... And I am very upset that the Admins probably won't even read ANY of this excellently made petition. Now while I'm not going to boycott Gaia, I REFUSE to contribute with my own money. I hate the zOMG! thing and the "Gaia Cash Shop" can go dig a ditch... stare I had gained all of my items through gold and buying the Monthly Collectibles with cash literally twice. So my avatar is not hypocritical... Also, what's with the Aquariums? What are they going to make us pay for "special" items for that-eventually-too?! It's sooo dumb! Another thing is the signatures being limited even MORE!!!! I have stuff I wanna post!!!!! And all of the changes with the entire site is glitching my About Me. Making it short and me having to re-write and add the images! I HAD SPENT HOURS ON IT!!!!!!!!! I hate it!!!!!! They should make the My Gaia landing page optional between the old and new one. Make the PM center optional between the old and new AND TO TAKE AWAY THE TEXT MESSAGE OPTION! I DO NOT WANT FREAKS TEXT MESSAGING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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I... uterly hate the new PM inbox look. Seriously. It completely threw me for a loop.

Not to mention now it's as white as the forum, and while that's all great and dandy, it gives me a headache. I preferred the original, dammit (or at least what we had after the layout change where the out and sent box were no longer on the page). And the spacing is all funky and weird, and it won't let me delete my messages that I don't want. The spacing now stretches my page longer than it needs to be and I have to scroll down further than I was before just to find one particular message.
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Really. Why is it all about money now? Why do you keep lying to us? You keep screwing us over, acting as though our dedication to this site is useless, so long as you keep getting money from us and sponsors. Is profit all that matters?


I kinda have to agree with NK Here.....I can't afford to be buying all the new cash items, or the MC's or much of anything now....and if you look in the marketplace, a Cash shop item usually is worth about 40k gold.....the cheapest cash shop fish itself is around 50k going all the way up to about 80k. So that really bothers me, and while I realize the marketplace is user run, it starts with the supply. I don't think I'll even do dream avi's, just because I can't keep up with inflation.



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- You promised us that the battle system would be free. But it's not, and it won't be. There will be premium items that make you/the experience better, I can guarantee it. You could buy zOMG boxes that could give you a ticket to be allowed to play earlier. What the hell, Gaia? Seriously? You're seriously that cruel? What about all of the users that have been here since day one and donated entire allowances to you - WILLINGLY - but can't now because they're in college and the economy is dying? They get screwed and have to play later than others just because they can't pay? That's cold. They've waited the longest. They want it the most.


Here is an example of something that I really would have enjoyed playing, however, like most other things, it requires cash that I don't have....The whole amount of time, I don't mind, considering it is new for this site, and it seems like it could take a while....


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Money comes first.
I'm still pissed off about Easter. We could have easily had an Easter event, but couldn't, because too many people were working on the BS, which isn't even finished on time. AGAIN. You didn't have time to even give us a forum event, but you had time to make items that we could pay for via cash. You could have at LEAST put them in a gold shop, Do you realize that almost no one complained about having to pay for MCs? That's because it was acceptable and logical.
And before anyone says it again, the Easter event was pushed back because of Battle.
http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/announcements/upcoming-events-on-gaia-your-feedback-needed/t.39169691/
Just to clarify.


To be honest, if there wasn't going to be an Easter event, you should have said something....because, you do events for pretty much everything else, so it's assumed that you would do it for Easter....and it could have very simply been something like looking For eggs around town, or the site, to get people to interact more.



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- Advertisements and Sponsorships.

- Work harder to get rid of the "illegal" ads. These are the ones over PG-13, the ones that get in the way of posting (the Circuit City ads), the ones with music, and the pop ups. I've seen the process for reporting these ads, and it's something that your average user won't be able to do, or want to do. It's a long, complicated process. Let mods work on them while browsing.

- Now that I understand how sponsorships work, I know that this isn't easy. But let's say you get four different sponsors and can only pick one. Please, please try to pick the one that would be best for your users. HSM 3 was a huge mistake. That's all I can say.
Aim for sponsors featured around anime, video games, and other things that your users express interest in. Check the forums more.


This one I'm starting to get a little upset about.....I just got a PM from a friend, and there was an ad about texting her, using my cell phone. ok, 1) I don't have a cell phone, 2) I don't have money to be spending on texting her, just like I don't have money for here, and 3) I don't like the idea of having ads in my private messages. That is wrong, and annoys the hell out of me


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- Give us a way to put in our Fishing game fish. That's why we wanted aquariums in the first place. You took that idea and twisted it around into something cruel and ugly; a mockery of your users. You took the idea and used it only to make more money for yourselves, and it's nothing less than an insult. At least give us another aquarium - a free aquarium, that we can put our fishing fish in. It can be completely independant of the cash aquarium if it has to be.


Ya....I didn't really pay attention to the whole aquarium idea, because it didn't really affect me, however even I knew that it was proposed that the tank would hold fish from the fishing game. Don't you think it's just a little unfair, to have that idea float around the heads of hopefuls, then have 90% of the fish be cash only? And worse yet...the only way to get fish is through Marketplace, Phin Phang, or Daily chance...Which leaves people like me, relying on luck, just to have a basic tank...



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- No more broken promises. No more lying.

- You lied to us about never changing the gold prices, and yet you did.

- You said you would never interfere with the economy when we asked you to help lower MC prices, but you always mess with the economy. You added a tax; that's messing with the economy. You manipulate the Daily Chance in way that manipulates the Marketplace prices.


The gold price changes I don't mind. It happens in real life, so it might as well happen here. The thing is though, you should be following real life then too, and start increasing the amount of gold we earn. We still get that first post bonus, for threads and what not, and even though I don't post much, I know exactly how much it is. It's 50 gold, and it hasn't changed since I started here over 2 years ago.

The Marketplace should have some sort of control, because at this present time, the one item I want, Inari's beads, costs a minimum of 60k. How is that going to work for me? I can't get that high, and by the time I do, it will cost 120k. I know it will, it's what happened with all the other items I wanted when I first started...So I just quit wanting items, and grabbed would I could.

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- Glitches and Features

- Listen to the users in Site Feedback and the Q&A who are finding major glitches, and then work fast to fix them. Word Bump took entirely too long for to fix and we are still disappointed about that. Just because the features are free does not mean they aren't as important.


I'm citing this, because for a long time, Word Bump was the way I made gold...and when that went down, I really had no way of getting gold, at least, no where near what I had been making previously. And the Unfortunate thing is, I'm still having trouble with it....and Jigsaw as well. So what do I do then? Both of my gold games are out, I have no Gaia Cash, and my dream avi gets farther and farther out of reach. Hell, any items are pretty well out of my reach now...


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- Moderation

- This site is poorly moderated. Considering the fact that you don't even pay your moderators (as all sites don't), we think there should most certainly be more. We need more in the forums, and we need more working on things such as VJ and Towns, working to prevent cybering, scammers, and scripters.


Here is my biggest issue......To start, I can't really even find moderators....(Which may mean, I am blind, but still) If they are our link to you, they should be at the click of a button, not searching the entire site for one tiny little button to get you to a forum moderator......when your problem is scamming in a game.
I remember way back when I had just started, I had a problem to report to a moderator, but unable to find the right one, I messaged a forum moderator. The message I got back was upsetting. The mod just told me he wasn't the right mod to talk to, and that I should talk to the right one. I replied, that I didn't know where to find the right one, and nothing ever came back. Why is it, that the people who are supposed to be dealing with the problems on this site, care only about their department? Isn't that just a little wrong? He didn't even give me a name or link to the right mods, even though I told him I didn't know where to go.
Another question is, I reported someone for asking about where I live, and asking for my postal code. So what is going on with him? I have his name, I have the segment of conversation that has him asking me that, and I even have the code that was given to me as proof that I reported it. So honestly, I would REALLY like to hear about what the hell is going on with that....because to be completely blatant, that guy could very easily be a child *****, using the postal code to track down their house.....so Gaia mods ******** WAKE UP (I know it's against Gaian ToS, but damn, it's kids they are dealing with.....Do your best to protect them)


That is the end of my rant......But Still I really am waiting to hear about the whole Mods thing......
And damnit, In technical terms, you don't give out the number for the phone, but AGAIN, That's TECHNICAL. You just do the work for them, letting Stalkers send a PM and a TEXT message.....Like seriously....You are connecting two people together, while still keeping hidden within technicalities.....You don't give out the number, but you do give out the access....

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I'm very P.O.ed right now...
I feel that Gaia is truly turning into something of pure, social network evil...


I mean, I joined about a year ago...Maybe a little over a year. Anyways, I joined a little over a year ago and Gaia changed RIGHT in front of my very eyes! I saw it go from an almost completely anime-based website, to a Facebook wanna-be! I was actually on Facebook the other night and saw how much the "My Gaia" landing page looked like it! I shook my head in shame... And I am very upset that the Admins probably won't even read ANY of this excellently made petition. Now while I'm not going to boycott Gaia, I REFUSE to contribute with my own money. I hate the zOMG! thing and the "Gaia Cash Shop" can go dig a ditch... stare I had gained all of my items through gold and buying the Monthly Collectibles with cash literally twice. So my avatar is not hypocritical... Also, what's with the Aquariums? What are they going to make us pay for "special" items for that-eventually-too?! It's sooo dumb! Another thing is the signatures being limited even MORE!!!! I have stuff I wanna post!!!!! And all of the changes with the entire site is glitching my About Me. Making it short and me having to re-write and add the images! I HAD SPENT HOURS ON IT!!!!!!!!! I hate it!!!!!! They should make the My Gaia landing page optional between the old and new one. Make the PM center optional between the old and new AND TO TAKE AWAY THE TEXT MESSAGE OPTION! I DO NOT WANT FREAKS TEXT MESSAGING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I am not a mindless drone...


Exactly Twin!!! They have to stop with the new changes! I like the old gaia! The gaia where everything wasn't so face-bookie. I joind at least two years ago and it used to be really fun! I would always want to go on! Now I don't even go to towns anymore. It's so stupid. However I do only have some disagreements with you though. I like the cash shop. It's ok. But does all the other extra changes even have to be necessary?
Yay more negative Feedback for Gaia...

Okay bright sparks...(Kaia9 please shed some light) which one you nimwits suggested that the PM modification was a great idea.

Or...who was it that told you to implement it, next I want their home phone number, and home address. I intend to send negative feed back direct to their home.
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Momoka: But i think they are not developping much of these because creating new merchandise means costs and stocks. They would rather focus on coding and designing new virtual items instead which would be easier to set up?


This is true, and now I've just thought of something else!
I understand that coding doesn't cost as much as stocking and manufacturing, but if there is such a dislike for CS/MC items that users are boycotting and petitioning against them, and there becomes a want for real merchindise, wouldn't it be smart to invest in something that people are actually willing to buy? I myself want to see Gaia thrive, and I'd love to buy something from them but at the same time I don't want to throw my money away on something virtual. And by the looks of this thread there seems to be a good amount of people who feel the same.

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